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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
26 Jun 2020 #1,591
My vote in 1st round goes to Witkowski.

Who the hell is Witkowski. Maybe I miss something ...?
Lenka 3 | 2,577
26 Jun 2020 #1,592
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldemar_Witkowski

Quite an interesting persona. The left should really endorse him rather than Biedroń. He gets brownie point for helping sport club Posnania
amiga500 2 | 223
26 Jun 2020 #1,593
Well you are certainly living up to your nick Ziem :) Seriously If you don't have this basic information , why you post missives about Polish politics and esp voters? this boggles the mind.

@delph got your article. yep. agree will post some commentary and academic articles about nocna zmiana and the transition later as i don't think that will break any electoral rules :)
amiga500 2 | 223
26 Jun 2020 #1,594
last gasp propaganda ;) I need the 20 Grosze from ul. nowogrodzka :)



Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
26 Jun 2020 #1,595
Well you are certainly living up to your nick Ziem :)

You certainly do not live in Poland and don't "feel" the reality here, so I am happy to forgive you calling me Ziemodimwit :-).

If you asked one hundred people in whatever street of whatever town in Poland who Robert Biedroń was, you would possibly get 98 positive replies as to who he is. And this will be not because he runs for presidency in the coming election, but because he was the first openly gay mayor of a town in Poland.

But then, if you asked the very same people who Różański or Witkowski was, you would probably end up with one or two positive replies to that question at the maximum.

Witkowski is a such an insignificant candidate for presidency that I didn't even bother to open the Wiki link which Lenka provided.

As for Różański, the name only associates in my mind with some opressor of the Stalinist era, but I doubt it was him whom Delph had in mind. If so, I think that's too far away in time to be relevant for the current presidential election in Poland. Anyway, most people in Poland would not identify such a name in either case.

If you don't have this basic information

Thus, the above presumption of yours is highly inaccurate in reference to the word 'basic'.
Crow 146 | 9,122
26 Jun 2020 #1,596
The clock is ticking. Politicians are probably already out of their own skin due to impatience. Imagine all that money, power and sex at their disposal if they just win. Of course, and responsibility for the rest of us.
amiga500 2 | 223
27 Jun 2020 #1,597
Great album. No matter what we have to say about Churchil betraying us, I think we can agree the brits are a good people and overall have done been a good people for Poland ;) youtube.com/watch?v=xZNTs4_jTiY&list=PL-D-0v1EFhNL0xneTSzotQdd-veyC3wTz&index=1
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,598
Two of my family members just got a message they have to self quarantine so they can't vote tomorrow. I wonder how many others are in similar situation. At least they should be ok for the second round
mafketis 24 | 9,385
27 Jun 2020 #1,599
just got a message they have to self quarantine so they can't vote tomorrow

Is this a legitimate thing or a scam?
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,600
Legit. My sis got a phone call that she came to contact with confirmed case so she and her household have to do quarantine. She should have her results in 10 days (it is kind of funny that the test results take almost as long as the quarantine).

If they got a message yesterday they could still do it but today is too late.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
27 Jun 2020 #1,601
My sis got a phone call that she came to contact with confirmed case

This is all very weird, who called her? Does your sis know who the confirmed case was?

I don't want to pry but I am curious and a tiny bit skeptical because phone shenanigans to keep people from voting having a long history in the US (usually targeted at minorities).

A friend had come into contact with the mother of a suspected case (who had returned to Poland from N Ireland and then got a fever and sore throat and who got tested) but when the negative result came a day or so later the mother contacted my friend...
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,602
who called her?

Sanepid

Does your sis know who the confirmed case was?

Yes. There have been few cases in the company she works for (that's why she got the tests yesterday)
Zlatko
27 Jun 2020 #1,603
I want Doda for president instead of Duda. ;)
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,604
Well, you show poor taste anyway :D
Zlatko
27 Jun 2020 #1,605
Why, she's attractive (if a bit too skanky)? I bet she wouldn't do much worse really.

