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Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference'


Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
10 Jan 2012 #31
Suicide (in their minds) might very well be better than being sacked in disgrace.

none of those scenarios really dictate suicided as a viable option imo. Surely sloppiness and poor training are things that can be corrected. Those just don't seem to be reason enough for a guy to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger, even if he did survive it.

I read that however Lepper could have fainted the moment he felt the rope tighten

it takes but a few seconds for restricted blood flow to render someone unconscious.
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #32
Maksymiuk says there are no traces of Lepper fighting on the rope - and you would expect someone suffocating on the rope to be fighting

You would certainly expect somebody who didn't want to be hung to fight.

Mods?

He does seem to have learned unfortunately little from his latest suspension, which means that another one is certain to not be far away.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #33
have you ever heard of 'rape pill' ???
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #34
Have you ever heard of 'autopsy'?
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #35
have you ever heard that some chemicals cannot be verified by autopsy especially when it is done late - you must have heard of the Pavulon cases in Poland
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #36
have you ever heard that some chemicals cannot be verified by autopsy especially when it is done late

When was Lepper's done? And could you name some of such chemicals?
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #37
Lepper's autopsy was done 3 days after the body was found allegedly
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #38
a) Source.
b) The names of the chemicals you refer to.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #39
kampanianazywo.pl/relacja/slynny-prawnik-sekcja-zwlok-leppera-o-wiele-za-pozno-wideo/
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #40
a) Sorry, I meant a reliable source.
b) The names of the chemicals you refer to.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
10 Jan 2012 #41
Comrade wildrover its so typical of you Russians to make snide jokes about Polish people even in life or death/serious situations like this. This isn't the first time you've made these kind of back handed snide remarks about Polish people. But GOD FORBID somebody makes similar remarks about your RuSSia. Then you flip out.

I was just replying to the statement that said it was probably a Russian hit man....

Since when has any Russian hit man faliled to kill the target after shooting them in the head at close range....?

For your information , i have many friends in the Polish air force , who i respect and admire , and thats probably why i have no respect for the people at the top who put my friends lives at risk by sloppy training methods...

And.... you can say what you like about Russia....if its true i will probably agree with you....
hythorn 3 | 580
10 Jan 2012 #42
it takes but a few seconds for restricted blood flow to render someone unconscious.

indeed it does. blood chokes take about three seconds tops and holding your breath doesn't do a damn thing
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #43
An excerpt - Przeprowadzona w poniedziałek sekcja zwłok nie wykazała śladów udziału osób trzecich

Lepper died on Friday the 5th - and as the article says the autopsy was made on Monday the 8th - enough?

even this Pavulon thing is difficult to check in the autopsy - I don't know about other substances but I wouldn't be surprised there are substances that are not really looked after in poisoning tests but have certain psychoneurological activity
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #44
Lepper died on Friday the 5th - and as the article says the autopsy was made on Monday the 8th - enough?

Cool. Although one would presume that that is entirely normal (as the people involved almost certainly don't work weekend, it's not as if their customers are going anywhere).

even this Pavulon thing is difficult to check in the autopsy - I don't know about other substances

But it does leave traces and it also leaves injection marks: there were none.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #45
Cool. Although one would presume that that is entirely normal (as the people involved almost certainly don't work weekend, it's not as if their customers are going anywhere).

I am no expert to any extent - but I wouldn't be surprised some chemicals cannot be really tested after 3 days after the death

then again the 'rape pill' is administered orally (in drinks for example) - but I have no idea if it is easy to test for it in an autopsy or if it quickly degrades

also Harry - read this article through - it shows that the common 'date rapa pill' the GHB can be difficult to determine in a post mortem because it is normally produced in human body and can accumulate in blood after death so as to render it impossible to state if the accumulation is natural or caused by application before the death

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-hydroxybutyrate
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
10 Jan 2012 #46
can be difficult to determine in a post mortem

Which is not only very off-topic, considering the guy shot himself but didn't die, but also very far from there being any serious or even half-credible suggestion that the person you are talking about instead died by anything other than his own hand.
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #47
it shows that the common 'date rapa pill' the GHB

Have you got any idea how much GHB is needed to knock a person out? At least 6 grams: that's on big pill! And as a sodium salt, it has a very salty taste, so forget about slipping it into a drink.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #48
GHB tends to cause rapid unconsciousness at doses above 3500 mg - from the wikipedia article

and if someone wants to simulate suicide a lower dose can surely be used that can act a bit slower if you make the victim take it (say under gun-point)

btw its only sodium salt that is this salty and GHB can be made as a potassium, calcium or magnesium salt

btw some other substance may have been used and not the GHB that is also not easily tested or determined or for different reasons not really targeted in blood sample testing performed post mortem
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #49
GHB tends to cause rapid unconsciousness at doses above 3500 mg - from the wikipedia article

Even if Wikipedia had it right, that is still a massive pill.

