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Unfulfilled promises by PiS


amiga500 2 | 922
1 Oct 2021 #271
of course the core demographic of PiS voters are the rural elderly.

Yes there is a chance for converting you yet, for the cause of agrarian socialism that PiS have adopted. . If kukiz convinces kaczynski to introduce civil unions then there is some hope for you to turn away from the evils of the total opposition. it is a small chance but possible for PiS to tack towards the center socially before the next election. (at least on that issue)
jon357 67 | 17,551
1 Oct 2021 #272
for the cause of agrarian socialism that PiS have adopted

Or pretended to.

kukiz

Toxic.

opposition

They'll not be in opposition for long...
amiga500 2 | 922
1 Oct 2021 #273
Toxic.

the only rebel in parliament, and not playing the party or ideological games but truly is there to change poland for the better I thought you would appreciate that, but then again you were probably a supporter of militant in liverpool circa 85 so you are all for party and ideological games.

They'll not be in opposition for long...

Weren't you saying that the last election , and the one before that etc ;) kinda like labour supporters in the u.k ;)
jon357 67 | 17,551
1 Oct 2021 #274
the only rebel in parliament, a

A sad admission.

the last election

The one that Duda just scraped through and only because they forced it during covid, before his last support evaporated.

No party stays in office forever.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #275
No party stays in office forever.

2027 is o.k by me. A fair amount of Dobra Zmiana will have been achieved by then. Massive rail infrastructure thanks to CPK just one small example. And enough time for the total opposition to wise up and truly believe in ditching neo-liberalism.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #276
Economy? Ohhhhhh you mean that thing we all count on for jobs and liquidity? Yeah, well we just don't have a lot of time to address inflation right now, we are a little more concerned with lgbtq battles, and foreign owned news outlets.

intellinews.com/ing-inflation-in-poland-continues-unabated-could-near-7-in-december-222424/

Excellent management of the economy. PiS promise of a fruitful future clearly meant no fruit on tables in the future. JK needs to get his brilliant advisers back into a room with a box of crayons and work on the next financial plan.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #277
Don't be silly. Inflation is similar all over Europe, to do with world wide stimulus, and is forecast to fall next year.
OP pawian 179 | 16,332
2 Oct 2021 #278
Inflation is similar all over Europe

So why is it the highest in Poland???
Thank you, PiS.

forecast to fall next year.

BS. It will be even higher.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #279
So why is it the highest in Poland???

by .2 or .3 percentage points, how does that miniscule percentage affect you? Also our economy is growing faster than other countries in europe so it balances out.

BS. It will be even higher.

Post proof of your wild claims. NBP and international organisations are saying it will fall early next year.
cms neuf - | 1,607
2 Oct 2021 #280
How does it balance out ? Wages for people who have a job are not increasing by 5 or 7 percent. Taxes are increasing for the hard working people in order to fund election handouts. The increase in the economy is only because we are not locked on our osiedle any more.

The real inflation is probably higher - certainly for middle class people. Things you need to work are where a squeeze is really felt - petrol, public transport, parking, coffee, clothes. The items the government measures are a farce - a list of consumer items that you have probably never heard of, unless a balecon sandwich is a popular breakfast in Sydney.

It's quite tiresome to have someone in Australia tell us how well we are doing.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #281
How does it balance out ?

It balances out that the .2 .3 higher inflation is offset by the higher growth (including wage growth) , so that makes us no better or worse than other european countries who have a tiny bit lower inflation. learn to read english at least as polish is probably too big a goal.

Taxes are increasing

Taxes are decreasing drastically next year thanks to polish deal and you know it. Stop lying.

It's quite tiresome to

Another whingeing yank.. yawn. If you are not doing well you're taxes will decrease. If you make more than 12k a month then you have nothing to whinge about that you are not doing well. Oh wait did you move to Poland thinking you would have the easy life and live like a king surrounded by cocaine, lambos and escorts?
jon357 67 | 17,551
2 Oct 2021 #282
The real inflation is probably higher - certainly for middle class people

It's shocking. I went to a Polish supermarket yesterday for the first time since March and was a bit shocked, especially at meat prices.

Inflation is coming, in Poland and elsewhere, and it is beyond the ability of the PiSuarzy to deal with.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #283
@amiga500
There is no bank outside of Polish government owned banks that is projecting anything other than more inflation, and economic slow downs. That EU stimulus money better come fast or things will get dark very quickly.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #284
. That EU stimulus money better come fast

Won't that just contribute to the inflation you are so concerned about? lolzo make up your mind

and economic slow downs.

What economic slowdown? . Look put down the straw o.k? You've had too much again.
Sept 2021 Update "FocusEconomics analysts see the economy growing 5.0% in 2021, which is up 0.2 percentage points from last month's estimate, and 5.0% in 2022." Look at the inflation forecast for poland in 2022 here tradingeconomics.com/poland/inflation-cpi
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #285
I'm not saying the inflation forecast will be peachy as that curve in the above link , but the consensus is that inflation will be on a downward trend from early 2022. Please provide proof of your wild claims.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #286
@amiga500
Where is one claim of inflation abating? Please show me one credible claim from a bank maybe? You need to back away from the bong, put down the rainbow skittles, and get a little educated.

