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PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,471
@amiga500
Cutting red tape? You clearly have not stepped foot in Poland to do any type of business. It takes a month to set up a SP ZO O in Poland if you are in the fast lane, in USA to set up and LLC or Inc takes 15 minutes. Get tax certification in Poland takes and actual physical visit to your office, in USA its done on line. Poland is the safe haven of red tape. Get your facts straight before you start spouting off. 500+ is not a benefit, it is a burden that somehow has to be paid by people who are actually paying into the system, and now that system has been decimated because PiS cant get the shield money to small business. When was the last time you were in Poland again? Just what I thought, probably never.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
24 Jun 2020 #1,472
hen was the last time you were in Polan

My guess is that he's another Dirk - using a psychologically projected false version of the country to deal with the cognitive dissonance of living where he does....
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,473
@pawian Whats up with the breaking pencils movement, ? what did i miss?

I mentioned it here
polishforums.com/news/presidential-elections-opinions-campaign-85472/48/#msg1743216

Duda is called Pen coz he signs all laws from PiS` parliament. Trzaskowski`s surname reminds of trzask - snap or crack. So, they are breaking ballpoint pens to show how to deal with Mr Pen.
amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,474
breaking ballpoint pens to show how to deal with Mr Pen.

I guess it gives the children of the elite something to do, as the daddy paid for tutor in fact writes their assignments! haha
mafketis 24 | 9,361
24 Jun 2020 #1,475
daddy paid for tutor in fact writes their assignments

projection or embedded confession?
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,476
using a psychologically projected false version of the country

Many emigrant Poles think like that. They cherish their dear illusions about Poland from old times and dream of keeping the things as they were. They imagine PiS and rightists are the best option for Poland as they vow to conserve old ways. It doesn`t matter the economy falters, it doesn`t matter that Poland might leave the EU and again be subjugated by Russia, it doesn`t matter that PiS- provoked animosities and hostilities tear this nation apart, it doesn`t matter that democratic principles are broken - what matters is that Poland must remain on the right path. All other options are out of question.
amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,477
They cherish their dear illusions about Poland from old times

As opposed to the Glorious Future where PO and SLD wants to take us. :/





amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,478
Poland is the safe haven of red tape. Get your facts straight before you start spouting off.

Yes it is. There has been incremental improvements and some moderately good ones since PiS took power. You should have seen it in the PO days..
Lazarus 1 | 114
24 Jun 2020 #1,479
You should have seen it in the PO days..

You certainly should have, but in reality you've never set foot in Poland.
Spike31 2 | 2,099
24 Jun 2020 #1,480
is enough to read Dmowski`s texts

Yes, let's discuss them. Which one are you referring to? I assume that you have actually read them.
And if you didn't here's an article about Dmowski's attitude towards Russia
m.pch24.pl/dmowski-jako-slugus-rosji-,57242,i.html
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,481
@amiga500
You're embarrassing yourself. You have no stake in this country. One post you say PiS reduced red tape, the next you say it was incremental. You have likely never stepped foot in Poland. You refuse to even answer the question. Then you post more of the gay stuff. That's PiS best swing for the fences? Gay bashing? Its laughable how weak the whole party is. The platform of give away other peoples money, buy votes, bash gays, and abandon small business owners who actually made the economy what it was. Excellent platform and well executed if you are grading absolute failures.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,482
As opposed to the Glorious Future where PO and SLD wants to take us. :/

Yes, I know emigrant Poles are only focused on that LGBT. Let it be.

But you should realise that Poles have always copied the Western ways since we are Western Slavs. Western European style will prevail here naturally, whether you support or oppose it. Nobody can stop that. That is why spoiling democracy and damaging Polish unity in order to save us from Western ways of life which PiS has been always trying to do is useless and stupid coz they aren`t able to prevent a natural course of events.

E.g., did PiS` 500+ plus help to bring back higher fertility? No, eventually the figures have dropped to previous levels. That is the proof they can`t control certain processes coz they have no such power over them. PiS doesn`t understand it and is trying to turn back the tide in Vistula River, that is why we can call them idiots and as such treat as harmful to Poland.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
24 Jun 2020 #1,483
Yes, I know emigrant Poles are only focused on that LGBT. Let it be.

pawian is on vacation again :P :)
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,484
hahahaha
Yes, the school year has almost ended and I need to blow off my steam teaching people somewhere. As my family is not enough, even though it`s a big one, I have to do it on/with you and your like. I hope you enjoy it. hahaha

PS. Besides, I am trying to make up for your regular absence here. One post per week? Come on, you can do much better than that.
Ironside 50 | 10,935
24 Jun 2020 #1,485
That a was good point.

