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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


amiga500 2 | 223
23 Jun 2020 #1,441
de a nice parody of Duda, especially his infamous stupid faces.

Its terrible when compared to Ocho Prezesa.
amiga500 2 | 223
23 Jun 2020 #1,442
he`s had enough of idiotic right wingers. My blood!

I hope you disown him ;)
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
23 Jun 2020 #1,443
Nope. I am proud of him. :):) And when I told my younger kids that the hardcore curriculum they are overwhelmed with at primary school now is PiS` trick on students due to the infamous deform of education, they also vowed never to vote PiS in the future. hahahaha
amiga500 2 | 223
23 Jun 2020 #1,444
You weren`t so convinced in the past. Am I wrong or your views have evolved? :)

After few years in Poland, PolAmKrakow is networking with PO operatives, and they are slowly deciding to invite him into the Post-Communist Układ. He will be able to have some former SB agents on call if he ever has any business 'troubles' ;)
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
23 Jun 2020 #1,445
@amiga500
Sorry to disappoint you, I will never join any "party". I am not one of the sheep who need to follow. I vote for who is qualified to do the best job for the most people regardless of party. Religion has no place in my decision making. If I felt Duda was qualified and could do a good job I would say so. The facts are already in on that though. Duda, JK and the PiS movement have done nothing. They are incompetent and have no idea how to move the country forward. If they win, the people in this country that vote for them will get what they deserve, more of nothing.
amiga500 2 | 223
23 Jun 2020 #1,446
How will voting for a president who will do nothing but obstruct the parliamentary majority, in a time of economic crisis due to a virus pandemic be helpful to Poland? In times like this we need a unified command.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
23 Jun 2020 #1,447
What pathetic reasoning - they have already had 4 months of this crisis to formulate an economic response. What do we get ? Free fire engines, holiday vouchers and a focus not on the economy but on organizing postal elections
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
23 Jun 2020 #1,448
@amiga500
You should be ashamed of yourself. This administration is a joke. A laughing stock that is an embarrassment to the country. Unified command? Of what the fag patrol? This is what PiS is worried about? Get a clue about what the real, intelligent people want from the country.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
23 Jun 2020 #1,449
In times like this we need a unified command.

Like in Nazi Germany or Stalin`s Russia? No, thanks. Patriotic Poles prefer Polish ways. :):)
Spike31 2 | 2,110
23 Jun 2020 #1,450
And that's why we should not emulate the West with its suicidal neomarxist tendencies but rather to cultivate our own Polish consevative and Catholic values.
Crow 146 | 9,122
23 Jun 2020 #1,451
Polish consevative and Catholic values

Let me put it this way, dobri brate. Polish conservative Catholic values. That sounds better. You don`t need that `and`. When you say `and` it's like you beside Polish values have some globalistic Catholic values. Global you don`t need. But, I can understand that you respect Polish Catholic values.

Let us make this world better. Let us be suverenistic and get rid of foreigners.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
23 Jun 2020 #1,452
@Spike31
The problem is that sometimes Polish conservative values lead to suicidal disasters like partitions. :):)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
23 Jun 2020 #1,453
Another poll:

First round:

Duda: 43.1%
Trzaskowski: 27.4%
Hołownia: 10.1%
K-Kamysz: 7.5%
Bosak: 6.2%
Biedroń: 4.5%

Second round:

Trzaskowski: 46%
Duda: 45%

The key takeaway here is that Duda is struggling to find votes in the 2nd round. It would appear that some Bosak voters switched to Duda at the last minute (again, we saw the same in the European elections).

This poll is also devastating for Duda in terms of voter flow. He can only count on 7% of the vote from Hołownia and 9% from K-Kamysz, while he would get nothing from Biedroń supporters and only 23% from Bosak.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
24 Jun 2020 #1,454
@pawian, and that translates to current Polish politics how exactly?
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,455
I wonder what Duda says to Trump about the EU potentially banning people from USA traveling to Poland? Considering the story broke yesterday, and he is shaking hands with Trump today, I would be pretty sure the subject comes up. Probably around the same time Duda is begging for more American Military in Poland. Trump probably says its not a problem he will just pull all military from Poland. I wonder how this news plays to those who thought the Visa waiver program was actually an accomplishment of PiS, when it had nothing to do with them.
amiga500 2 | 223
24 Jun 2020 #1,456
@PolamKrakow They have done nothing for the economy, well why was it booming before the pandemic? What about Shield Coronavirus stimulus bills? What about the fact the PO would have done half as much as they are less state interventionist? You ignore so much.. But last time PO was in power was bit before your time eh? so u have no experience of the jackasses



PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,457
@amiga500
The economy was booming because of international trade, and as you said in a post earlier, in part because of USA companies generating a lot of cash. The shield is and was a joke, a record number of business have gone under, in the first 30 days alone more companies closed their doors than in the whole previous year. Stimulus bills? From what? EU money? Like all the infrastructure money spent employing thousands that would have come to Poland no matter who was in charge. Get a grip on yourself and use facts not PiS propaganda. Do you even live here? Maybe I should post pictures of all the defaced Duda signs around the country that I have seen?

