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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


mafketis 24 | 9,361
16 Jun 2020 #1,261
Haven't seen any pro infrastructure massive spending statements by PO and Trashkowski.

Your attitude is completely Soviet - blind faith in "infrastructure" without actually researching the long term benefits and/or economic viability....

The Soviets thought 'industrialize' and built factories with no thought about supply chains or need/market for the good produced and were dumbfounded when all this industrialization didn't bring about prosperity...

What are the short and long term costs and benefits of this canal thingy?

What airlines and destinations will this boondoggle airport serve? How many passengers a year?
Lazarus 1 | 114
16 Jun 2020 #1,262
buying a tilt train without the tilt option is silly.

You need to read about lateral track load and tilting trains. Then look at the Polish mainline network map.

its 200km/per hour high speed rail to CPK from cbd

Hahahahahahaha!!!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Jun 2020 #1,263
Another day, another poll. I think this poll is garbage and not worth taking seriously, especially the ridiculous idea that Hołownia has suddenly gained 5% overnight.

Duda: 37%
Trzaskowski: 28.7%
Hołownia: 14.8%
Bosak: 6.3%
K-Kamysz: 4.4%
Biedroń: 4%
Undecided: 5%

Second round:

Duda: 39%
Trzaskowski: 42%
Undecided: 19%

Duda: 38%
Hołownia: 46%
Undecided: 16%

I think at this point, it's becoming clear that Duda is polling towards the bottom of the 40-42% range, while Trzaskowski is still 1.5-2.5% short of reaching 30%.

Duda's "me too" in response to someone telling him that he's gay could expose him to widespread ridicule among younger voters, however.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Jun 2020 #1,264
And some more interesting titbits:

The bookies have (by a considerable margin) Duda winning by less than 14.5% over Trzaskowski in the first round. It means that they're pretty confident that Duda won't score a knockout (i.e. 45%+) in the first round.

And...I've just spotted that Duda has invited Biedroń and his mother to the Presidential Palace tomorrow, as well as another LGBT person. What on earth is he doing?
mafketis 24 | 9,361
16 Jun 2020 #1,265
What on earth is he doing?

Has Georgette struck again? If so, credit where credit is due - she's more effective than the entire EU machinery...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Jun 2020 #1,266
It seems that she has! She's denied it on Twitter, but it's clearly obvious that they've been told to back down, judging by the very sudden change in tone.

I find her to be an incredible ambassador to be honest - she takes absolutely no nonsense from anyone in the Polish government, and the way that she defends American interests is fantastic. I remember how sceptical people were of her appointment, but I think she's proved beyond doubt that she was the right pick for the job. If anything, I'd say that with her skills, she's wasted in Poland when she could easily succeed in a higher profile position.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
16 Jun 2020 #1,267
she's more effective

Indeed, Georgette IS a powerful woman in Poland. I like her as a person (and as a woman) very much.

they've been told to back down, judging by the very sudden change in tone.

Peut-être this was her job, but on the other hands those PiS clowns must have realized they've gone too far with their Adolph-like comments towards the LGTB people and that it may harm Duda's election results
Lazarus 1 | 114
16 Jun 2020 #1,268
she could easily succeed in a higher profile position.

Hopefully she will, after both regimes have than fallen.
amiga500 2 | 206
17 Jun 2020 #1,269
completely Soviet blind faith in "infrastructure" without actually researching

It seems what every smart country is doing to stave off an economic depression, in Australia we have brought forward several massive projects. Its not just CPK and the Kanał. Its Rail Baltica, Via Carpatia, Gdansk Port upgrades etc. Basically infrastructure investment that helps bring Poland into the Tier A of European countries, versus the PO vision of keeping Poland where it is and focusing on trivial issues such as money for ecological home renovations
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
17 Jun 2020 #1,270
Some interesting analysis:

If you don't include "new" voters in the second round, Duda wins 51.4% to 48.6% against Trzaskowski.

However, if the new voters break 60-40% in favour of Trzaskowski, the second round is a draw. It seems now that the second round campaign will be critical, hence why Duda hasn't made any promises as he'll need to keep them in reserve.

Some suggestions coming through that Duda will take up to 2% of Bosak's declared support in the first round as well, which seems credible.

From another political scientist:

Duda: 41.2%
Trzaskowski: 30.1%
Hołowina: 10.2%
Crow 146 | 9,109
17 Jun 2020 #1,271
What is role of brat Corey Lewandowski on elections? Whom he support?

Duda: 41.2%
Trzaskowski: 30.1%

Good. Weaponry must flow. Duda, Orban and Vucic are most powerful trio of Central Europe.
Lenka 3 | 2,558
17 Jun 2020 #1,272
What is role of brat Corey Lewandowski on elections?

None
Crow 146 | 9,109
17 Jun 2020 #1,273
It is rather sad then. And brat Mike Corwin? Where is he in the game?
Lenka 3 | 2,558
17 Jun 2020 #1,274
And brat Mike Corwin?

Who is he?
mafketis 24 | 9,361
17 Jun 2020 #1,276
Where is he in the game?

Out of his frickin' mind.... like always.
Crow 146 | 9,109
17 Jun 2020 #1,277
Dobri brat Korwin Mikke is famous. Practically symbol of Poland. I hope he takes some money in politics.

BDW, do anybody speaks of brat Tusk during the elections? What is his influence on Poland`s politics?

