Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference'

news/world-europe-16466522
guardian/world/2012/jan/09/polish-prosecutor-shoots-himself-conference

Another life lost? How many more in this senseless waste.

And what are the chances of MediaWatch claiming that the man in question was actually assassinated by a Russian hitman?

Fortunately not.

there is a surprising amount of suicide deaths around the Smoleńsk catastrophe - many among military personnel - of which the mainstream media are rather shy to report

Commenting on the thread without having read the articles linked to in the OP as well as including a pissy remark about another forum member.... Way to go Harry!

Definatly not a Russian hit man....

For sure its a Polish job...the guy missed....and is still alive....

We shouldn't read too much into this. They guy obviously has big mental problems.

So what's the story, was he being bullied by someone?, heard something about his car and house been damaged. Does he know some mad sh1t about the crash,maybe he knows it was Lech kaczynski that caused the crash or something..or is just depressed with a touch of bi-polar.

Unlikely.


Nothing that isn't already known.


We all know that. It is a matter of public record.

So what's the story?

See it here: tvn24.pl/-1,1730766,0,1,dziennikarze-wychodza--slychac-przeladowanie-broni-pada-strzal,wiadomosc.html

Well! will make him famous, for what ever the reason.

thank goodness for know it all british detectives on PF. we can know close this thread.

/sarcasm

Sorry, but he's actually an American pretending to be Irish - in other words, one of your own.


I'm not surprised. Given that Smolensk exposed a culture of sloppiness, half-heartedness and general incompetence - I'm not surprised that military guys saw suicide as a realistic option.


Mods?


Not much to say. He's been caught indulging in illegal activities (which, for a military man, means his career is over) and obviously was making some sort of statement with this little attention-seeking stunt. He'll now be retired on medical grounds, and will no doubt join PiS later.

and who am i pretending to be?

Now thats a tall comment Mr D... do you know something we don't...to me its another sign of corruption and as always the mighty dollar lurking in the background...

No need for such elaborate theories - we already know (and it was exposed) that there was a horrible culture of sloppiness within the air force prior to Smolensk. You'll find plenty online about how they were always taking risks, how they weren't trained properly and so on - and now that more and more is getting discovered, many top guys simply will be looking for a way out.

Suicide (in their minds) might very well be better than being sacked in disgrace.

[quote=delphiandomine]Suicide (in their minds) might very well be better than being sacked in disgrace.
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He should have come out and told the truth, he would then become a national hero..

Personally, I'd have loved it if he admitted that the military was in a shocking state and that they should disband the lot and start again (except with the possible exception of the special forces). Wouldn't have been popular among the military, but this would've gained fans from all over the political spectrum.

The state of the 36th (and swift demise) was disgraceful.

D when you see the video and hear his introduction its a pretty poor reflection of what is truth, to me he was saying that he was loyal to the military and wasn't going to say anything bad...Polish people would prefer to know the truth..I suppose being loyal is the price you pay when you have higher rank in the military.

I can see how life of military prosecutor in Poland could turn to pure hell.
and then:


LOL..

it's not flyers that took their lives

as for curious suicides - the one of Lepper is a pretty curious one - the autopsy: 3 days after the death - spinal cord not broken - the guy supposedly was hanging 30 minutes before he died - he took his pills in the morning

that would not break your neck

Andrzej Lepper did not go to the trouble of erecting a gallows and scaffold ensuring that he would break his neck when the trapdoor opened. Instead he went for the DIY death by hanging - crushing his windpipe and blood choking himself to death - groovy

within the officer ranks there has always been a bit of a 'pass me the service revolver, I am going out into the corridor' mentality

I believe he missed though. Back on the range for him when he comes out of hospital

the thing is if he was standing on a chair and kicked it away it would break his neck - it curiously didn't - he didn't even move when hanging (as you would expect of someone suffocating)

assuming Andrzej Lepper was 89 kg it would have taken a 165 cm drop to break his neck

any less of a drop, he would have strangled himself taking 30 minutes to die, too long a drop and his head would have been torn off leaving

a lot of additional work for the cleaners

google the table of drops, fun reading

I hardly feel that Janusz Maksymiuk's private opinion is particularly valuable.
he is trying to salvage his own political career so he is hardly going to be sharing any revelations
Nothing in the article talks about broken necks

the laws of physics dictate that it is unlikely that you will break your neck by kicking away a chair
as the drop is not sufficient to allow your body to accelerate sufficiently to get a clean break

don't go trying this at home now, just to prove me wrong :-)

it says something more interesting - Maksymiuk says there are no traces of Lepper fighting on the rope - and you would expect someone suffocating on the rope to be fighting

I read that however Lepper could have fainted the moment he felt the rope tighten

I am not a pathologist. Then again neither is Maksymiuk and one thing is for sure a drop from a chair is not going to break your neck. It could do it I suppose if you weighed more than 300 kgs but then the chair would break, or you would not be able to climb on it, or you would bring the ceiling down with you, rope would break etc

what a fun thread this is turning out to be

I think 120 is enough to break your neck when falling off a chair with a rope on your neck - one thing about those tables is - they are made to be sure that the neck breaks (its the spianal cord not the neck that breaks actually) - as people are different it is made so everyone's neck breaks (I don't think even 5 per cent error is not acceptable) so I think for the most population it is far less than 165cm lenght of rope for 90kg weight necessary to break your neck - I don't know if a 30 cm fall from a chair can break a neck of a 90kg man though (some sources I have just read on the internet say it can)