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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Lenka 3 | 1,750
21 Feb 2020 #181
I'm a leftie but it's hard to support the candidate when he starts brown nosing miners with how badly they were treated and how he would put embargo on Russian coal...
Torq 28 | 2,759
21 Feb 2020 #182
No surprise here. Solid candidate with solid support, and hopefully our future president. Poland deserves a president like WKK: patriotic, educated, and commonsensical.
Lenka 3 | 1,750
21 Feb 2020 #183
However the polls don't look that good...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/wybory-prezydenckie-2020-kto-zwyciezy-w-wyborach-prezydenckich-sondaz/4prfwcm

We will see. He does have potential but it doesn't mean he's there yet
Spike31 2 | 1,270
21 Feb 2020 #184
Btw Spike- what are you making of Bosak's non existence at the moment?

It would be lack of substantial funds to run a large scale campaign and a soft ban on Konfederacja in public media.

Konfederacja will get as little air time on public media as it is legally possible. K.Bosak is very difficult debate partner because he is always well prepared and not possible to unnerve him in discussion. He is also the only full-blooded conservative standing on the right side from PiS.

Yet again, you're repeating what PiS are trying to claim

I'm not repeating after someone but making my own judgement based on a state of a collective Polish soul :-). This is something you probably would not understand. Just put a trust in my judgement based on my past predictions of 2019 Parliamentary elections, rise of Konfederacja and Independence March in 2018...

This is exactly my point: Duda only had to beat Komorowski. Now he has to deal with Kidawa-Błońska

Kidawa-Blonska is a Komorowski in skirt. Same level of competence and political judgement. She only looks better on photos. She is the most convenient political opponent for Duda in the second ballot.

If Kosiniak-Kamysz wins among the rural middle classes

Kosianiak-Kamysz would stand a chance against Duda if he had a support from PO and Leftists. But right now PO would not let PSL to rise as a political competition. And Lewica promotes a man whose main "political quality" is being homosexual...
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
21 Feb 2020 #185
Kidawa-Błońska is loudly demanding that Duda vetoes the TVP bill, and it seems like signing the bill now will be his death warrant.

I read about another option - he will send it to PiS controlled Constitutional Tribunal where they will put it in the freezer until after elections.

But holding up a banner saying that Duda is a fool lies within the standard democratic actions.

Exactly. PiS is like Kali - when he steals a cow, it is OK. When a cow is stolen from him, it is a scandal. A few years ago, with Komorowski in power, PiS vehemently demanded the law about presidential insult to be abolished.

Now he's apparently been saying "yes, prices are going up, but it's only temporary".

Probably some maniacal lovers of PiS might even believe it. Let`s hope these morons will be a vast minority.

I cannot make sense of what Duda is actually doing in this campaign.

2015 was completely different. Then, he could promise anything - he was expected to lose anyway. Now, new promises are scarce for a few reasons. That is why he feels lost. He seems to be crying in despair: What can I tell people? What shall I promise this year? hahaha

Kidawa-Blonska is a Komorowski in skirt. Same level of competence and political judgement.

Duda has more competence and better political judgment? Yes, he is good at skiing. hahaha

But right now PO would not let PSL to rise as a political competition.

Of course, if KK gets to the second stage, he wiil get all needed support. Don`t worry about it.
mafketis 23 | 7,875
21 Feb 2020 #186
Exactly. PiS is like Kali

I've said that same thing here so many times and often enough people had no idea what I was talking about....

But yeah, they're classic bullies.... they can dish it out but can't take it (and whine like little b|tches when someone pushes back against their underhanded tactics.
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
21 Feb 2020 #187
and whine like little b|tches when someone pushes back against their underhanded tactics.

