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Lenka 3 | 2,198
19 Nov 2020 #631
Except while a fetus, but the concept is the same, isn't it?

That line of argument was already discussed. Come back when you find something new

Btw-there is a separate abortion discussion. This one is more about protests
pawian 175 | 13,542
19 Nov 2020 #632
What's a moderate Catholic? Something like a moderately pregnant woman?

No. A moderate Catholic means a non-fanatic one. E.g., the one who believes that priests who are guilty of pedophilia acts should be held responsible fot their dirty acts instead of being moved away to another parish, like it has been happening here for decades when immoral cases were swept under the carpet. .

Do you get it now?

which I think they will, especially after seeing the damage done to their ratings.

Of course they will, they are not stupid. Otherwise, they won`t get elected into the Parliament. Unless they ally themselves with PiS.
Novichok - | 277
19 Nov 2020 #633
Do you get it now?

No, I don't. There is not a single Catholic out there, who is not part of the management, that is in favor of allowing a child molester to keep at it.

To me, a moderate Catholic is a cafeteria type like Biden and Pelosi who claim to be Catholics and in favor of abortion. That square peg and the round hole will never fit no matter how hard they will push.
pawian 175 | 13,542
19 Nov 2020 #634
There is not a single Catholic out there,

You forgot to begin that sentence with: I believe. So I can tell you that you would be surprised how many there are.

who claim to be Catholics and in favor of abortion.

You can be a Catholic and against the abortion, but support pro choice movements. Do you comprehend such possibility?

is he back ?

Yes, I have a similar feeling of deja vu. Let`s see how it all develops.
Novichok - | 277
19 Nov 2020 #635
You forgot to begin that sentence with: I believe.

I didn't forget anything. If a person is tolerant of child molesters, he is, by the rules of the Church, not a Christian, just the same as a person who does not believe in God. Those concepts are mutually exclusive. Just for fun, next time you are in church, go to the front and say: I am for abortion rights. I would go easy on child-molesting priests. But I am a Christian. And see how it goes.

You can be a Catholic and against the abortion, but support pro choice movements. Do you comprehend such possibility?

No, again. Just as you are against beating up Jews but for pogroms as long as they are done by others.
pawian 175 | 13,542
19 Nov 2020 #636
he is, by the rules of the Church, not a Christian

Yes ,but you are talking about theory while I meant practice. There is a huge gap between those two in the Polish Church. :):):)

Just as you are against beating up Jews

You forgot to add your famous words:you is editorial, of course. hahaha
Welcome back.
mafketis 24 | 8,926
19 Nov 2020 #637
I reckon add 5 percent for Shy PiS

Vote vvhores.... give them 500 zl a month and you've bought their very souls...
Novichok - | 277
19 Nov 2020 #638
You forgot to add your famous words: you is editorial, of course. hahaha

I didn't forget anything. I meant you.
pawian 175 | 13,542
19 Nov 2020 #639
But you as me or you as an impersonal address????
Novichok - | 277
19 Nov 2020 #640
Yes ,but you are talking about theory while I meant practice.

No, again. I meant practice. Christianity is what one does, not what one would like to do, but does not. That would make one a CINO. A fake.
pawian 175 | 13,542
19 Nov 2020 #641
No, again. I meant practice.

Now you are twisting the topic of our little exchange. On purpose or unwittingly? :):)
Novichok - | 277
19 Nov 2020 #642
I am about running out of no's. No, I am twisting nothing. I am claiming that being for abortion in any form and being a Christian cannot be reconciled. It's one or the other. In that sense, I am very much on topic.

Now, I just used up my last no and this is where I stop.
See you around.
pawian 175 | 13,542
20 Nov 2020 #643
In that sense, I am very much on topic.

Not really, coz we were talking about closing an eye to pedophilia cases which I commented on as a huge discrepancy between theory and practice among some Catholics here. Soon you twisted this theory/practice in pedophilia acts into the impossibility to reconcille being a Catholic with an acceptance of abortion.

Do you mean what I know????
mafketis 24 | 8,926
20 Nov 2020 #644
I am claiming that being for abortion in any form and being a Christian cannot be reconciled

Okay, I'll bite... what authority do you have to speak for every Christian denomination? How did you become an authority for determining who is and isn't a Christian?
Lenka 3 | 2,198
20 Nov 2020 #645
This one is quite funny to me:

Police visited a 14 year old because he passed info on Facebook about planned protest, threatened that if he goes there he will be charged as organizer and they passed the info to his school and family court

onet.pl/informacje/onetopole/krapkowice-14-latek-stanie-przed-sadem-za-udostepnienie-wpisu-strajku-kobiet/4hb176b,79cfc278

And it's funny (although in a sad way) that there are people that don't get teenagers that badly
pawian 175 | 13,542
20 Nov 2020 #646
Which would be just like what the NAZIs were doing

Don`t you know that the Stalinist regime also banned abortion altogether, regardless of reasons, in afterwar Poland? So, the question is, why do you want to repeat the methods of the equally brutal regime as Nazis`???
Novichok - | 277
20 Nov 2020 #647
what authority do you have to speak for every Christian denomination?

