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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,561
A.Duda has actually signed a nuclear technology deal with the US.

Specifics, Spike, specifics. We could sign the same 'deal' tomorrow with France or Russia, it still doesn't mean anything in the context of a reactor actually being built.
jon357 66 | 17,078
25 Jun 2020 #1,562
it still doesn't mean anything

I wonder if PiS flappers are actually deluded enough to think that such a discussion means anything at all.
amiga500 2 | 228
25 Jun 2020 #1,563
Like you said Pawlova that Trash did not lie twice about retirement age, but corrected himself, his correction was the second lie! I give Delph the benefit of the doubt but you are no doubt PO card carrying official prob the only one in your village. ;) If they knew you would prob be tarred and feathered ;)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,564
I wonder if PiS flappers are actually deluded enough to think that such a discussion means anything at all.

I think a lot of them really have a tenacious (at best) grasp of most things political. They see someone sign a paper and they think that it somehow means an important project, when the devil is really in the details.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,565
but you are no doubt PO card carrying official prob the only one in your village.

Nope! Today I saw sth funny - two neighbours on the opposite sides of the country lane which leads to our house displayed their banners: one with Trzaskowski and the other with Duda. I took a photo but only of one banner coz people were coming out. On Saturday I will take a photo of two together. It looked amusing coz they directly face each other.

If they knew you would prob be tarred and feathered ;)

No, they are civilised people. And they respect teachers. buuhahahaha
Spike31 2 | 2,110
25 Jun 2020 #1,566
t still doesn't mean anything in the context of a reactor actually being built.

It means that the technology provider was chosen and there's no more pointless dispute whether

We could sign the same 'deal' tomorrow with France or Russia

or China
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,567
It means that the technology provider was chosen

Yet American nuclear technology is expensive (look at the way that costs completely spiralled out of control in the US) and not necessarily the best technology available. The South Koreans have developed much cheaper reactors, so shouldn't we be talking to them, as well as others?
Ironside 50 | 10,940
25 Jun 2020 #1,568
LMAO Duda

yawn! Still it is a progress if you compere him to his predecessor in the office.

If they declared a state of emergency,

If you going listen to pawian that coin artist you will end up in the never the land alongside pixies.

Yes, as a Pole,

don't say it, It embarrassing to have any connection with the likes of you. Say you are the EU citizen or a Soviet or whatnot not.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,569
The South Koreans have developed much cheaper reactors, so shouldn't we be talking to them, as well as others?

Exactly, but they didn`t promise to promise us more troops. :)

It embarrassing to have any connection with the likes of you.

That is why you have been living abroad for nearly all your life to avoid the connection with a true Pole. buhahahaha
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,570
I have to say, I have some respect for Trump after this. He totally made Duda and the delegation look like idiots, as he got what he wanted (a chance to push his narrative) while giving almost nothing away.

For what it's worth, the visit appears to have been largely ignored in the US.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,571
He totally made Duda anddelegation look like idiots, as he got what he wanted while giving almost nothing away.

Yes, he behaved like a shrewd businessman (he has never stopped being one) while Duda and PiS are snots in comparison.
jon357 66 | 17,078
25 Jun 2020 #1,572
He totally made Duda and the delegation look like idiots

An easy enough thing to do. Apparently they got a few minutes. I doubt they got to actually say anything after the introductions and Trumpet's spiel..

the visit appears to have been largely ignored in the US.

Many people there can't find their own country on a world map and probably don't know that Poland exists.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,573
I doubt they got to actually say anything after the introductions and Trumpet's spiel..

I'm quite convinced that Maf's theory is right - that Duda was promised a meeting in exchange for shutting up about the LGBT stuff, but the Americans used it as a perfect opportunity to rope the Poles into agreeing to buying vaccines and nuclear technology from them on a preferential basis.

Wouldn't shock me if the Polish delegation knew nothing about it until they turned up.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,574
Marcin Palade has updated his ranges for the 2nd round, and it's not good reading for Duda.

Trzaskowski 49.3% - 51.7% (50.5%)
Duda 48.3% - 50.7% (49.5%)

But, and this is a major but. We still don't know what will happen with the votes to other candidates. If Hołownia and WKK's electorate decide that there's no point voting, Duda could snatch this in the first round.

Also, Daniel Pers has updated his map: datawrapper.dwcdn.net/VFcDX/6/
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,575
We mostly focus on Duda and Trzaskowski. Bosak too. I remember Torq promoted Kosiniak Kamysz.

How about other candidates? Any supporters here?
Hołownia? Biedroń? I think I recall now that one of us mentioned he/she was going to vote for the Left. But I am not going to tell who it was.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,576
How about other candidates? Any supporters here?

Biedroń made a terrible, terrible mistake by attacking Hołownia at the beginning. There was no need for it, and he never really recovered from it. I think that made him pretty much unelectable, even in Lewica's eyes. His attack on Hołownia pretty much ruled him out of any consideration.

Hołownia has impressed me with his energy and commitment to grass roots campaigning, but you could see that he lost his nerve once Trzaskowski appeared. He stumbled, and never really recovered from it, though his "24 hours of Hołownia" was a fantastic piece of political PR. I hope that after this, he doesn't enter politics, but rather concentrates on social issues from outside. He'll be very good at it, I think. Had Hołownia kept his nerve and left Trzaskowski alone, I would have probably voted for him in the 1st round.