How is that a good point? That is just BS.

It is enough to read Dmowski`s texts. hahaha

Have you read it? Seems to me you have only hard about it from others, lazy, lying moron who believe he is somehow an elite. What a joke!

You certainly should have, but in reality you've never set foot in Poland.

Harry are you back.? Feeling better? Good for you.

Cutting red tape?

Do you hope for PO to do better? Unless you were involved in that VAT scam, your hope is in vain.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,486
lazy, lying moron

Relax, darling, it is only a forum. hahahaha

Unless you were involved in that VAT scam, your hope is in vain.

yes, it is in vain coz it is PiS now who got rid of all rivals and are profiting from VAT scam themselves.

Harry are you back.?

No, it is Larry. :):)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
24 Jun 2020 #1,487
they are bringing back all the communist evil that I hoped was gone in 1989.

This is particularly true when you watch the propagnda spilled out from the public television TVP. I would have never imagined that it came over the surface once again. Of course, the slogans and subjects promoted are different, but the techniques of manipulation is virtually the same. A source of eternal disgust for anyone who is capable of thinking on their own.

Of course, there are lot of peole who believe this kind of propoagand. There have always been people who need an "'authority' which explains to them the surrounding world in simple terms.

They cherish their dear illusions about Poland from old times and dream of keeping the things as they were.

They probably imagine that the level of bureaucracy and competence in Poland is as high as in the countries of the "rotten" West they actually live in at present, while in fact it is not. On the other hand, they despise certain values promoted in that rotten West, so they are quite happy that Poland under PiS rejects them. In this way they get the false image of Poland as an orderly organized country which is not true, at the same time not realizing that ideas and values of the democratic rotten West add enormously to the freedem and thus prosperity of the said West. In the end. The Polish expats abroad tend to find themselves in the trap of their own illusions.

It has always striked me that the majority of people on the PF living in Poland, both the handful of native Poles as well as foreign expats in Poland, have totally different opinions on what is going on in Poland than the majority of the delusional Poles posting from the "rotten" West.
amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,488
You refuse to even answer the question.

We already had the discussion about my extensive involvement in Poland. Either you have memory problems which in that case I do not hold out much hope for your your business, or You are deliberately being a Troll.

Janusz Korwin-Mikke 'rapping' for Bosak. I'm sure that will get a few votes lolzo. Whats up with Korvin-Mikke he looks like he has Parkinsons? And his wife, while she is hot, shes young enough to be his great granddaugher :/

youtu.be/jREnEORPtoA
Ironside 50 | 10,935
24 Jun 2020 #1,489
It has always striked me

Dude, most Polish people living in Poland don't have interest in posting on an internet Forum in English on the top of it dedicated to Poland.

It has been said may times but Io think it is need to be repeated.
They would rather post stuff about Poland political issues on Polish forums - that a given.
So that forum is for foreigners in Poland whose communications skills are much better in English than Polish.
Some oddballs like you.
I don't like forums in Polish, either people agree with me or totally disagree and there is no taking to them. More interesting to me are opinions of foreigners living in Poland with some of their observation I agree and with some disagree. Overtly they seemingly don't understand Polish politics and forces at play or are just viewing it through the filter of their ideological and political affiliations.

Divide between people living in Poland and those who do not is just your own artificially constructed pet project. It simplistic and doesn't take into account variables.

I guess you are focused on some of our American friends here, but I'm afraid you read their opinions out of context, you don't know context and why that is important as it influence heavily on the context or their posts.

Sure, they sometimes make a wrong assumption or jump the gun or misread something or don't know that or other detail, Still that is only natural, they don't know Polish, you know English but you do the same in regard of America.

So why don't you shut it. You are being silly again.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,490
Another poll.

