Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates

@Lenka @pawian

My memory span is long enough to remember that just a few years ago mainstream media have "predicted" that the National Movement and Conservative Libertarians will never achieve political power in Poland. And when they formed a new political party they said that Konfederacja will collapse very quickly. They didn't. Then they said that they will never enter a Polish Parliament. They did... :-)

Then go to mainstream media and make them eat their words. We aren`t mainstream media yet so what`s the problem. hahaha


Yes. but it still doesn`t make a "fearsome opponent" out of Braun. :)


Certainly she isn`t the one to be trusted coz it is clear she is manipulating facts. E.g, she claims she only went for a walk (at 2 a.m. on a cold winter night) with her little child (15 year old youth - in police report described as a young man). hahaha

He's not fearsome in the slightest. It always amazes me how nationalists think that a small amount of success makes them "fearsome", but then they cry because TVP ignores them.


She's making a fool out of herself already, it's quite amazing.

I don't remenber Szydło doing anything like this in 2015, and you really have to wonder why Kaczyński is putting these incompetent fools in charge over a tried and tested campaign chief.

@pawian, G. Braun is one of the leaders of Konfederacja. I remember Macierewicz's desperate appeal to G.Braun (and S.Michalkiewicz) to stop talking about Just 447 and to stop creating alternative on the right side of a political scene in Poland.

I also remember a disbelief in media when he received 12% of votes in 2019 elections in a left-leaning Gdansk as an outsider who started a low-budget campaign just a few weeks before the elections.

In a two horse race.

If you can't get more than 12% of the vote against a left-leaning candidate when you're the only other candidate, it means you're a joke and the voters know it.

That`s true. 12% counts in parliamentary elections but it doesn`t in municipal or presidential.

No, you are. You are not in a position to mock. Mr Polish Catholic patriot. Voting post-communists because they tuned their slogans slightly. That is their thing that do it every time, surfing in politicks for decades know as a 'sway in the wind' party. That is a big fat joke. So just save your BS.


So PiS got some dog to bite all those PO trolls. Good for them I guess lol!
The upside of this story is that cannot get rabies from her as they are already full of it.


Oh what a drama queen you are. What nationalists? You mean Spike? So what?
PO or other trash supporters including you are going blue in the face yapping about some bite or some middle finger. Is that circus and you are clowns? Yet, I let you be without having a emotional meltdown. Take your meds Delph.

@pawian, it later on translated into 7% of votes and 11 MEPs for Konfederacja in a parliamentary elections. Those who attracted those voters were JKM, G.Braun, Bosak and Winnicki.

I will mock everyone who calls my country a "Russian-German Condominium Under Jewish Trusteeship", and that's what Braun has called Poland on numerous occasions. He is now a member of parliament of this "Jewish Trusteeship" - what shame for him! A parliamentarian of Russian-German condominium? One would think he wouldn't lower himself to such an embarassing position. *rolls eyes*


I already told you - you have to stop seeing communists behind every corner. WKK is no more a communist than you are.

How about sth new? And really important? PiS Prime Minister supported increasing carbon border tax for European countries. It will cost Poland billions. It happened on 6 February. Where has Konfederacja been since then? Enjoying the honeymoon???

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/carbon-border-tax-in-europe-gets-backing-from-polish-premier


No, they will never match PiS in that. They are too decent for that.

Oh my, now we are all scared...:)
Try and see who cares.


And yet left got twice that...
I wouldn't celebrate just yet Spike. Big plus for Konfederacja at the moment is of course that they will get their subsidy soon and that should allow the party to pay it's way for a bit. If it won't be able to substantially increase their support than I doubt they ever will.


To be fair Bosak criticized it but the problem is he is invisible.

Call this or that what does it matter? As I said voting an obvious post-communist and an opportunist put you in a position you can't do it i.e. mocking other. As you are the biggest joke here. that is all your doing.


Torq post-communists and communist are not one and the same thing. Geez you don't 4ven know that.
WKK is a dick who is nothing and nobody. His position ha been handed to him by his daddy and his cronies cause they needed a young dude who can articulate himself properly and look nice in the picture. He false as they came, it is oozing from him.

Beside that party has nothing to offer but slogans and platitudes - that all is a sham.
I mean you can vote on Biedron or a bidet for what I care but don't you dare to came here and insulting my intelligence telling me that WWK is an obvious choice of Young Catholic parotic Poles. My foot it is!!! That just BS straight up!

It is a choice for watered down Polish people with too much PRL influence left in them.