I really think the cabinets in 2005-2010 and 2010-2015 were better. Any stability and economic prosperity the current government claims is just ongoing from then. I think Poland in like 2013 felt a much better place to be.
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,606
Well, I guess I have a different taste. But more than that her personality seems to be even worse
Zlatko
27 Jun 2020 #1,607
Sorry, I meant the 2007-2015 era governments were better. PO Poland seemed like a much better place (I was reading Polish-language forums back then with Google Translate). PiS is detrimential to Poland.
Lenka 3 | 2,577
27 Jun 2020 #1,608
My comment was about Doda.

As to the government- I guess it depend who you talk to. But I would tend to agree.
Although Poland gets richer and more prosperous steadily for decades so it's hard to judge.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
27 Jun 2020 #1,609
I want Doda for president instead of Duda

Doda would be a very good choice. Well, anyone would be a good choice except Duda. Unfortunately she hasn't submitted her candidacy for the contest :-( .
Zlatko
27 Jun 2020 #1,610
Lenka, I don't understand Polish much so I base my opinion on Doda just based on ber looks (not into celebrity news anyway). What is it about her personality you hate?

Ziemowit, yeah PiS & Duda are the main reason I'm not in a rush to visit Poland.

I used to get much much better vibes a few years ago from Poles. They were more upbeat back then. Now most are pessimistic and look forward to migrating to Western Europe or Scandinavia.

Sure, some say PiS is doing what Orban is doing in Hungary. I disagree, Orban is much better and despite Poland being wealthier, it doesn't look like it much, i.e. the infrastructure of Hungary has surpassed that of Poland. I know it's easier to manage as Hungary is smaller but still.

Only the big shot businessmen in construction of new flats and office buildings have profited under PiS and still, the quality is poor and they invest less in greenery around them.

mafketis, indeed when I was living in Bratislava I visited Balaton. The Hungarian roads were much better than Slovak ones and villages and towns were cleaner and greener. I also have visited the Austrian countryside and in many ways it was more drab than Hungary. Austrian towns had less flower ports and trees and felt too sterile.
Zlatko
28 Jun 2020 #1,611
Just took the who should I vote for test and got:

Władysław Kosiniak - Kamysz 70 %
Krzysztof Bosak 68 %
Duda 0%
Crow 146 | 9,122
28 Jun 2020 #1,612
Tell me the first results. Tell me anything.
Crow 146 | 9,122
28 Jun 2020 #1,613
Well? I am impatient?

Do we have sombody wise in Poland to make business?
Lenka 3 | 2,577
28 Jun 2020 #1,614
Crow, it's 1st round. The result 99% will be that we will get two names that go to the second round. Plus it's illegal for the media to talk about the candidates and for any estimation we have to wait till the voting ends.
amiga500 2 | 223
28 Jun 2020 #1,615
funny how pawian , delph and PolamKrakow have disapeared from the board this weekend, busy manning the PO polling stations i think. good luck comrades! ;)
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
28 Jun 2020 #1,616
It's lovely sunny weather and they are probably enjoying time with their loved ones rather than stuck in a darkened room trolling.

Big turnout in my town by the looks of it
mafketis 24 | 9,385
28 Jun 2020 #1,617
My sense is that a big turnout is not good news for the current status quo....
Lenka 3 | 2,577
28 Jun 2020 #1,618
Well it seems the turn out till 17:00 was almost the same as the whole turn out in the last presidential election
47.89% vs 48.96
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
28 Jun 2020 #1,619
The wp.pl website says the turnout at 17:00 was 47,89% but the turnout at the same hour in 2015 was only 34,41%.

So, a big advance on the previuos presidential election.
Lenka 3 | 2,577
28 Jun 2020 #1,620
This is amazing. Apparently few voting stations are running out of ballot papers!
No matter the result* - I'm crazy happy that more and more people bother to vote.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/lodz/wybory-2020-w-lodzi-zaczyna-brakowac-kart-do-glosowania/83dtr39

*Although I will be even happier if Duda will be defeated :D

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