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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Lenka 3 | 1,750
23 Feb 2020 #211
Grzegorz Braun is a fearsome opponent

Hey, that is not fair, I didn't know you are a comedian...;)

Duda has chosen a female lawyer for his campaign chief. Now it turned out she is a nasty biter

I didn't report on that because I didn't make my mind up. I'm not sure I trust either side. She however added comical element to it by talking about her 'little son' (15 at the time) and asking Kidawa-Blońska to condemn Gazeta Wyborcza (what she has to do with it? The only comment could be 'I have no idea what happened at the time so I cannot judge')
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #212
@Lenka @pawian

My memory span is long enough to remember that just a few years ago mainstream media have "predicted" that the National Movement and Conservative Libertarians will never achieve political power in Poland. And when they formed a new political party they said that Konfederacja will collapse very quickly. They didn't. Then they said that they will never enter a Polish Parliament. They did... :-)
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #213
mainstream media have "predicted" that

Then go to mainstream media and make them eat their words. We aren`t mainstream media yet so what`s the problem. hahaha

Then they said that they will never enter a Polish Parliament. They did... :-)

Yes. but it still doesn`t make a "fearsome opponent" out of Braun. :)

I'm not sure I trust either side.

Certainly she isn`t the one to be trusted coz it is clear she is manipulating facts. E.g, she claims she only went for a walk (at 2 a.m. on a cold winter night) with her little child (15 year old youth - in police report described as a young man). hahaha
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
23 Feb 2020 #214
Yes. but it still doesn`t make a "fearsome opponent" out of Braun. :)

He's not fearsome in the slightest. It always amazes me how nationalists think that a small amount of success makes them "fearsome", but then they cry because TVP ignores them.

She however added comical element

She's making a fool out of herself already, it's quite amazing.

I don't remenber Szydło doing anything like this in 2015, and you really have to wonder why Kaczyński is putting these incompetent fools in charge over a tried and tested campaign chief.
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #215
@pawian, G. Braun is one of the leaders of Konfederacja. I remember Macierewicz's desperate appeal to G.Braun (and S.Michalkiewicz) to stop talking about Just 447 and to stop creating alternative on the right side of a political scene in Poland.

I also remember a disbelief in media when he received 12% of votes in 2019 elections in a left-leaning Gdansk as an outsider who started a low-budget campaign just a few weeks before the elections.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
23 Feb 2020 #216
12% of votes in 2019 elections in a left-leaning Gdansk

In a two horse race.

If you can't get more than 12% of the vote against a left-leaning candidate when you're the only other candidate, it means you're a joke and the voters know it.
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #217
That`s true. 12% counts in parliamentary elections but it doesn`t in municipal or presidential.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
23 Feb 2020 #218
You're having a laugh...

No, you are. You are not in a position to mock. Mr Polish Catholic patriot. Voting post-communists because they tuned their slogans slightly. That is their thing that do it every time, surfing in politicks for decades know as a 'sway in the wind' party. That is a big fat joke. So just save your BS.

It is a mystery to me.

So PiS got some dog to bite all those PO trolls. Good for them I guess lol!
The upside of this story is that cannot get rabies from her as they are already full of it.

nationalists think that a small amount of success makes them "fearsome",

Oh what a drama queen you are. What nationalists? You mean Spike? So what?
PO or other trash supporters including you are going blue in the face yapping about some bite or some middle finger. Is that circus and you are clowns? Yet, I let you be without having a emotional meltdown. Take your meds Delph.
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #219
@pawian, it later on translated into 7% of votes and 11 MEPs for Konfederacja in a parliamentary elections. Those who attracted those voters were JKM, G.Braun, Bosak and Winnicki.
Torq 28 | 2,759
23 Feb 2020 #220
You are not in a position to mock.

I will mock everyone who calls my country a "Russian-German Condominium Under Jewish Trusteeship", and that's what Braun has called Poland on numerous occasions. He is now a member of parliament of this "Jewish Trusteeship" - what shame for him! A parliamentarian of Russian-German condominium? One would think he wouldn't lower himself to such an embarassing position. *rolls eyes*

post-communists

I already told you - you have to stop seeing communists behind every corner. WKK is no more a communist than you are.
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #221
Grzegorz Braun is a fearsome opponent who pushed PiS on many levels and has forced Kaczynski to publicly explain himself about "Just 447".