What? Nobody (almost) wants to eat dinner with Krzysztof Bosak? That's scandalous. I mean, one could have an interesting dinner table conversation even with a person without higher education. People are some prejudiced *rolls eyes*.

Why are you so against post-communism (by definition something after communism)?

The Polish usage is farked because of imprecise terminology (by JK?), no need to let his fumble tongue confuse English usage.

Communism = bad

Post-communism, ie. what comes after communism, not necessarily bad.

lol! wow that actually was funny.


I know. Only someone who is already scared would react the way you did to what I have said.

Not an obvious choice but the only choice! PiS are national-socialists (and, as a Pole, I have allergy to national-socialists), PO are a spineless party of power devoid of any values, as a Catholic I reject all the leftist parties, and about Konfederacja I can only quote Lermontov: "byłaby eta smieszna kagda nie byłaby eta straszna".

PSL is the only thing that's left to vote for - a commonsensical, centrist party. Not ideal, but in comparison to all the others... acceptable.

That is funny but even funnier is that PSL seem to think they have to cut out the winner (and his much bigger number) to make it look more impressive for their candidate


Oh yes, I'm shaking so much I can't hold my phone :D On second hand it might be the laughter

I see you are much closer to PiS than you let it on lol!


tsk tsk for you to go that low I must have hit the spot.


It is good enough to be given a choice. PSL is a know quality and is shite.


i.e. continuation in some or other form of malpractices from the times of the Soviets' occupation of Poland.


Somehow I'm not convinced maybe you should convince yourself first?

Nowhere to be found. Konfederacja are really just individuals with their own agendas, hence why Bosak is invisible as he simply doesn't have the support of others.

That's not what it means in English... use it in Polish if it makes you feel better but it does not mean that in English.... or the name of this journal would make no sense...

tandfonline.com/toc/cpce20/currentout

Find some other expression in English for your slavish repititions of Jarek's party line - post-communist / post-communism already has a different meaning.

It will increase since they've proved that they are effective politicians. In the past many voters have voted for lesser evil because they feared they would "waste" their vote voting for a small party without a big chance of getting into parliament. Konfederacja have disarmed this fear.

at least you listen to both sides, Lenka

Lenka and gumi, did you hear latest reports on the woman? In 1999 she said:Important positions like President should be held by males.

polityczek.pl/uncategorised/12502-najwazniejsze-funkcje-w-panstwie-powinni-pelnic-mezczyzni-mowila-szefowa-kampanii-dudy

Tomorrow PiS will have to defend her anew. There will be no time to promote Duda. How funny.... :):)

@pawian, this kind of rhetoric is pathetic...

In 1998, diner time, I said: "mom, I don't like those pork chops". I should be labeled as an ungrateful son for the rest of my life...

That's the level of discussion represented by a "total opposition". Duda doesn't have to do nothing to win. All he needs to do is to wait and to monitor the situation.

Yes it would be almost as crazy as cutting the pension of done traffic cop or border guard because they happened to start work 30 years ago in Communist times

No, it is just funny. As I said.


Yes, they would dig it up and use it against you if you were running for President. But as you aren`t, it doesn`t matter, indeed.


No, it is PiS` and rightist style. The opposition has only learnt to use the same weapon at last. ha!


I earnestly hope he will follow your advice. hahaha


Welcome to the world of politics. :) Is it different in the USA? As far as I know, it isn`t. :)

@nah, it's not even funny, it's pathetic.It only shows the level of competence of those so called "elites"

They don't have any strategy. They don't even have any tactics to win. They're just throwing a cr*p in hope that some of it may stick to their opponents...

I know that I should be content with the state of centre-left side in Poland but it's still sad to witness this pathetic spectacle.


They say that hope is the mother of fools.

That`s what PiS has always been doing. Who sows wind etc etc. I just think it is funny how they are crying desperately when treated with the same measure. Poor guys are really shocked and at a loss.


hahaha Yes, and let`s not forget it also applies to Duda`s hopes for re-election. :)


I see you are really down. How about taking a rest from politics and focusing on your job? You would be more relaxed.

If you don`t remember coz you are too young:
During 2005 presidential campaign PiS reminded Poles that Tusk had a Wehrmacht grandpa. And Tusk lost. Did PiS apologise? No, they were happy.

What loss? The elections are ahead and if that's their only "strategy" they'll loose a big time.


I'm not sad but disgusted. Those are two distinctive feelings


My work time is flexible. They're paying me for effects not for my physical presence, heh