That`s typical of rightists, I am afraid.
mafketis 23 | 7,875
21 Feb 2020 #188
IME it's pretty well distributed across the political spectrum.... in Poland at this minute it's most strongly correlated with PiS but in the US at present it's a bit stronger on the left...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
21 Feb 2020 #189
K.Bosak is very difficult debate partner because he is always well prepared

In the same way that you claimed he was educated, yet it turned out that he'd failed multiple degrees? He's an intellectual lightweight when compared to the other candidates.

Same level of competence and political judgement.

Yet her campaign is landing blow after blow with no real effective counter from PiS.

I read about another option - he will send it to PiS controlled Constitutional Tribunal where they will put it in the freezer.

Seems to be the most likely situation, but then again, he needs that money for his campaign.

Those Kantar polls don't look good for him - 40% in the first round won't be enough. It also occurred to me that both Hołowina and Kosianiak-Kamysz will hurt him in any debate, and Bosak's only chance of avoiding certain humiliation will be a strong debate performance where he'll need to attack Duda.

In all of this, you have to wonder what Banaś will do.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
22 Feb 2020 #190
patriotic,

patriotic my foot.

e's an intellectual lightweight when compared to the other candidates.

You think? Have you seen any of his debates?

If Kosiniak-Kamysz wins among the rural middle classes, Duda is in serious trouble.

Dude the only way KK can be threat to Duda is by running against in the second round. He won't cause most of his potential electorate will be engaged elsewhere.

Kidawa is strong because of PO's support - that can carry her only so far.
Biedron has no chance.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
22 Feb 2020 #191
You think? Have you seen any of his debates?

He doesn't even have higher education.
Torq 28 | 2,759
22 Feb 2020 #192
It is rather problematic for me as well.

If we require that even a mid-level civil servant has higher education (not to mention the top-level: directors of museums, directors of departments in ministries, secretaries of state etc.), then why not demand the same thing from the person holding the highest office in the country?
Spike31 2 | 1,270
22 Feb 2020 #193
Of course, if KK gets to the second stage, he wiil get all needed support. Don`t worry about it.

Catch 22. He will not get to a second stage without a support before 1st stage. So I think the second ballot will be between A.Duda and Kidawa "promter" Blonska

In the same way that you claimed he was educated

He is an educated man without a formal degree.

Have you seen any of his debates?

I think @delphiandomine prefer a "first-hand" Onet opinions ;-)
cms neuf - | 1,325
22 Feb 2020 #194
Why does it matter if he has a formal degree ? This is a democracy so if enough people vote for him then that is enough of a qualification. The nomination process provides a second check that total idiots are not putting themselves forward for presidency.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
22 Feb 2020 #195
He is an educated man without a formal degree.

How many degrees did he fail?

He's uneducated, it's as simple as that.
Lenka 3 | 1,750
22 Feb 2020 #196
He is an educated man without a formal degree.

Ultimately he has a high school diploma. He might be smart but educated is a stretch. Not finishing even one of his courses says something if not about his intelligence than about his character.

It would be lack of substantial funds to run a large scale campaign

That ultimately takes him out of the race then...A candidate with such tiny support has no chance without making a big presence.

soft ban on Konfederacja in public media.

Would matter if I followed it. I don't. So that is not the factor. The thing is all the other candidates are reported to do stuff (scandals, signatures etc.) Bosak nothing since the wedding. If it carries on people won't even know he's running let alone vote for him.
Spike31 2 | 1,270
22 Feb 2020 #197
That ultimately takes him out of the race then

He will take a part in a race and gather much needed support in the process. He is one of the faces of Konfederacja and the media exposure during the elections will later benefit his political party.

The main goal is to normalize right-wing spectrum of a political scene in Poland. Many people still hold some outdated views of a Polish Nationalism and Conservatism. K.Bosak is a young, modern and eloquent face of a National Movement.
cms neuf - | 1,325
22 Feb 2020 #198
It will never be normalized because they have no position on things people care about like health education and building roads.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
22 Feb 2020 #199
He doesn't even have higher education.