I still wonder what he says to Trump about a potential travel ban on Americans. Any ideas how long it will take Duda to reply to a sentence in English? My guess is a six word sentence takes about 30 seconds. "PPPPPPP President TTTTTT Trump IIIIII ammmmm your SSSSSSS Servant" The fluent English speaker he likes to brag about himself being.
amiga500 2 | 223
24 Jun 2020 #1,458
You are salivating about a EU ban on Americans, where you yourself emigrated from there. Sad. If you had a clue about politics you would know that the EU Commission has no power over national borders, unless agreed in unison by the European Council . This is just a baby tantrum by EU Merkel about American forces being pulled from Germany. If you think EU countries are going to agree to a USA travel ban then you are in Cuckoo Land

a record number of business have gone under,

yes this is happening all around the world, no matter what governments do.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
24 Jun 2020 #1,459
@amiga500
No I am not salivating. I am laughing about how he will respond. It will be a topic that's a guarantee. EU already has USA on the list of three proposed banned countries, Russia and Brazil also included.

You cant go back and forth on accomplishments. Either the shield worked or it didnt. Clearly it didnt. Clearly the money went to big business who didnt need it nearly as much and to PiS cronies as well as PiS members themselves indirectly through family and friends.

If you had a clue about economics you wouldnt think about PiS. Where is it you live again? Exactly what I thought. Not in Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
24 Jun 2020 #1,460
why was it booming before the pandemic?

But PiS had almost nothing to do with the boom - most people have no idea about economics ( I have little idea myself but a few basic truths have managed to get through to my brain )

If the economy had been in as bad shape as PiS was claiming in 2015 then it would have barely recovered by the time of the pandemic. Economic collapse can be quick but economic growth is a sloooow process and takes years for good policies to take effect.

Everything PiS has done since is to try to turn government into a money funnel to enrich themselves and cronies while throwing a few welfare crumbs to their low-information base.

They have no real expertise which the pandemic has shown - the tarcze have gotten almost nothing to small businesses (who mostly won't be PiS supporters) and a lot to large companies and cronies.

PiS = PRL (the same system of corruption and patronage - just different slogans for justifying it)
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
24 Jun 2020 #1,461
Around 30 percent of companies have benefitted from the shield and not all of those have received cash yet.

The rest are excluded by various loopholes - one of the most common being seasonal variances in their results and being too successful before the lockdown (so then the have the double whammy of seeing their taxes spent on propping up badly managed competitors).

Small businessmen were a key part of the PiS vote in 2015 and 2019 but they have been ignored by the so called shield.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,462
He will be able to have some former SB agents on call if he ever has any business 'troubles' ;)

You are very correct except one error - it isn`t PolAmKrakow who calls on SB agents, it is PiS government. They used a former communist secret police worker to help them with their business troubles. hahaha Have you heard about the latest scandal?

If I felt Duda was qualified and could do a good job I would say so

A very reasonable approach.

If they win, the people in this country that vote for them will get what they deserve, more of nothing.

Exacty. Let them get what they want.
Spike31 2 | 2,110
24 Jun 2020 #1,463
the EU potentially banning people from USA traveling to Poland?

The EU doesn't have jurisdiction over those matters. People often assume that the EU has far more power than it really has, like in case of judicial reforms in Poland. All it has is what've been granted by nation states and limited by the treaties.

I though that a recent Karlsruhe court ruling* made it clear

euronews.com/2020/05/15/germany-constitutional-court-gone-nuclear-what-happens-next-will-shape-the-eu-future-view

The EU is a tootless dog which can bark but it cannot bite. And sometimes, when it gets too loud, it needs to be disciplined...

I'm personally waiting patiently for this neomarxist bureaucratic institution to fall.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,464
@pawian, and that translates to current Polish politics how exactly?

It translates the following: rightist and nationalist groups are ready to accept losing independence to Russia in order to keep Poland conservative. No matter - independent or under Russian control, Poland must stay conservative - that`s their motto.

