Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates

My guess is that he's another Dirk - using a psychologically projected false version of the country to deal with the cognitive dissonance of living where he does....

I mentioned it here
polishforums.com/news/presidential-elections-opinions-campaign-85472/48/#msg1743216

Duda is called Pen coz he signs all laws from PiS` parliament. Trzaskowski`s surname reminds of trzask - snap or crack. So, they are breaking ballpoint pens to show how to deal with Mr Pen.

I guess it gives the children of the elite something to do, as the daddy paid for tutor in fact writes their assignments! haha

projection or embedded confession?

Many emigrant Poles think like that. They cherish their dear illusions about Poland from old times and dream of keeping the things as they were. They imagine PiS and rightists are the best option for Poland as they vow to conserve old ways. It doesn`t matter the economy falters, it doesn`t matter that Poland might leave the EU and again be subjugated by Russia, it doesn`t matter that PiS- provoked animosities and hostilities tear this nation apart, it doesn`t matter that democratic principles are broken - what matters is that Poland must remain on the right path. All other options are out of question.

As opposed to the Glorious Future where PO and SLD wants to take us. :/

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Yes it is. There has been incremental improvements and some moderately good ones since PiS took power. You should have seen it in the PO days..

You certainly should have, but in reality you've never set foot in Poland.

Yes, let's discuss them. Which one are you referring to? I assume that you have actually read them.
And if you didn't here's an article about Dmowski's attitude towards Russia
m.pch24.pl/dmowski-jako-slugus-rosji-,57242,i.html

@amiga500
You're embarrassing yourself. You have no stake in this country. One post you say PiS reduced red tape, the next you say it was incremental. You have likely never stepped foot in Poland. You refuse to even answer the question. Then you post more of the gay stuff. That's PiS best swing for the fences? Gay bashing? Its laughable how weak the whole party is. The platform of give away other peoples money, buy votes, bash gays, and abandon small business owners who actually made the economy what it was. Excellent platform and well executed if you are grading absolute failures.

Yes, I know emigrant Poles are only focused on that LGBT. Let it be.

But you should realise that Poles have always copied the Western ways since we are Western Slavs. Western European style will prevail here naturally, whether you support or oppose it. Nobody can stop that. That is why spoiling democracy and damaging Polish unity in order to save us from Western ways of life which PiS has been always trying to do is useless and stupid coz they aren`t able to prevent a natural course of events.

E.g., did PiS` 500+ plus help to bring back higher fertility? No, eventually the figures have dropped to previous levels. That is the proof they can`t control certain processes coz they have no such power over them. PiS doesn`t understand it and is trying to turn back the tide in Vistula River, that is why we can call them idiots and as such treat as harmful to Poland.

pawian is on vacation again :P :)

hahahaha
Yes, the school year has almost ended and I need to blow off my steam teaching people somewhere. As my family is not enough, even though it`s a big one, I have to do it on/with you and your like. I hope you enjoy it. hahaha

PS. Besides, I am trying to make up for your regular absence here. One post per week? Come on, you can do much better than that.

How is that a good point? That is just BS.


Have you read it? Seems to me you have only hard about it from others, lazy, lying moron who believe he is somehow an elite. What a joke!


Harry are you back.? Feeling better? Good for you.


Do you hope for PO to do better? Unless you were involved in that VAT scam, your hope is in vain.

Relax, darling, it is only a forum. hahahaha


yes, it is in vain coz it is PiS now who got rid of all rivals and are profiting from VAT scam themselves.


No, it is Larry. :):)

This is particularly true when you watch the propagnda spilled out from the public television TVP. I would have never imagined that it came over the surface once again. Of course, the slogans and subjects promoted are different, but the techniques of manipulation is virtually the same. A source of eternal disgust for anyone who is capable of thinking on their own.

Of course, there are lot of peole who believe this kind of propoagand. There have always been people who need an "'authority' which explains to them the surrounding world in simple terms.


They probably imagine that the level of bureaucracy and competence in Poland is as high as in the countries of the "rotten" West they actually live in at present, while in fact it is not. On the other hand, they despise certain values promoted in that rotten West, so they are quite happy that Poland under PiS rejects them. In this way they get the false image of Poland as an orderly organized country which is not true, at the same time not realizing that ideas and values of the democratic rotten West add enormously to the freedem and thus prosperity of the said West. In the end. The Polish expats abroad tend to find themselves in the trap of their own illusions.

It has always striked me that the majority of people on the PF living in Poland, both the handful of native Poles as well as foreign expats in Poland, have totally different opinions on what is going on in Poland than the majority of the delusional Poles posting from the "rotten" West.

We already had the discussion about my extensive involvement in Poland. Either you have memory problems which in that case I do not hold out much hope for your your business, or You are deliberately being a Troll.