Kosiniak-Kamysz has totally lost his way. I think he simply didn't know what to do once Trzaskowski arrived, and he hasn't really put much effort into this campaign. I wouldn't vote for him, but his campaign has been bland and lifeless.
amiga500 2 | 228
25 Jun 2020 #1,577
Lenka, Delph and Jon357 most likely will vote for Biedron in first round. Pawian is PO blue blood.
jon357 66 | 17,078
25 Jun 2020 #1,578
Trzaskowski actually. He's too right-wing, however he's the one who has a credible chance of getting rid of Duda the PiS flapper.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,579
most likely will vote for Biedron in first round.

Nope. Trzaskowski or Hołownia. Won't decide until Sunday for sure, but I'm leaning towards Trzaskowski based on how Hołownia lost his nerve. I like Hołownia's campaign more though, but he needs to do something tomorrow to convince me to switch.

Though it is tempting to vote for Witkowski on the grounds of being honourable and unafraid of tackling questions with straight answers.
amiga500 2 | 228
25 Jun 2020 #1,580
Nope. Trzaskowski or Hołownia.

I was strongly considering voting for Hołownia then found out Tusk is his advisor, and its pretty much the Tusk PO faction behind him.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
25 Jun 2020 #1,581
voting for Hołownia then found out Tusk is his advisor

It's much worse than that. General Rozanski, a Jaruzelski's Golden Fund recipient, is behind him. Rozanski has joined the communist party in the heat of martial law in Poland in 1982. That says a lot about a quality of that man.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,582
That says a lot about a quality of that man.

Ah yes, I wondered how long it would be before you'd give us a chance to remind you how Duda swore a Communist prosecutor into the Constitutional Tribunal.

As for General Rozanski, even Lech Kaczyński decorated him.
amiga500 2 | 228
25 Jun 2020 #1,583
how Duda swore a Communist prosecutor into the Constitutional Tribunal.

Do you know how many times you have used that fact/line on this forum Delph? must be nearing triple figures by now ;) If he has turned traitor to the post-communists and is willing to sweep his former clique from legal power then its grey area allowed.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,584
Do you know how many times you have used that fact/line on this forum Delph?

Just goes to show that there's really no such thing as being anti-Communist in this country ;)

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see full and complete bans on anyone entering public life if they've been in the PZPR, or if their parents/grandparents were in the PZPR/affiliated organisations.
amiga500 2 | 228
25 Jun 2020 #1,585
complete bans on anyone entering public life if they've been in the PZPR

Yes the czechs managed it, but they had the velvet revolution and we had a managed and co-opted transition.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
25 Jun 2020 #1,586
As for General Rozanski, even Lech Kaczyński decorated him.

And that change the facts how exactly? Is being decorated by Kaczynski some sort of ablution which removes all past crimes and wrongdoings? You are starting to speak like some tribal mouthpiece again.

All communist fosils should be removed from Polish politics or, like Piotrowicz, used as a tool to remove the other communist scum. And then disposed from public life.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,587
Yes the czechs managed it,

Kind of, but look how the Communists now prop up the Babis government there.

For me, there should have been a very hard break, but... well, worth remembering that such a solution would have gone down badly among almost all politicians of that time. There's an interesting article here about Porozumienia Centrum and decommunization - wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/historia/aktualnosci/artykuly/530041,andrzej-kostarczyk-dekomunizacja-za-rzadu-olszewskiego.html - and how they simply couldn't do it. Even today, it's the same story - can you think of any political party where full and complete decommunisation would go down well with the members?

Is being decorated by Kaczynski some sort of ablution which removes all past crimes and wrongdoings?

Let's not pretend that anyone actually cares about who was doing what in the PRL. It's all posturing while turning a blind eye to one's own communists.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
26 Jun 2020 #1,588
Lets make one thing clear, Trump did not promise to move the troops from Germany to Poland. That is completely false. The whole troop scale down is a political move to get Germany to stop playing EU games. Now the EU is playing back with talking about banning Americans over china flu. Like EU is saying no to Ukraine being allowed entry, but Poland already opened that border.

Google investing millions into Poland is like Tomasz the grocer buying new shelves for his store. Virtually zero economic impact but it sure looks nice.

If just one party could come up with a pro democracy, pro economic growth and anti EU policy, I think they could sweep the political scene in Poland. But I am dreaming.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
26 Jun 2020 #1,589
As for General Rozanski, even Lech Kaczyński decorated him.

Who the hell is General Różański? I somehow missed it ...

should be removed from Polish politics or, like Piotrowicz, used as a tool to remove the other communist scum

You can't find any non-communists in PiS for removing the communist scam elsewhere, can you? If so, they're all a gang of post-comunists in PiS ...

I think they could sweep the political scene in Poland.

What party would that be?
Lenka 3 | 2,577
26 Jun 2020 #1,590
If just one party could come up with a pro democracy, pro economic growth and anti EU policy,

Good luck with that. Here is a survey about EU. 89% pro. Even 77% of Konfederacja voters are pro EU. Seems like such party wouldn't have a big base:

prawo.pl/prawnicy-sady/poparcie-dla-czlonkostwa-polski-w-ue-wg-cbos-w-marcu-2020-r-89,498696.html

Lenka, Delph and Jon357 most likely will vote for Biedron in first round.

I am a left winger but Biedroń doesn't get my vote. He annoys the hell out of me. I expressed my disappointment in Left choice multiple times. Nothing will beat Ogórek as a candidate but they still messed up.

My vote in 1st round goes to Witkowski. No chance for him but it's the first round. 2nd whoever goes against Duda (well, besides Bosak)

full and complete bans on anyone entering public life if they've been in the PZPR

Seriously? That is so stupid I can't even describe it... How many generations back should we go?

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