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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,501
LMAO Duda and Trump press conference LMAO Duda gets NOTHING from his visit!!! Nothing! What a freaking idiot. He couldnt even get a commitment for 1000 more troops. He couldnt get anything! This is the Polish eagle. Not even respected enough to get a big mack on the way out the door.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,502
Oh my... I don't quite believe this. Has Duda really just given up a crucial part of the campaign to receive nothing?

This is unbelievable. Everyone expected Duda to go there to get a firm commitment that American troops would be sent to Poland, but...he got nothing but vague promises about cooperation. Trump has just used Duda for a press conference to attack Germany and Biden, while the discussions seemed to have revolved around the nuclear power fantasy and a coronavirus vaccine.

I'm in shock. This is a major, major fail. **** me.

Edit: Wow. Trump has only promised one thing - that Poland will receive the coronavirus vaccine as soon as America has one. Not exactly a big deal, and potentially dangerous talk for Duda - anti-vaxxers are lunatics, and if they get the impression that Duda will introduce mandatory vaccines for coronavirus, they're going to abstain (at best) in the 2nd round.

I'm absolutely speechless.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,503
He is also a liar: he initially lied about not voting in favour for altering the age of retirement in Poland.

You are inconsistent: you talk about lying while your link says about a mistake. :):)

My opinion about Trzaskowski: appearance of a hipster with pro-LGBT agenda.

Yesl, appearance is extraordinary, indeed. And don`t worry about that LGBT - it is just one of his many views. Why are you and amiga so obsessed with it???

It only means that they've alredy begun to soil their pants even if it is still 4 days to the election.

LOL.

He couldnt get anything!

Sad but it only shows how little we can depend on the USA to which Poland is a provincial country in the armpit of Europe. Only the EU matters. Even sadder that PiS and rightwingers in general are blind to reality. And they subconsciously prefer Russian sphere of interest.
Spike31 2 | 2,109
24 Jun 2020 #1,504
There's a very, very clear panic going on in PiS right now

To be honest I don't see the panic and I read news from various sources.

If anything, the latest polls normilized predictions at 43%-27% for Duda vs Trzaskowski in the first turn.

The most optimistic predictions for Trzaskowski are based on a wishful thinking that 80% of those who didn't voted for Duda in the first turn will vote for Trzaskowski in the 2nd. You see, those who would not vote for Duda in the 1st round are not by default anti-Duda - they are just more pro other candidates like Kamysz, K.Bosak, Holownia... - and many of them will vote for Duda in the 2nd round.

Everything will be clear after the first round. If Duda win it 43% to 27% then the 2nd. round is a pure formality and Trzaskowski will not be able to get extra 24% in just under 2 weeks. He may have a chance if the difference between them would be less than 10%

Me as always: the first round voting for K.Bosak, 2nd. round for Duda
Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
24 Jun 2020 #1,505
Duda gets NOTHING from his visit!!! Nothing! What a freaking idiot.

This is quite simple. Trump invited Duda having the Polish-American voters in the US election in mind.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,506
He may have a chance if the difference between them would be less than 10%

Only 3 days are left for us to see.

the first round voting for K.Bosak, 2nd. round for Duda

Your fear of LGBT is stronger than PiS` attempts to remove Konfederacja and far right from Polish politics?
Spike31 2 | 2,109
24 Jun 2020 #1,507
My common sense is stronger since from my experience in Western Europe I know that the destruction of a healthy tissue of a society is often irreversible.

And the rest of political establishment is equally anti-Konfederacja and would aim to remove true conservatist from Polish Politics anyway. They're just masking it now in false hopes that Konfederacja will help them to destroy PiS. Once the lesser sort would gain majority they would quickly turn against us.

PiS has to be replaced with Konfederacja without letting a "total opposition" to rule.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,508
Trump invited Duda having the Polish-American voters in the US election in mind

I have to say it - Trump won big here. He hit all his talking points (Merkel bad, Biden bad, Troops home, Poland great, wink wink Polonia) without conceding anything to Duda except a vague promise of help with nuclear power (a standing joke in Polish politics) and a promise that Poland could buy an American coronavirus vaccine.

Duda lost massively. He was supposed to come home with a signed agreement to bring American troops to Poland, one that would allow him to hold a campaign rally holding the agreement high. Instead, there's nothing.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,509
Once the lesser sort would gain majority they would quickly turn against us.