How about sth new? And really important? PiS Prime Minister supported increasing carbon border tax for European countries. It will cost Poland billions. It happened on 6 February. Where has Konfederacja been since then? Enjoying the honeymoon???

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/carbon-border-tax-in-europe-gets-backing-from-polish-premier

The upside of this story is that cannot get rabies from her as they are already full of it.

No, they will never match PiS in that. They are too decent for that.
Lenka 3 | 1,750
23 Feb 2020 #222
Yet, I let you be without having a emotional meltdown

Oh my, now we are all scared...:)
Try and see who cares.

later on translated into 7% of votes and 11 MEPs for Konfederacja in a parliamentary elections

And yet left got twice that...
I wouldn't celebrate just yet Spike. Big plus for Konfederacja at the moment is of course that they will get their subsidy soon and that should allow the party to pay it's way for a bit. If it won't be able to substantially increase their support than I doubt they ever will.

It happened on 6 February. Where has Konfederacja been since then? Enjoying the honeymoon???

To be fair Bosak criticized it but the problem is he is invisible.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
23 Feb 2020 #223
I will mock everyone

Call this or that what does it matter? As I said voting an obvious post-communist and an opportunist put you in a position you can't do it i.e. mocking other. As you are the biggest joke here. that is all your doing.

seeing communists

Torq post-communists and communist are not one and the same thing. Geez you don't 4ven know that.
WKK is a dick who is nothing and nobody. His position ha been handed to him by his daddy and his cronies cause they needed a young dude who can articulate himself properly and look nice in the picture. He false as they came, it is oozing from him.

Beside that party has nothing to offer but slogans and platitudes - that all is a sham.
I mean you can vote on Biedron or a bidet for what I care but don't you dare to came here and insulting my intelligence telling me that WWK is an obvious choice of Young Catholic parotic Poles. My foot it is!!! That just BS straight up!

It is a choice for watered down Polish people with too much PRL influence left in them.
Torq 28 | 2,759
23 Feb 2020 #224


What? Nobody (almost) wants to eat dinner with Krzysztof Bosak? That's scandalous. I mean, one could have an interesting dinner table conversation even with a person without higher education. People are some prejudiced *rolls eyes*.
mafketis 23 | 7,875
23 Feb 2020 #225
voting an obvious post-communist

Why are you so against post-communism (by definition something after communism)?

The Polish usage is farked because of imprecise terminology (by JK?), no need to let his fumble tongue confuse English usage.

Communism = bad

Post-communism, ie. what comes after communism, not necessarily bad.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
23 Feb 2020 #226
They are too decent for that.

lol! wow that actually was funny.

Oh my, now we are all scared...:)

I know. Only someone who is already scared would react the way you did to what I have said.
Torq 28 | 2,759
23 Feb 2020 #227
obvious choice of Young Catholic parotic Poles

Not an obvious choice but the only choice! PiS are national-socialists (and, as a Pole, I have allergy to national-socialists), PO are a spineless party of power devoid of any values, as a Catholic I reject all the leftist parties, and about Konfederacja I can only quote Lermontov: "byłaby eta smieszna kagda nie byłaby eta straszna".

PSL is the only thing that's left to vote for - a commonsensical, centrist party. Not ideal, but in comparison to all the others... acceptable.
Lenka 3 | 1,750
23 Feb 2020 #228
What? Nobody (almost) wants to eat dinner with Krzysztof Bosak?

That is funny but even funnier is that PSL seem to think they have to cut out the winner (and his much bigger number) to make it look more impressive for their candidate

Only someone who is already scared would react the way you did

Oh yes, I'm shaking so much I can't hold my phone :D On second hand it might be the laughter
Ironside 49 | 10,106
23 Feb 2020 #229
Water down this...

I see you are much closer to PiS than you let it on lol!

Says a Plastic Pole, on a Polish forum. :)

tsk tsk for you to go that low I must have hit the spot.

Konfederacja

It is good enough to be given a choice. PSL is a know quality and is shite.