"PPPPPPP President TTTTTT Trump IIIIII ammmmm your SSSSSSS Servant"

LoL. I didn`t know you have such talents for comedy.

PiS = PRL (the same system of corruption and patronage - just different slogans for justifying it)

Yes, that`s what has always worried me about PiS rulers - they are bringing back all the communist evil that I hoped was gone in 1989.

I'm personally waiting patiently for this neomarxist bureaucratic institution to fall.

Exactly the thinking I was talking above - waiting for the EU collapse so that Poland can fall into Russian bear`s embrace again.
amiga500 2 | 223
24 Jun 2020 #1,465
But PiS had almost nothing to do with the boom -

Yes and Orban had nothing to do with Hungary economic boom, while liberal germany and france stagnates.. rightio! (eyeroll) 500+, R&D , state support of critical industries, cutting red tape, No PIT for under 26, encouraging Poles to re-emigrate (hey it worked for PolamKrakow!), cutting down on the nepotism and corruption - all added to GDP> But yes its all the vagaries of the market.. lolzo

I am laughing about how he will respond.

He will say, Oh thats just Merkels impotent puppets at the Eu Commission, if you spend 5 minutes thinking about them its five minutes too much..

tarcze have gotten almost nothing to small businesses

Small businessmen were a key part of the PiS vote in 2015 and 2019

Which is it? You PO bot trolls need to make up your mind . LOLzo. How much is Trashkowski paying you to supplement your meagre, failing teaching English to the children of the oligarchy careers?

wow another hard hitting campaign spot totally trashing Trashkowski, if you will pardon the pun. I think this sort of propanganda will have real effect.. youtube.com/watch?v=bC87YYvxCVk Loving this PiS street fighter smash em to the ground approach!
Spike31 2 | 2,110
24 Jun 2020 #1,466
rightist and nationalist groups are ready to accept losing independence to Russia in order to keep Poland conservative

Let's start with the fact that so called Russian connection of conservative right-wing parties in Poland is a piece of PiS propaganda (and since when you're believing in PiS propaganda?) without any proof to follow and it was debunked by G.Braun

Grzegorz Braun dzwoni do ABW i zawiadamia służby ws. kłamstw Morawieckiego o Konfederacji:
youtube.com/watch?v=kbvvvCMB_YI&t=594s&ab_channel=KonfederacjaTV

And also it is a left wing, who would like to give away independence and would want Poland to completely submit to the EU. They are dreaming of the EU Federation in which all the nation states would cease to exist.

Konfederacja stands firmly on the ground that Poland should be an independent and sovereign state.

So yes, learn more about them instead of repeating PiS propaganda.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
24 Jun 2020 #1,467
sometimes Polish conservative values lead to suicidal disasters like partitions

That a was good point. The majority of conservative Catholic gentry (szlachta) did not want any reforms of king Poniatowski and his liberal circle. The gentry people in the country despised Warsaw at the time considering the city a seat of evil. And in the end they got what they deserved - a tsarist most conservative rule which wanted to wipe Catholic religion out of Poland and eradicate the Polish language from the Earth. Hahahaha.

Now the clowns of the PiS party woukld like follow in their steps. Forming fag patrols in every town and village is perhaps their preferred activity they would like to pursue in the times of the crisis. Hahahaha.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Jun 2020 #1,468
Now the clowns of PiS party woukld like follow in their steps.

Exactly.
Pity they never learn from history.

Konfederacja stands firmly on the ground that Poland should be an independent and sovereign state.

Should be, that`s their whole strategy. The problem is they overlook reality and cherish wishful thinking.

So yes, learn more about them instead of repeating PiS propaganda.

One doesn`t need to wait for PiS attacks on Konfederacja to have an idea of rightist/nationalist propensity to allign with Russia, Tsarsit or Putin`s, whatever. It is enough to read Dmowski`s texts. hahaha

So, PiS or Konfederacja, whatever, they are potentially the best tools for Russia in their fight with the EU. After being tools, they might become best partners one day.

I think this sort of propanganda will have real effect..

Yes, the real effect like another spot by Trzaskowski. It`s a funny disco polo song which should reach PiS voters who love this type of music. hahaha

youtu.be/ugDRAgYXn6E
mafketis 24 | 9,385
24 Jun 2020 #1,469
You PO bot trolls need to make up your mind

I used the future tense.... small business owners won't be PiS supporters in the future... (if they have any sense)

I think this sort of propanganda will have real effect

Tak, towarzyszu!
amiga500 2 | 223
24 Jun 2020 #1,470
@pawian Whats up with the breaking pencils movement, ? what did i miss?

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