First round:

Duda: 40%
Trzaskowski: 27%
Hołownia: 10%
Bosak: 7%
K-Kamysz: 5%
Biedroń: 4%
Witkowski: 1%
Hard to say: 4%

==

Second round:

Trzaskowski: 47%
Duda: 43%
Hard to say/won't vote: 9%

Hołownia: 49%
Duda: 44%
4% won't vote
3% undecided

The big thing from this poll: Trzaskowski and Duda are supported by men almost equally (44% Duda, 43% Trzaskowski), but by women, Trzaskowski defeats Duda 51-43%

Duda is also starting to lose support in smaller towns (up to 20,000 people - the 'fire engine' town) - he's gone from 61% to 51% support in a week.

Also of note: Bosak is projected to take 2nd place among young people, while Duda will be 4th.

==

As an aside, are we all making predictions tomorrow as to the first round result before electoral silence starts?
amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,491
sure Delph Duda, 41.5 to 42.5 percent. But final result will have to wait till Polonia postal votes come in.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
24 Jun 2020 #1,492
The take fashion designer thing just shows how weird PiS are - that they spend public money on ludicrous lies.
Crow 146 | 9,109
24 Jun 2020 #1,493
Trzaskowski: 47%
Duda: 43%

I contemplated and calmed myself. Even if brat Trzaskowski win on elections he will allow Serbia to import armament from Russia via Poland`s air space. I am sure, Trzaskowski isn`t moron. He won`t betray.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,494
The take fashion designer thing just shows how weird PiS are - that they spend public money on ludicrous lies.

It is really, really strange. It hurts Duda among young people, yet it doesn't gain him any support among older voters. Why do it?

If I didn't know any better, I'd suggest that Kurski is wrecking Duda's campaign in revenge.

Duda, 41.5 to 42.5 percent.

I'm surprised you've got him so low - I think there's signs of Bosak voters hesitating at the last second and switching to Duda, so I'm giving him 43-43.5% tonight. I'll judge again tomorrow, but IMO, Duda will do better than expected in the first round.
amiga500 2 | 206
24 Jun 2020 #1,495
Duda will do better than expected in the first round.

I think it will be the other way round, in the second round a lot of voters who did not vote for Duda in the first, our of protest or whatever, will in the end, plumb for stability.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,496
I think it will be the other way round

Yes, this rivalry is so exciting.

But final result will have to wait till Polonia postal votes come in.

Good you reminded about that. We need to move to Polonia Voting thread for a while.

It is funny to read what other candidates say about Trzaskowski:

Duda: He is unstable or a liar.
Morawiecki from PiS: Caviar turboliberal.
Biedroń from Left: Rightwinger
Kosiniak from Folk: He copies my ideas.
Hołownia - free lance: Fresh competitor unloaded from a mini bus not far from the finish line.
Bosak - Far Right : Leftist.
Spike31 2 | 2,099
24 Jun 2020 #1,497
My opinion about Trzaskowski: appearance of a hipster with pro-LGBT agenda. Once elected he would do what would push what he has promised in the past that is: his dream of homosexual "marriages" and sex indoctrination to schools. Fortunatelly, his chances of winning are slim

He is also a liar: he initially lied about not voting in favour for altering the age of retirement in Poland.

oko.press/pierwszy-blad-rafala-trzaskowskiego-wiek-emerytalny/

polandin.com/48488592/president-attempts-to-seize-the-election-agenda
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,498
Fortunatelly, his chances of winning are slim

Certainly a brave prediction, given that Duda's lead in the 2nd round is withering.

As for him being a liar, I think we could list all the broken promises that Duda made, don't you think?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
24 Jun 2020 #1,499
Dude, most Polish people living in Poland don't have interest in posting on an internet Forum in English

You've misread my post, darling.

I was not talking about Polish people living in Poland, but only of those handful of Polish people who post on the PF

the majority of people on the PF living in Poland, both the handful of native Poles as well as foreign expats in Poland

funny to read what other candidates say about Trzaskowski:

It only means that they've alredy begun to soil their pants even if it is still 4 days to the election.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jun 2020 #1,500
There's a very, very clear panic going on in PiS right now. Younger voters are clearly beginning to mobilise against Duda, and it looks like Duda might not even finish in the top 3 among voters aged 18-29.

Oh, and LOL:

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275871808261107712

Trump couldn't even get the name of the party right :D

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