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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Spike31 3 | 1,638
23 Feb 2020 #241
Poor guys are really shocked and at a loss.

What loss? The elections are ahead and if that's their only "strategy" they'll loose a big time.

I see you are really down

I'm not sad but disgusted. Those are two distinctive feelings

How about taking a rest from politics and focusing on your job

My work time is flexible. They're paying me for effects not for my physical presence, heh
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
23 Feb 2020 #242
I'm disgusted. Those are two distinctive feelings

Yes, but if you are already disgusted though the campaign has just started, you will get really depressed sooner or later. In May you will be a total wreck of a man. Mentally and physically. I wanted to save you from it. We can`t afford to lose such contributive members from the PF.
Spike31 3 | 1,638
23 Feb 2020 #243
@pawian, I think one day I'll have to show you how to do patronizing right
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
23 Feb 2020 #244
The only comment could be 'I have no idea what happened at the time so I cannot judge')

Check this out - a report by the bitten man with photos:
obiektywna.pl/Milanowek/interweniujacy-mieszkaniec-pogryziony-przez-wsciekla-kobiete

@pawian, I think one day I'll have to show you how to do patronizing right

Have to? Beside disgust, do you also feel some pressure is exerted on you??? :):) The situation is dire, I am afraid. Think about taking a little break from politics. Switch off all political threads in the PF, focus on food, drink, holidays, travel etc.
Lenka 3 | 1,978
23 Feb 2020 #245
at least you listen to both sides, Lenka

It's easier when you do not support either side :) Besides my views are so far from PiS that I do not have to distinguish myself from them with such things. PO and PiS have the problem that they more or less share core beliefs. PSL too of course but they have the advantage of never actually being in position of power plus the benefit of being outside of that PO-PiS duel

In 1999 she said:Important positions like President should be held by males

I never said she's smart. And such comment won't hurt them too much in PiS voters eyes and the undecided probably won't notice. All in all while a proof that PiS attracts certain type of people I don't think it will do much.

The elections are ahead and if that's their only "strategy" they'll loose a big time.

Let's make few things clear: all this is not PO but Gazeta Wyborcza stories. While GW might be on the side of PO it still is not the party's or campaign body. Supporters like Pawian may well take pleasure in it, after all their oponent just showed what stupid people they have around.

a report by the bitten man with photos:

And? It's still a possibility she was defending herself... I doubt it but it's an option. I'm surprised anyone would care enough about 'voting silence' to get into 'szarpanina' over it.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
23 Feb 2020 #246
Tomorrow PiS will have to defend her anew.

This is the critical thing. The more that these stories dominate, the harder it is to actually promote Duda. The logical thing - get rid of her and replace her with someone more acceptable - is unthinkable for PiS.

They don't even have any tactics to win.

It's amazing how much you repeat the exact mantras repeated by PiS supporters online. The current tactics are working - Duda is falling in the polls, and he's going from one PR disaster to another. His latest stupid comments about inflation aren't helping those who see that he's travelling around in convoys while they're struggling with higher rents and food prices, especially younger voters.

Meanwhile, where's Bosak? It's almost like a fun meme at this point.
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
24 Feb 2020 #247
The logical thing - get rid of her and replace her with someone more acceptable - is unthinkable for PiS.

Quite thinkable should be as she wasn`t all PiS` nominee, but only part of it - Gowin`s. The rest of PiS were surprised with that choice. And predicted her epic fails.

Meanwhile, where's Bosak? It's almost like a fun meme at this point.

Hmm, probably he doesn`t have enough funds and doesn`t know how to run his campaign. Especially in the media. State PiS controlled media boycot him as a competition to Duda.
Spike31 3 | 1,638
24 Feb 2020 #248
It's amazing how much you repeat the exact mantras

It is not a "mantra" but a clearly visible pattern. All you have to do is to be less staunchly and more observant to see it. Obviously, I don't have any interest in correcting that but I also know that they will never learn anyway, so...

Anyway, the elections are 2.5 months ahead so soon we will see whether their "strategy" worked

Supporters like Pawian may well take pleasure in it

I would rather take a plasure in winning than taunting political opponents while losing :-)

Beside disgust, do you also feel some pressure is exerted on you??? :):) The situation is dire, I am afraid

@pawian, you are a retired teacher yet you behave more childishly than my teenage cousin brother.
Torq 32 | 2,999
24 Feb 2020 #249


:)

Yes, yes, I know - he has to get to the second round first; but if that happens, it's "bye, bye, Mr Duda".
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
24 Feb 2020 #250
I would rather take a plasure in winning than taunting political opponents while losing :-)

No, you got it wrong - first taunting, then winning. :)

yet you behave more childishly than my teenage cousin brother.

