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4th Polish Republic may re-emerge


Harry
5 Jun 2013 #91
PiS will get 39% and will team up with Solidarna Polska (8%) and PSL (10%). PO will get 32%, SLD (13%) and Palikot (5%).

LOL!!! I will very happily bet everything I own against that result.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
5 Jun 2013 #92
In love war and politics one can never say 'never'. Maybe now PiS have only got a several-point lead, but by 2015 Poles may get so fed up with shifty-eyed Donny boy's prevarications and unkept promises, that one cannot even rule out a PiS landslide -- the prospect of going it alone without the need to seek coalition partners. Right now it's still anyone's guess: PiS-led coalition or PiS alone.
Harry
5 Jun 2013 #93
In love war and politics one can never say 'never'.

I guarantee that your predicted result will never happen. No chance. Never. No way.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,126
5 Jun 2013 #94
Not until 2015. PiS will get 39% and will team up with Solidarna Polska (8%) and PSL (10%).

Except Solidarna Polska haven't got a chance of getting such a result. PiS would also have to do something that they've never done, at a time when they cannot get higher than 30% in the opinion polls. The PSL are also highly unlikely to get 10% if PiS get 39%.

Only a PiS-led coalition would be able to form a cabinet.

Let's take your hypothetical scenario of PiS getting 39%. They would still be forced into opposition by the current electoral mathematics (PO, PSL, SLD and RP all voting against them) - therefore guaranteeing another 4 years of opposition.

Kaczyński will not be the PM but Gliński will.

Glinski is a non-starter. He lost the vote of non-confidence, and he would be widely seen as a Kaczynski puppet.

Kaczyński will be voted the lifelong honorary chariman and elder statesman of PiS and will retian a prominent consultative role.

Which is why PiS would never enter a coalition with the elephant in the corner. The other parties know exactly what his game is - and they won't be fooled.

If the forthcoming IV RP is not to your liking, you're free to leave.

Fortunately, we have nothing to worry about - PiS have no chance of getting elected with Kaczynski at the helm.

The real question now should be - who will lead PiS into the next parliamentary election? Will the party really want to keep Kaczynski there if they know that they can only get 30% of the vote yet again?

Polonius, what you completely fail to understand is that disillusioned PO voters are not going to vote PiS - they will vote SLD, PSL or RP. The decline in the polls of PO is mirrored by the rise of those parties - not the rise of PiS.
jkb - | 197
5 Jun 2013 #95
Not until 2015. PiS will get 39% and will team up with Solidarna Polska (8%) and PSL (10%). PO will get 32%, SLD (13%) and Palikot (5%).

SP would get 8%? PSL 10%? Play lotto if you like betting on random generated numbers.

Only a PiS-led coalition would be able to form a cabinet. Kaczyński will not be the PM but Gliński will.

Right. Just like Marcinkiewicz, who was being controlled from the back seat. And what is the point in that?

Kaczyński will be voted the lifelong honorary chariman and elder statesman of PiS and will retian a prominent consultative role.

Our beloved leader Kim-Il-Sung, the eternal president. Sounds familiar.

If the forthcoming IV RP is not to your liking, you're free to leave.

Or to change it. Or prevent it from ever happening. There are so many more promising options than leaving ones homeland for political purposes.

Maybe when the votes are coutned you'll be saying: 'Belgium, my fatherland, here I come!' If you still have a country to go back to because I hear it's disintegrating fast.

I'm more likely to open a beer and enjoy the wacko's seventh failure in a row.
Harry
5 Jun 2013 #96
Polonius3: Not until 2015. PiS will get 39% and will team up with Solidarna Polska (8%) and PSL (10%). PO will get 32%, SLD (13%) and Palikot (5%).

SP would get 8%? PSL 10%? Play lotto if you like betting on random generated numbers.

I like the way that he manages to account for 107% of the vote.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
5 Jun 2013 #97
If the forthcoming IV RP is not to your liking, you're free to leave.

Exactly. That is why I will vote PO again at the next local and European elections :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,126
5 Jun 2013 #98
SP would get 8%? PSL 10%? Play lotto if you like betting on random generated numbers.