With EU money, comes infrastructure funding and the continued funding of jobs. That liquidity keeps people spending, while not actually producing more, which drives prices up. You know, less supply and greater demand. That concept we all learned in grade school. Or maybe you were getting beat up by a bully on the swing set when that class took place.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #287
Please show me one credible claim from a bank maybe? Y

I don't see why tradingeconomics is not credible but here you go.
Dated 21st Sept "Goldman Sachs has raised Poland's 2022 inflation forecast from 3 percent to 3.7 percent," Thats a nice drop of two percent from now so quit your the sky is falling drug induced paranoia ;) .
jon357 67 | 17,551
2 Oct 2021 #288
Where is one claim of inflation abating

For inflation, we are in a very dangerous period indeed.

Yes it's been very low for a few years now, but did people really imagine that would last?
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #289
@amiga500
You really are funny. Inflation is 5.5% right now and rising. I enjoy amateurs who think they know macro economics and want to debate. With the economy doing so well, why is the zloty in the toilet? You know, the strength of growth forcast and all.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #290
@polamkrakov
You said there was no bank outside of government forecasting lower inflation in 2022. Despite being asked for proof you then asked me to provide a credible source to show that inflation is forecast to fall dramatically in 2022. I did that with the Goldman Sachs. Then you ignore that and pivet back to the present inflation and some unrelated zloty issues!. You really should apologise for being so disingenuous! And thank me for teaching you the difference between micro and macro economics in the past. .
jon357 67 | 17,551
2 Oct 2021 #291
zloty in the toilet

At 5.35 to the quid and my salaries in Sterling and Euro, it can stay there for just as long as it wants. I'll even press the handle and flush.

Great for the many thousands of Poles who work in the U.K. not so great for the couple of thousand Brits here who get paid in PLN.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #292
Everyone knows the europe wide inflation is a result of the stimulus to get the global economy out of the coronavirus slump and will fade in 2022. You know its interesting to get a concise summary of the disinformation that is fed into the minds of the gullible by tvn24 daily. You really should charge for this service!
Cargo pants 3 | 1,120
2 Oct 2021 #293
Inflation is 5.5% right now and rising

Thats all,didnt go up yet.I hope it goes up more and stays up at least till 31st Dec.
I can feel it here in the States too,even yesterday we bought spare ribs from a freaking chinese take out was $17,last time we bought was like 11 bucks,I saw there lunch specials were all over 10$,I remember buying it for 5.95(I think was 2/3 years),slice of pizza with a topping was $1.50 now is 3 bucks plus 6.75% sales tax.

Help wanted signs are everywhere,starting 15$ an hr.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
2 Oct 2021 #294
You know, less supply and greater demand.

That liquidity keeps people spending, while not actually producing more,

Solution: another lockdown. When people stay home and don't shop, demand goes down and so do prices. Done. That was easy.
I want Nobel Prize in economics.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #295
@Novichok

Brilliant solution.

@amiga500

You really have no clue.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
2 Oct 2021 #296
Inflation = theft. From the savers. In full daylight. By the government. No different than a masked guy with a flashlight and a drill at midnight.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 949
2 Oct 2021 #297
@Novichok
And when the same people in charge of inflation are also taking tax money away from cities and they in turn have to cut or eliminate services, what is that? A thief with authority to not only steal but to tell the police they don't have enough resources to investigate. Yet, the Robin Hood thief continues to give to the "poor" in order to control them since they outnumber the wealthy or middle class.

Come and suckle from the great tit of momma Poland and JK will make sure there is a ham in every fridge and butter to put on the bread that is now ten times more expensive than it was two years ago.
amiga500 2 | 922
2 Oct 2021 #298
bugger off back to america if you don't like then, as we are going to win the election in 2023, so no point in you sticking around like a bad smell. that is if we take your doom and gloom procrastinations for the last year at face value, from the big companies withdrawing investment , to hospitals being overwhelmed with covid, to the goverment falling, to usa cutting off relations, all your predictions have turned out to be crap and useless. but you will continue with your doom mongering like the old cocaine addict man yelling at clouds .
Novichok 1 | 4,255
2 Oct 2021 #299
And when the same people in charge of inflation

...will lie to you that there are "many causes of inflation". Like workers demanding higher pay - but never the money printing "democratically elected" thieves.

It's amazing how the gullible buy that crap like it was gospel.
jon357 67 | 17,551
2 Oct 2021 #300
we

Australians? If the Freak from Prisoner Cell Block H stood for office, I'd vote for her. Bea, Lizzie, Lurch and Vinegar Tits could be in the cabinet, Crocodile Dundee could be minister of agriculture, Harold Bishop could be minister of prisons (and escape by helicopter) and Mrs Mangel from Neighbours could be the chief censor.

So many economics experts here, all with solutions to inflation. Yet still it comes.


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