Post-communism, ie.

i.e. continuation in some or other form of malpractices from the times of the Soviets' occupation of Poland.

Oh yes,

Somehow I'm not convinced maybe you should convince yourself first?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
23 Feb 2020 #230
Where has Konfederacja been since then?

Nowhere to be found. Konfederacja are really just individuals with their own agendas, hence why Bosak is invisible as he simply doesn't have the support of others.
mafketis 23 | 7,875
23 Feb 2020 #231
i.e. continuation in some or other form of malpractices from the times of the Soviets' occupation of Poland.

That's not what it means in English... use it in Polish if it makes you feel better but it does not mean that in English.... or the name of this journal would make no sense...

tandfonline.com/toc/cpce20/currentout

Find some other expression in English for your slavish repititions of Jarek's party line - post-communist / post-communism already has a different meaning.
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #232
If it won't be able to substantially increase their support than I doubt they ever will.

It will increase since they've proved that they are effective politicians. In the past many voters have voted for lesser evil because they feared they would "waste" their vote voting for a small party without a big chance of getting into parliament. Konfederacja have disarmed this fear.
gumishu 11 | 5,142
23 Feb 2020 #233
I'm not sure I trust either side.

at least you listen to both sides, Lenka
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #234
Lenka and gumi, did you hear latest reports on the woman? In 1999 she said:Important positions like President should be held by males.

polityczek.pl/uncategorised/12502-najwazniejsze-funkcje-w-panstwie-powinni-pelnic-mezczyzni-mowila-szefowa-kampanii-dudy

Tomorrow PiS will have to defend her anew. There will be no time to promote Duda. How funny.... :):)
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #235
In 1999 she said:Important positions like President should be held by males.

@pawian, this kind of rhetoric is pathetic...

In 1998, diner time, I said: "mom, I don't like those pork chops". I should be labeled as an ungrateful son for the rest of my life...

That's the level of discussion represented by a "total opposition". Duda doesn't have to do nothing to win. All he needs to do is to wait and to monitor the situation.
cms neuf - | 1,325
23 Feb 2020 #236
Yes it would be almost as crazy as cutting the pension of done traffic cop or border guard because they happened to start work 30 years ago in Communist times
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #237
this kind of rhetoric is pathetic...

No, it is just funny. As I said.

In 1998, diner time, I said: "mom, I don't like those pork chops". I should be labeled as ungrateful son for rest of my life...

Yes, they would dig it up and use it against you if you were running for President. But as you aren`t, it doesn`t matter, indeed.

That's the level of discussion represented by a "total opposition".

No, it is PiS` and rightist style. The opposition has only learnt to use the same weapon at last. ha!

Duda doesn't have to do nothing to win. All he needs to do is to wait and to monitor the situation.

I earnestly hope he will follow your advice. hahaha

Yes it would be almost as crazy

Welcome to the world of politics. :) Is it different in the USA? As far as I know, it isn`t. :)
Spike31 2 | 1,270
23 Feb 2020 #238
@nah, it's not even funny, it's pathetic.It only shows the level of competence of those so called "elites"

They don't have any strategy. They don't even have any tactics to win. They're just throwing a cr*p in hope that some of it may stick to their opponents...

I know that I should be content with the state of centre-left side in Poland but it's still sad to witness this pathetic spectacle.

I earnestly hope he will follow your advice

They say that hope is the mother of fools.
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #239
They're just throwing a cr*p in hope that some of it may stick to their opponents...

That`s what PiS has always been doing. Who sows wind etc etc. I just think it is funny how they are crying desperately when treated with the same measure. Poor guys are really shocked and at a loss.

They say that hope is the mother of fools.

hahaha Yes, and let`s not forget it also applies to Duda`s hopes for re-election. :)

it's still sad to witness this pathetic spectacle.

I see you are really down. How about taking a rest from politics and focusing on your job? You would be more relaxed.
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #240
They're just throwing a cr*p in hope that some of it may stick to their opponents...

If you don`t remember coz you are too young:
During 2005 presidential campaign PiS reminded Poles that Tusk had a Wehrmacht grandpa. And Tusk lost. Did PiS apologise? No, they were happy.


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