What's more, it's assuming that the PSL would risk their parliamentary future for the sake of a coalition with a man known to spy on coalition partners.

Right. Just like Marcinkiewicz, who was being controlled from the back seat. And what is the point in that?

And who was removed as soon as he started threatening to walk an independent path.

Our beloved leader Kim-Il-Sung, the eternal president. Sounds familiar.

Some people might say that this is the only way that PiS can survive as a party.

I'm more likely to open a beer and enjoy the wacko's seventh failure in a row.

I wonder what kind of excuses he'll come up with after this defeat?

It's almost becoming enjoyable to watch them blame the voters for being stupid.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
5 Jun 2013 #99
I forgot to mention there is a 7% margin of error in this particular proecjtion.
jkb - | 197
5 Jun 2013 #100
Yes. Sometimes 100% is 107%, sometimes it's only 93%.
jkb - | 197
6 Jun 2013 #102
Political scum, that's all it is.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
6 Jun 2013 #103
What's there to laugh about? Nothing has changed since then. Except PO has chalked up a few more bloopers and unkept promises.
Harry
6 Jun 2013 #104
What's there to laugh about?

Your predictions being dashed when, merely a few weeks later, the voters of Poland decisively rejected the politics of bitterness & envy and sent Kaczyński crashing to his 14th electoral defeat.

Nothing has changed since then.

Precisely: PiS still have no chance at all of forming the next government.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
6 Jun 2013 #105
Re predictions, let the prophet who has never mispredicted anything cast the first stone.
Ironside 52 | 12,454
6 Jun 2013 #106
Political scum, that's all it is.

yes current regime in power are indeed political scum as are those who willingly knowing all details of their polices are supporting them. \
I exclude from that those who are brainwashed by TV or who do not know better.
Harry
6 Jun 2013 #107
Interesting that to you the majority of Poles are either scum or brainwashed or do not know any better. Sounds rather as if you don't like democracy.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
6 Jun 2013 #108
The democratic pendulum will swing in 2015.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
6 Jun 2013 #109
But before you mentioned the election results in 2014????
Lenka 5 | 3,534
6 Jun 2013 #110
We will see Polonius. We have different views so I hope you're wrong but that's not why I think it's all rubbish- polls are simply there to entertain ppl in my opinion
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
6 Jun 2013 #111
I largely agree. They may provide only a very rough orientation. Different pollsters use different methods, different samplings and phrase their quewstions differently. Which party do you support? may generate different replies than Who would you vote for if the election were held today? Phone queries, written responses and man-in-the-street itterviews also produce varied results.
Lenka 5 | 3,534
6 Jun 2013 #112
I'm on the left side of the barricade. Mostly because of the fact that I want ppl who do not harm others to have the right to live how they want
jkb - | 197
6 Jun 2013 #113
jkb: Political scum, that's all it is.
yes current regime in power are indeed political scum as are those who willingly knowing all details of their polices are supporting them. \
I exclude from that those who are brainwashed by TV or who do not know better.

I was speaking of PiS.
Ironside 52 | 12,454
7 Jun 2013 #114
I was talking about scum.
jkb - | 197
8 Jun 2013 #115
Great! So we're on the same page. Different words, same meanings.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
8 Jun 2013 #116
are brainwashed by TV

Good that finally you recognize tv maybach for what is :)
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
8 Jun 2013 #117
I'm on the left side of the barricade

Some people equate leftism wtih lewizna (shady schemes), dwie lewe ręce (two left hands), lewy interes (underhanded buisness) and lewactwo (radical leftists). In English the word sinister (connoting soemthing dark, spooky or threatening) comes from Latin where it means left.
jkb - | 197
8 Jun 2013 #118
Some people equate rightism with Hitler, nazism, totalitarism and prawactwo. Your arguments are invalid.
OP Polonius3 993 | 12,357
10 Jun 2013 #119
So such term as prawactwo. But the rightist root is found insuch words as prawy, prawo, prawowity, and prawda -- all the things the lefist scumballs lack!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,126
10 Jun 2013 #120
But Polonius, why are you so against the left when they provided you with employment for many years?

I think comparing your posts with Lenka tells us all we need to know about your newfound ideology.


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