Didn`t you know that most elderly people become more and more infantile with age? Forgot the Polish saying about it? hahaha
Spike31 3 | 1,638
24 Feb 2020 #251
Yes, yes, I know - he has to get to the second round first

Without the support of the whole "total" block before the first round of elections he doesn't stand much chance to get to the second ballot.

The only thing which is certain so far is that Duda is going to the second round. Out of the rest of candidates, Kidawa-Blonska has the best chance to get there. And she would be the most convienent opponent for Duda.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 Feb 2020 #252
Another day, more stupidity from Duda. This time, he was ranting about a local power plant providing jobs for locals. The problem is that the power plant in question closed two years ago.

I suspect part of his success five years ago was that he wasn't under such scrutiny. Now, every word is being analysed, and opposition candidates are hammering him within hours for these stupid mistakes.

And remember, it's not only Kidawa-Błońska he has to worry about. He's got several other candidates that are also hammering him, and at least one of them is capable of making inroads into unhappy rural communities where religion isn't such an important factor.
cms neuf - | 1,593
24 Feb 2020 #253
that poll looks hell of a close one Torq. I think Duda is going to struggle in a debate against either KB or KK and either would be an improvement on him. KK at least is fresh and certainly cant be worse than Duda (or Komorowski, or Lech K for that matter).

What I am afraid of is a very close 2nd round - 51/49. I know that those fine margins split the country so much, end up in court and won't allow us to move on. PiS and PO have been fortunate with a long boom and haven't interfered too much with the economy - that is now at an end and PiS are spending and borrowing too much at a time when a downturn is coming. 10 years ago voters remembered communism and the hard early 90s and were more patient.
Crow 139 | 8,621
24 Feb 2020 #254
The one who is supported by Lewandowski (ie Polonia) will win elections. Its because projects of Polonia goes hand in hand with interests of Polish patriots.

Did Duda done its maximum to satisfy Polonia and patriots within Poland? Did he?
cms neuf - | 1,593
24 Feb 2020 #255
Corey or Robert ?

Duda has done the maximum to satisfy the real boss :) other than that I am struggling to think of a true achievement.
Crow 139 | 8,621
24 Feb 2020 #256
Corey or Robert ?

Brat Corey lead projects.

Duda has done the maximum to satisfy the real boss :) other than that I am struggling to think of a true achievement.

Duda is too close to Germany. He sat Poland in strategic situation where Poland was at a time of German annexation of Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia and when Poland itself was involved by annexing borderland region known as Zaolzie.

To soften his close relations to Germany and to confuse Polish patriots (and world public), Duda buys USA armament and pays high price for USA gas. He also softened his stance on Serbs (because effectively taking part in partition of Serbia), under pressure of Visegrad Group and Polish patriots- allowed to Serbia to import heavy armament from Russia. In turn he tried to seduce Serbian president Vucic to himself buys USA gas but Serbian president refused saying //citation//: ``I can`t do that Duda. How can I explain to citizens that I pay 3 billion US dollars for USA gas, when I now pays 1,5 billion US dollars for Russian gas.``

So, what to tell you. Duda just pretend to be pro-USA and Polish people pays that. In reality, Duda works closely with Germany, German satellites and deep state of Vatican. I mean, that we see by his actions behind the public scene.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 Feb 2020 #257
Latest polls carried out by ISPOS, who have the most accurate polls.

Duda 48% vs Kidawa-Błońska 46%
Duda 47% vs WKK 45%
Duda 47% vs Hołowina 45%
Duda 51% vs Biedroń 41%

It's clear that Duda doesn't have any considerable advantage. It might well be that this campaign will hinge not on him, but on PiS themselves.
Crow 139 | 8,621
24 Feb 2020 #258
If polls are so close to Duda now, it will only move more against him how campaign develop.

I can`t trust to Duda. Never know what is trickery and what is real Duda.
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
24 Feb 2020 #259
Real Duda is a clown and puppet.



delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 Feb 2020 #260
It's certainly a very weak start to his campaign, and this campaign chief of his is being ridiculed constantly online.
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
24 Feb 2020 #261
Yes, some of those comments are so funny. hahaha I admire people`s ingenuity in creating quick mocking remarks, I lack such skills.