Yes, you have seen through their dirty machinations. There is no gratitude in politics. :):)

Talking about gratitude - we should thank Mr Gowin for his opposition to elections in May. Whatever were his reasons, high or low, he deserves credit for that. I once voted for him when he was in PO - in 2011. Later he proved a swine but his recent election objection covered it.

except a vague promise of help with nuclear power (a standing joke in Polish politics)

Yes, knowing Poles` reluctance to nuclear power in Poland, the opposition should exploit this matter every day now.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
24 Jun 2020 #1,510
Trump won big here. He hit all his talking points

I've always said on this forum that Trump is a big player. He once went totally bankrupt and then recovered and that is always an extremely good lesson if you pass it successfully. Neither Duda nor JK nor Bosak would be able to achive this in my view. Neither Trzaskowski, to be honest, but at least he seems to be much less naive than Duda.
Spike31 2 | 2,109
24 Jun 2020 #1,511
Yes, you have seen through their dirty machinations.

Not even a political machinations. For that one needs to have at least a little bit of wit and practical political knowledge. They are dimwits and their hate is based on instincts really. They are instinctly against right-wing conservatives just like a common crook is against the rule of law.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,512
I've always said on this forum that Trump is a big player.

Nobody denies that. After all, being a president of the superpower one has to be a bigwig. :) Even though he is so unpredictable.

It is funny to read what other candidates say about Trzaskowski:

Now what critics say about Duda:

Ballpoint Pen - coz he signs everything, even unconstitutional laws
Adrian - instead of his real first name Andrew. A symbol of contempt from other PiS politicians who consider him a ...
Dupa - worthless dickhead, dumb-ass
Pudding - his former teacher said that at school he was like pudding with raspberry topping - sickeningly dutiful, polite, nice nerd.
Andrzejek - a dimunitive of Andrew.
Puppet - coz he is controlled by PiS chairman.
Maliniak - a famous character from a comedy series is called Maliniak. They look similar. below

Positive
Today Father Rydzyk said: The Warrior of Light fights satanic deviants. hahaha



Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
24 Jun 2020 #1,513
Whatever people might tell against Duda and PiS, I shall admit that democracy is still alive in Poland. Yesterday in Warsaw I was walking the Krakowskie Przedmieście Street down to the Royal Castle and was passing the Presidential Palace. On my way I spotted a guy seated just in front of the Palace and holding a plate which said 'Precz z faszyzmem" (Down with facism). Then, on the border of the pavement with the road there was an exibition of large photographs with texts showing PiS politicians which presented their corruptive "deeds" and how much money it costed the Polish taxpayer. I was sort of surprised at the rather great number of those deeds having been accumulated throughout the period when PiS have been in power.

All that in front of the Presidential Palace and no police or other force dismanting the exibition. Thank God we are not yet a Putin-style republic. I wonder if Konfederacja with Bosak as the main tenant of the Palace would have tolerated this kind of exhibition.

[On a side note, I wonder if such an exhibition were allowed in case of presenting the achievements or problems or whatever else concerning the LGBT people. That could be a real test for the Polish democracy!]
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,514
I shall admit that democracy is still alive in Poland. Yesterday in Warsaw I was walking the Krakowskie Przedmieście Street

Yes, I heard about this useful exhibition which shows all frauds and swindles by PiS.

However, this is Warsaw and it is controlled by democratic opposition. How about a place where the regime holds power? An armpit town in Podkarpackie region?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
24 Jun 2020 #1,515
How about a place where the regime holds power?

I already told a story here about a small town in Lubelskie where two guys beat a bloke who stood at an election rally among Duda supporters calmly, but was holding up a plate which said "No for the Ballpen".
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
25 Jun 2020 #1,516
Someone in the PiS campaign office needs to answer for this absolute failure of a trip to visit Trump. Without some guarantee on some kind of deal in place, spending a few days right before the election chasing Trump for a breadcrumb makes no sense. Maybe as someone suggested a while ago JK wants Duda to fail. It sure looks like it from this move. I can't even imagine Duda flying back to Poland and what is going on in his head.

@Ziemowit
Trump has actually filed for bankruptcy several times with his companies. He has openly said that bankruptcy is a "tool" to be used to reset things in business. While its a shady tool to use, I agree with him.