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You know, brat Tusk is in constant contact with brat Vucic. These two Serbs have plans for all of us.
Ironside 50 | 10,935
17 Jun 2020 #1,278
Georgette IS a powerful woman

Which is a shame. Why the hell those people let her lord over there. PIS licking some clown shoes and PO anyone ass. Freaks.
You are OK with that. You are a joke.

If so, credit where credit is due

Yankee - Commie Go home! Calling a dude from the south but you deserve it.

I find her to be an incredible ambassador to be honest -

What is so incredible about her? The fact that all those pollical heads in Poland let her do it and she get away with it? That has nothing to do with her that has a lot to do with the state Poland is in. Hey aren't you bragging about Polish passport and all. How can you stand that some harlot is given so much to say about internal Polish affixers. You have no integrity don't you? I guess our American friends on PF are spot on when in comes to define Brits in Poland.
amiga500 2 | 206
17 Jun 2020 #1,279
Bosak explicitly says he will not support Trashkowski in the second round. Says that PO once supported entrepreneurs, but have betrayed those ideals, have compromised themselves with various scandals and are tied to the extreme left.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,272
17 Jun 2020 #1,280
Oh my God! Ironside's nck has grown so red after reading about Georgette. He would prefer to have a nice Soviet ambassador in Poland instead.

Hoot !
Spike31 2 | 2,099
17 Jun 2020 #1,281
@Ironside is right. The role of an ambassador is to act as a link between two countries and not interfering in an internal politics of another country. Georgette Mosbacher needs to know her place.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
17 Jun 2020 #1,282
@Spike31
LOL and Duda needs to know his. He bowed to Trump, and PiS will lick the boots of America because they are so weak. They are dependent on the American military presence and begging to build Fort Trump. Only the USA doesn't want to pay for it, and Poland is too busy giving money to TVP to afford it.

The fact that this woman, who is doing an excellent job for her country, can because Trump told her to, control the rhetoric from Duda and PiS tells everyone everything they need to know. She controlled Duda and PiS with their big "platform" in less than 72 hours from his homophobic rant. Thats the President of Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
17 Jun 2020 #1,283
They are dependent on the American military presence and begging to build Fort Trum

Exactly, you can't simultaneously affect attitudes of 'none of your business!' and 'please protect us!' (and be taken seriously)

To be clear, I'm not necessarily glad that an ambassador has such an outsized influence but... on the other hand, compare her to the EU. The EU huffs and puffs and goes into endless committee meetings and powerless rhetoric and is generally completely ineffective in modifying PiS policy, Georgette knocks on the door and gets more done in a couple of days than the EU has in six years....

I'd love it if they sent her to Saudi Arabia or Turkey...
Spike31 2 | 2,099
17 Jun 2020 #1,284
He bowed to Trump, and PiS will lick the boots of America because they are so weak.

you can't simultaneously affect attitudes of 'none of your business!' and 'please protect us!'

Less emotions and more clear thinking. The role of ambassador is to link two countries. The decision making process is up to President and Parliaments.

Duda-Trump connection works because it is of benefit for both sides: thanks to Poland The US can put pressure on the EU, Germany especially, and also they can keep the presence in Central Europe and keep Russia in check.

And for Poland the main benefit is that we can break the fatal Germano-Russian connection done over our head. And to build Intermarium 3SI innitiative that would otherwise be jeopardized by both: Germany and Russia, because it goes against their best interest, and would be very difficult for Poland without American cooperation.
mafketis 24 | 9,361
17 Jun 2020 #1,285
Duda-Trump connection works because it is of benefit for both sides: thanks to Poland T

That's just the thing - the anti-homo stuff was of no use to Trump (who doesn't care about that kind of cultural issue which is why he's president). It would be bad optics in the US to get close to a country that ramps up the anti gay rhetoric.

I'm sure all Georgette did was say "Andrzej, you need to choose. Do you want to keep bashing the queers or do you want US support? You can't have both." (in much nicer diplomatic terms, I'm sure). And Duda (or more likely JK) chose.

What's the problem?
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
17 Jun 2020 #1,286
There is no Duda Trump connection. Trump might be a senile fool but he will still only want to deal with the real boss - doing anything other than a handshake and a grin with Adrian is beneath his pay grade.
Crow 146 | 9,109
17 Jun 2020 #1,287
thanks to Poland The US can put pressure on the EU, Germany especially, ...

Why would Poland want to exist as a client state? Why not balance, its own policy and partnership with all? As a client state, Poland is only predestined to be strongly in the hands of the Vatican. Look how the Vatican triggered the destruction of Yugoslavia and separated Catholic Serbs from Orthodox. Learn. Escape them.

They probably put Poland in a dangerous situation and then saving Poland.

I personally look forward to Poland of the new Commonwealth and Sarmatism.
amiga500 2 | 206
17 Jun 2020 #1,288
anyone going to watch the debate tonight?
Crow 146 | 9,109
17 Jun 2020 #1,289
Ah, debate. Please provide info as soon as you have some. 28th June, the day of Svetovid is closer and closer. We would see the results of the elections. I am so excited.
Lenka 3 | 2,558
17 Jun 2020 #1,290
@amiga500
I'm thinking about it. Usually I try to avoid serious matters in the evening but I'm tempted. Not that it will change my mind...

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