Examples: Gryzelda (Bitilda). She is strong in the mouth - mocna w gębie (loudmouthed). The crucial question is - was she vaccinated? After Jacek Kurski, we have another PiS bullterrier. Female vampire! Let her have a mouth on her for the enemies of PiS. How about biting off Lichocka`s middle finger? How about borrowing a face mask from Hannibal Lecter? Grizzly, President`s bear. Rodent. Betty showed claws, Lichocka showed a finger, Jola - show your teeth! No wonder they gave her this job - she knows how to sharpen her teeth. She had to bite the man coz her dog was reluctant to do it. My biting lawyer makes it to the fence in 3 seconds - and you??

and many other but hard to translate as too idiomatic.

My own one - PiS have a zgryz with the lady. :):)

How about some memes?


  • Go and bite that guy with a banner!

  • Share a bite!

  • I will bite off each hand raised against Mr President!


Spike31 3 | 1,638
25 Feb 2020 #262
I think Duda is going to struggle in a debate against either KB or KK and either would be an improvement on him

We either discuss the real political situation in Poland or creating our own reality in which Kidawa-Blonska is an eloquent orator and Kosiniak-Kamysz posses a great charisma.

I think this thread became more of a self-help support group before the elections. Does anyone here truly believes that A. Duda is not going to win the upcoming presidential elections?
OP pawian 170 | 11,396
25 Feb 2020 #263
Does anyone here truly believes that A. Duda is not going to win the upcoming presidential elections?

hahaha Did anybody really believe that Komorowski wasn`t going to win the 2015 elections???
Spike31 3 | 1,638
25 Feb 2020 #264
Latest polls carried out by ISPOS

Those polls intended for public opinion - as opposed to polls ordered by political parties for their personal use - mostly spread propaganda. They are not intended to coomunicate a reliable information but to convince the voters to think, and vote, in a certain way.

The results vary depending on who orders the poll and in which agency.

Yet, since you trust IPSOS, take into account this information. Voters were asked the question: "which candidate run the best campaign"?

A. Duda: 43%

The rest of candidates [combined]: ~25% with Kosianiak-Kamysz leading the group with 7.2%

That's a knockout.

infogram.com/sondaz-ibris-dla-onetu-022020-1h0r6r5wz8mw4ek

wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/wybory-prezydenckie-2020-sondaz-duda-z-najlepsza-kampania/debysxd
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Feb 2020 #265
It's interesting to see how Spike gets more and more worried as the bad news continues to come in. I mean, he's spent more time defending Duda than actually talking about Bosak.

How strange.
Lenka 3 | 1,978
25 Feb 2020 #266
Kidawa-Blonska is an eloquent orator and Kosiniak-Kamysz posses a great charisma.

Neither.
But Duda is no better. It's not like they are standing against some great statesman .

Does anyone here truly believes that A. Duda is not going to win the upcoming presidential elections?

His lead is not that big so who knows? He might win he may not. The fact is he is in harder situation as he has to defend his position.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Feb 2020 #267
His lead is not that big so who knows?

He needs 40% in the first round, and he's polling at 41-42%. Nowhere near enough, and Kidawa-Błońska is chipping away at him by correctly questioning Duda based on people's fears.
Torq 32 | 2,999
25 Feb 2020 #268
Does anyone here truly believes that A. Duda is not going to win the upcoming presidential elections?

First Lichocka's finger, then the scary Gryzelda; meanwhile all this mess with Banaś, and Duda talking nonsense about inflation. If you think all this won't lose a lot of votes, then you are wrong.

A lot can happen until May, but unless Duda changes something drastically about his campaign, he's going to lose shamefully.
Crow 139 | 8,621
25 Feb 2020 #269
Otpor to Duda! Resistance to weakling who didn`t do enough!

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delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Feb 2020 #270
If you think all this won't lose a lot of votes, then you are wrong.

Latest mess: Gryzelda seemingly gave a speech at a PiS internal meeting this weekend and ranted about herself rather than Duda. She was subjected to a "Andrzej Duda" chant as a result, so this doesn't bode well for his campaign.

Meanwhile, TVP are now aggressively trying to collect TV licence money. The right wingers have also made it clear that they don't support Duda, so it's one bad thing after another for him.


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