Easy. By the absence of a statement coming from each of the denominations that abortions are fine. Like wiping your nose when it's running.
mafketis 24 | 8,926
20 Nov 2020 #648
Easy.

In other words, none. By Rich, say hello to the ignore function...
johnny reb 28 | 4,427
20 Nov 2020 #649
Btw-there is a separate abortion discussion. This one is more about protests.

And the real reason for the protest is the hatred for Polish traditions, church, conservatism.
Their female leader even admits it..
Analysis: Women's protest leader admits goal is to bring down gov't.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 506
20 Nov 2020 #650
@johnny reb
Female leader doesn't have the experience to bring down the government. PiS will bring themselves down without her help. lol These guys are clowns. JK now kicking a police officer and injuring him? Too funny.

A man never married, no children, no bank account, doesn't drive and has never served in the military is leading a country. This is like Sadam Hussein dressing up an a five star general outfit and calling himself a war hero! lol
Novichok - | 277
20 Nov 2020 #651
In other words, none. By Rich, say hello to the ignore function...

It's "bye", by the way.
I asked what the protesters wanted to find out if they operate to the same script other movements follow, which is to never stop moving by not revealing the end objective.

The risk of doing it is that when that objective is met, the movement loses its reason to be, donations stop flowing, and the movement's top has to go to work flipping burgers. Plus, incrementalism is the best tactic when dealing with stubborn masses that reject the movement's core demands. So you have to justify it somehow. At least at first. Once the skids are greased and the gates are open, the ride to abortion on demand, for any reason and at any point during pregnancy is easy. "It's my body", after all. Right?
gumishu 11 | 5,493
20 Nov 2020 #652
JK now kicking a police officer and injuring him? Too funny.

it was Czarzasty who pushed a policeman who seriously injured his leg falling down - no media mentions Kaczyński (Czarzasty is the head of Lewica)
johnny reb 28 | 4,427
20 Nov 2020 #653
Female leader doesn't have the experience to bring down the government.

They won't be satisfied until they have a Jewish lesbian president to feminize Poland.
Never underestimate how creative women can get.
You have witnessed that right here on this forum.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,605
20 Nov 2020 #654
They won't be satisfied until they have a Jewish lesbian president to feminize Poland.

Pretty much.... luckily Polish voters see beyond the bullshit and brainwashing attepts.
pawian 175 | 13,542
20 Nov 2020 #655
the ride to abortion on demand, for any reason and at any point during pregnancy is easy.

yes, and it is going to be the law here sooner or later, like in Ireland. The ruling rightards abolished a delicate compromise by making the regulations stricter. They are too stupid to predict they were provoking immense anger. And one day this anger will topple them.

luckily Polish voters see beyond the bullshit and brainwashing attepts.

During last election it was 10 million against 10 million. What will the ratio be in 2023? What do you think?
johnny reb 28 | 4,427
20 Nov 2020 #656
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Novichok - | 277
20 Nov 2020 #657
They are too stupid to predict they were provoking immense anger.

I am all for abortion on demand, for any reason, and at any point during pregnancy as long as the law requires that every person 18 and up is shown a detailed video of how it's done - right before they have a chance to vote in a referendum that would allow it. I remember seeing an open heart surgery on TV, so what's wrong with showing another medical procedure wrapped up in the Constitution and played to the tune of the national anthem. It should be a joyful and a very uplifting experience.
pawian 175 | 13,542
20 Nov 2020 #658
It should be a joyful and a very uplifting experience.

You aren`t a believer which you declared many times here before. Yet, you would like to force women to undergo such horrors as giving birth to a fatally deformed and defected fetus and seeing its death soon afterwards. Why? Do you really hate women so much that you want to punish them in this way????

In another thread you asked me who the women haters are here. Now we can say without doubt: you are one of them. Simple.
Novichok - | 277
20 Nov 2020 #659
Glancing is not enough. Reading slowly is good. If you read my post 657 slowly you would know that I am for abortion without restrictions.
So how am I a women hater?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 506
21 Nov 2020 #660
@gumishu
And yuo focus on the leg issue and nothing else I said about JK. This is exactly how crazy PiS being in power is. Zealots blindly follow.

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