Janusz Korwin-Mikke 'rapping' for Bosak. I'm sure that will get a few votes lolzo. Whats up with Korvin-Mikke he looks like he has Parkinsons? And his wife, while she is hot, shes young enough to be his great granddaugher :/

youtu.be/jREnEORPtoA

Dude, most Polish people living in Poland don't have interest in posting on an internet Forum in English on the top of it dedicated to Poland.

It has been said may times but Io think it is need to be repeated.
They would rather post stuff about Poland political issues on Polish forums - that a given.
So that forum is for foreigners in Poland whose communications skills are much better in English than Polish.
Some oddballs like you.
I don't like forums in Polish, either people agree with me or totally disagree and there is no taking to them. More interesting to me are opinions of foreigners living in Poland with some of their observation I agree and with some disagree. Overtly they seemingly don't understand Polish politics and forces at play or are just viewing it through the filter of their ideological and political affiliations.

Divide between people living in Poland and those who do not is just your own artificially constructed pet project. It simplistic and doesn't take into account variables.

I guess you are focused on some of our American friends here, but I'm afraid you read their opinions out of context, you don't know context and why that is important as it influence heavily on the context or their posts.

Sure, they sometimes make a wrong assumption or jump the gun or misread something or don't know that or other detail, Still that is only natural, they don't know Polish, you know English but you do the same in regard of America.

So why don't you shut it. You are being silly again.

Another poll.

First round:

Duda: 40%
Trzaskowski: 27%
Hołownia: 10%
Bosak: 7%
K-Kamysz: 5%
Biedroń: 4%
Witkowski: 1%
Hard to say: 4%

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Second round:

Trzaskowski: 47%
Duda: 43%
Hard to say/won't vote: 9%

Hołownia: 49%
Duda: 44%
4% won't vote
3% undecided

The big thing from this poll: Trzaskowski and Duda are supported by men almost equally (44% Duda, 43% Trzaskowski), but by women, Trzaskowski defeats Duda 51-43%

Duda is also starting to lose support in smaller towns (up to 20,000 people - the 'fire engine' town) - he's gone from 61% to 51% support in a week.

Also of note: Bosak is projected to take 2nd place among young people, while Duda will be 4th.

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As an aside, are we all making predictions tomorrow as to the first round result before electoral silence starts?

sure Delph Duda, 41.5 to 42.5 percent. But final result will have to wait till Polonia postal votes come in.

The take fashion designer thing just shows how weird PiS are - that they spend public money on ludicrous lies.

I contemplated and calmed myself. Even if brat Trzaskowski win on elections he will allow Serbia to import armament from Russia via Poland`s air space. I am sure, Trzaskowski isn`t moron. He won`t betray.

It is really, really strange. It hurts Duda among young people, yet it doesn't gain him any support among older voters. Why do it?

If I didn't know any better, I'd suggest that Kurski is wrecking Duda's campaign in revenge.


I'm surprised you've got him so low - I think there's signs of Bosak voters hesitating at the last second and switching to Duda, so I'm giving him 43-43.5% tonight. I'll judge again tomorrow, but IMO, Duda will do better than expected in the first round.

I think it will be the other way round, in the second round a lot of voters who did not vote for Duda in the first, our of protest or whatever, will in the end, plumb for stability.

Yes, this rivalry is so exciting.


Good you reminded about that. We need to move to Polonia Voting thread for a while.

It is funny to read what other candidates say about Trzaskowski:

Duda: He is unstable or a liar.
Morawiecki from PiS: Caviar turboliberal.
Biedroń from Left: Rightwinger
Kosiniak from Folk: He copies my ideas.
Hołownia - free lance: Fresh competitor unloaded from a mini bus not far from the finish line.
Bosak - Far Right : Leftist.

My opinion about Trzaskowski: appearance of a hipster with pro-LGBT agenda. Once elected he would do what would push what he has promised in the past that is: his dream of homosexual "marriages" and sex indoctrination to schools. Fortunatelly, his chances of winning are slim

He is also a liar: he initially lied about not voting in favour for altering the age of retirement in Poland.

oko.press/pierwszy-blad-rafala-trzaskowskiego-wiek-emerytalny/

polandin.com/48488592/president-attempts-to-seize-the-election-agenda

Certainly a brave prediction, given that Duda's lead in the 2nd round is withering.

As for him being a liar, I think we could list all the broken promises that Duda made, don't you think?

You've misread my post, darling.

I was not talking about Polish people living in Poland, but only of those handful of Polish people who post on the PF



It only means that they've alredy begun to soil their pants even if it is still 4 days to the election.

There's a very, very clear panic going on in PiS right now. Younger voters are clearly beginning to mobilise against Duda, and it looks like Duda might not even finish in the top 3 among voters aged 18-29.

Oh, and LOL:

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275871808261107712

Trump couldn't even get the name of the party right :D

LMAO Duda and Trump press conference LMAO Duda gets NOTHING from his visit!!! Nothing! What a freaking idiot. He couldnt even get a commitment for 1000 more troops. He couldnt get anything! This is the Polish eagle. Not even respected enough to get a big mack on the way out the door.