And even if Leper had been forced to take it, it would still be detectable. No matter how cunning the Russian hitmen were.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #50
Harry, the thing is there are also other (and multiple) question marks around the alleged suicide of Andrzej Lepper - including the stoppage of the TV picture in his office a good half an hour after the time of his death interpolated by the cororners
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #51
Harry, the thing is there are also other (and multiple) question marks around the alleged suicide of Andrzej Lepper

Well, if it was not suicide and do you ever find out who did do him in, please let me know: that's a man I need to buy a beer.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #52
you have a really nasty sense of humour Harry :P
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
10 Jan 2012 #53
He does seem to have learned unfortunately little from his latest suspension, which means that another one is certain to not be far away.

You should be suspended for trying to ridicule Mediawatch when he hadn't even commented on the thread yet. Do you think it is OK to behave in such a manner because you suppossedly 'help' people on this forum? Well it isn't OK. You need to behave yourself. You've obviously leaned nothing from your myriad suspensions. Are you gonna cry to the mods now because I dare to mention the fact that you have been suspended numerous times? You''ve already mentioned that I was suspended. Do you think it is OK for you to mention suspension, but not me? If so then you are a hypocrite.
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #54
you have a really nasty sense of humour Harry :P

This time I'm not joking: I really would buy that man a beer (Lepper was a disgrace to this country).

You don't really think that there is any conspiracy at work in the Przybyl case, do you?

You should be suspended for trying to ridicule Mediawatch when he hadn't even commented on the thread yet.

Could you please try to discuss the topic of this thread rather than making a personal attack against another poster.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #55
You don't really think that there is any conspiracy at work in the Przybyl case, do you?

there seems to be, sadly - from the words of Przybył himself - it looks like there is as good as some mafia which deals with Polish army property and Przybył could have done things against it interests
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
10 Jan 2012 #56
I engaged in no personal attack. I merely commented on the remarks you made in your posts upon this thread.
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #57
there seems to be, sadly - from the words of Przybył himself - it looks like there is as good as some mafia which deals with Polish army property and Przybył could have done things against it interests

Got any links to sources about that, either English or Polish language is fine. Thanks in advance if you can help.

I engaged in no personal attack. I merely commented on the remarks you made in your posts upon this thread.

a) Calling somebody a hypocrite is a personal attack.
b) Your post contained not the slightest remark connected to the topic of this thread and appeared to solely want to take the thread off-topic.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jan 2012 #58
gumishu:there seems to be, sadly - from the words of Przybył himself - it looks like there is as good as some mafia which deals with Polish army property and Przybył could have done things against it interests

this one is a bit vague but read it through anyway:

Colonel came a day after a suicide attempt revealed that previously were attempts to assassinate him. The prosecutor's office says they have not received reports associated with life threatening Nicholas arrived . Conducted two investigations related to the Colonel . Come .

One concerned the theft of his bike , second concerned unscrew caps from the wheels of his car - said spokeswoman District Prosecutor's Office in Poznan Magdalena Mazur- Prus .

Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
10 Jan 2012 #59
a) Calling somebody a hypocrite is a personal attack.

I called no one a hypocrite. I made a conditional statement:

Do you think it is OK for you to mention suspension, but not me? If so then you are a hypocrite.

You should read what is written more closely and you should also read the articles linked to in the OP before commenting on a thread.

Another life lost? How many more in this senseless waste.

As for this thread's sad topic. I don't think posters should be impugning the prosecutor's instruction in marksmanship. People are not trained to fire guns when they are pointing them at themselves.
Harry
10 Jan 2012 #60
this one is a bit vague but read it through anyway

Unless I'm reading it wrong, it's about his hubcaps being loosened and his bicycle stolen. Not exactly waking up with a horse's head in one's bed territory, is it?

I called no one a hypocrite. I made a conditional statement:

One which was in no way, shape or form connected to the topic of this thread. Instead one which was solely designed to try and draw a reaction, i.e. what is often referred to as 'flaming'.


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