The relationship or perceived relationship between Trump and Duda is really odd. While many policy initiatives concerning LGBTQ and immigration are similar, they are so far apart on economic issues that it doesn't make sense. Looking at the people Trump surrounds himself with, Duda doesn't fit the profile of anyone Trump would associate with. That said, Poland bought a whole bunch of fighter planes this year, and Trump is a great salesman.
gumishu 11 | 5,604
25 Jun 2020 #1,517
First that he was not in the Sejm which voted to raise the retirement age, and then he corrected himself and said .

forget about preaching to these people - they have made up their minds years before now (and believe in utter nonsenses: like pawian's belief that PiS is currently leading VAT scams)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,518
I can't even imagine Duda flying back to Poland and what is going on in his head.

If he loses, this will be the pivotal moment. He needed a big win to show that he was a big time player, and the establishment of an American base would have been a big deal for some undecided voters.

Just... How do you give up two crucial campaign days for that?
mafketis 24 | 9,372
25 Jun 2020 #1,519
My theory: Georgette told him to tone down the anti-LGBT rhetoric because putting American bases in a country where that goes on would not play in America and if he plays nice she can arrange a meeting with Trump.

Adrian feel for it hook, line and sinker....
amiga500 2 | 222
25 Jun 2020 #1,520
forget about preaching to these people

Yes its true , it's like throwing pearls to swine, however looking forward to some Schadenfreude on the 12 of July, and reading the toddler tantrums and the death of poland (again) proclamations. And collecting a cool fifty quid..
mafketis 24 | 9,372
25 Jun 2020 #1,521
it's like throwing pearls to swine

Don't be so hard on yourself.... you're a human being! You matter!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,523
Latest forecast by Daniel Pers:

Duda: 39.9%
Trzaskowski: 30.5%
Hołowina: 10.1%
Bosak: 7.5%
K-Kamysz: 7%
Biedroń: 3.5%

The danger for Duda right now isn't Trzaskowski, but the other candidates. All of them are attacking Duda on specific issues that can cost Duda a couple of percent, which could be vital.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,524
forget about preaching to these people -

hahaha I could say the same about you to Ziem or maf.

lieve in utter nonsenses: like pawian's belief that PiS is currently leading VAT scams

Of course it`s not nonsense. But your ignorance means you must be staying away from Poland and are not in touch with latest reports on Polish media. VAT scam thrives under PiS government and people nominated by PiS are responsible for that. HA!

It hurts you, I know, this ideal perfect PiS, noble defenders of conservative Poland, turn out ordinary swindlers and thieves. hahahaha But I also know you will glady close an eye to this thievery as long as PiS contains LGBT. You will treat those ltheft osses as tax deducxtible expenses. hahahaha
amiga500 2 | 222
25 Jun 2020 #1,525
VAT scam thrives under PiS government

The laws on VAT were changed and the government got Billions more of tax revenue as a result , allowing for more social spending. No more PO Układ VAT rorts. You make silly statements with no evidence. You are delusional. Stick to your village politics about who stole the neighbours chickens.
gumishu 11 | 5,604
25 Jun 2020 #1,526
noble defenders of conservative Poland, turn out ordinary swindlers and thieves.

your sources on that?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
25 Jun 2020 #1,527
@delphiandomine
This is exactly what I expected. It's Duda against the world, and the world is chipping away at the PiS foundation. With three days to go Duda better pull a rabbit out of a hat somewhere. What happens when Duda doesn't strike a knockout blow on Sunday? When the second round comes he really only has Bosak to get a little help from. The rest will make deals. I wonder what JK said to Duda when he came back?
mafketis 24 | 9,372
25 Jun 2020 #1,528
I wonder what JK said to Duda when he came back?

Maybe "Witam was ciule!"

(famous slip of the tongue from pope benedict who was trying to say 'witam was czule' (I warmly greet you) but said the above (Greetings, stupid jerks!)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Jun 2020 #1,529
And now the polls will come thick and fast:

Duda: 41.27%
Trzaskowski: 30.30%
Hołowina: 10.74%
Bosak: 7.23%
Kosiniak-Kamysz: 5.81%
Biedroń: 3.35%
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
25 Jun 2020 #1,530
your sources on that?

it`s the tenth time you ask me for sources for my allegations. In previous cases I provided them and you had to swallow a bitter pill and shut up. Do you want to relive the moment one more time? That is called masochism. hahaha

When the second round comes he really only has Bosak to get a little help from.

No, he also has PiS behind him ready for anything to prevent the disaster. They will declare the state of emergency which will delay the elections till autumn or even further.

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