He doesn't have a diploma. Can't you tell a difference. Anyway in the world that any haft-wit has one it doesn't say anything about a person.

have no position on things

Aren't you an entrepreneur? They have position on them and taxes. You should check it out.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,909
22 Feb 2020 #200
Anyway in the world that any haft-wit has one

So you're saying that Bosak is less than a half-wit?

I mean, I agree.
Ironside 49 | 10,106
22 Feb 2020 #201
So you're saying that Bosak is less than a half-wit?

IF want to take it this way there is nothing I could do to persuade you. Watch few of his debates on youtube maybe.
Lenka 3 | 1,750
22 Feb 2020 #202
Anyway in the world that any haft-wit has one it doesn't say anything about a person.

And what does it say that he tried 4 times and never finished? Again, even if we forget intelligence it reflects badly on his character. Especially since he is not a free spirit art person but theoretically a conservative candidate for a president.

the media exposure during the elections will later benefit his political party.

Well, my whole point was that he is invisible at the moment.
Of course it may change but judging by the situation right now people will forget he is even a candidate.

Btw, just read that Konfederacja wasn't granted a loan for the campaign. Of course explained as the hostility towards the party. Anyway, they are still talking to some smaller banks and count on some donations.

Meanwhile Kosiniak-Kamysz is talking about 1000+ for students now...Smells of populism....
cms neuf - | 1,325
22 Feb 2020 #203
IS post some link to their economic / business policies and I will check them out ! Couldn't find much except they want to abolish income tax !
Spike31 2 | 1,270
22 Feb 2020 #204
Meanwhile Kosiniak-Kamysz is talking about 1000+ for students now...Smells of populism....

They are desperate. No one will beat PiS in populism :-) And they are also not reliable to Polish voters on this field. So far they are dancing to PiS music

I have to give that to Kaczynski that he is a few levels above POKO-SLD-PSL "political elites". At least Tusk was a some kind of political opponent. Budka, Kidawa and the rest of them are just a pitiful muppets...
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
22 Feb 2020 #205
I have to give that to Kaczynski that he is a few levels above POKO-SLD-PSL "political elites".

You forgot to add Konfederacja to the list. ::)
Spike31 2 | 1,270
22 Feb 2020 #206
No, I didn't. Grzegorz Braun is a fearsome opponent who pushed PiS on many levels and has forced Kaczynski to publicly explain himself about "Just 447". He has also forced PiS to change their political decisions and to remove SLD chairman from the parliamentary commision d/s social politics. Just a single G.Braun counts for 10 MEPs
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #207
I have to give that to Kaczynski that he is a few levels above POKO-SLD-PSL "political elites".

Braun`s only merit is that he is a rightist more radical than PiS. Kaczyński is worried of losing radical voters who might vote for Konfederacja instead of PiS. That`s all. It doesn`t mean that Braun is such a powerful politician - to Kaczyński, he is still a muppet. :):)
Torq 28 | 2,759
23 Feb 2020 #208
Grzegorz Braun is a fearsome opponent

Braun? Mr "Russian-German Condominium Under Jewish Trusteeship"? You're having a laugh...

Is he still a monarchist? If Konfederacja wins (God forbid!) any future election, whom are they going to crown as Polish king? Is it going to be Grzegorz I Złotousty or Krzysztof Akademik Pierwszy (also known as Bosy)?
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #209
Funny development: Duda has chosen a female lawyer for his campaign chief. Now it turned out she is a nasty biter - a few years ago she bit a man who caught her red-handed at night. The bite was so acute he almost fainted! And it wasn`t a neck bite!

polandin.com/46781170/presidential-elections-campaign-with-some-bite

szostkiewicz.blog.polityka.pl/2020/02/22/przepraszam-czy-tu-gryza/
OP pawian 168 | 11,174
23 Feb 2020 #210
Why do PiS always have to dig up and put in charge such controvercial people? It is a mystery to me.

The bite was so acute he almost fainted!

The infamous hickey from PiS bite:





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