Poles say a big YES to our European Union

OK, let's start with a fact that the EU is NOT United States of Europe. The EU is NOT, and will never be, a federation. The latest German constitutional court ruling has proved that beyond any doubt.

The EU is only a politico-economic union which has insatiable appetite to swallow sovereignty of its members which is strongly opposed, especially by Poland and Hungary. And if we drop a "politico" from it it could have a bright future and be accepted by all the members and a form of free european market with no strings attached.

Well....the United States of America didn't start out united either....there had even been wars leading to and keeping this unification.


It can only be a federation...as in United States of Europe! :)

Nobody said the unification of Europe will be easy or anytime soon!

Is Germany ready for another war to "unify" Europe? Keine grenzen

I doubt most are ready for it now....it's a generational progress...people will grow into it.

Sorry, even if you combine that with TESCO, it won't work... no new Reich for you, my freund ;) And the notion that you can somehow reject both the US and China, having hostile Ivan and Turkey at your gates at the same time, is quite silly.

....well....then the US will have to keep on "feeding" us! So you better hope we make it work...so we can pull our own weight.

And it's not us rejecting the US, it's Trump rejecting the EU. But he will be gone sooner or later and the relationship can normalize again.

It would be better for both of us if we start rejecting China together. I'm not so sure about a hostile "Ivan" though....

Most people see the benefits, hence the particularly high approval rating that the EU gets here in Poland.

In Germany, most likely. I have good memories from the army. We've practised dynamic shooting with assault rifles and pistols, trained BAS hand to hand army combat system (later on when I took civilian full-contact Kickboxing lessons it felt like a child play to me), even had a paramedic training. The army kept me fit, focused and dysciplined. It trained me how to stay cool headed and focused in frantic situations. And since we learned combat techniques it is only natural to use those skills for a good purpose in the future.

Now the army is fully professional and contract-based.
Back then it was mandatory service for young men. A school of life. We are still young men in our mid 30's. And now there are voluntary based terrytorial defense units created in 2016 which attact young men to a military service.


And in Poland people are growing into healthy nationalism. It is a generational progress. I think you believe too much in marxist determinism and Fukutama's "end of history" nonsense. "Liberal democracy" (as named by various groups of socialist since it doesn't have much to do with Liberalism in traditional sense) is not the only, nor natural, way for the societies to follow.

"Growing into"? Seriously? Nationalism is a kind of new thing for Poles???


Na ja...it's like with socialism vs. capitalism.....capitalism won because it made more people happy than socialism. And liberal democracy is so successful because it also makes more people happy than a dictatorship or a kingdom or any other tried form of governance.

It might be that there will be another, even more successful form of society and economy....but I don't now of any yet.

he said healthy nationalism kraut. stop being dense.

So, the polish nationalism of old was "unhealthy"?

Very often yes...

No, it's a traditional and natural way for Poles. What I mean is that the young generation found a solid connection with their roots and rich history. Something which was discouraged or at least distorted first by the communist and later by post-commies painted as "liberals"

That's nice!

It's the young generations that most strongly support EU membership.

and vote for PiS and Konfederacja..

Yes, the EU, but not the United States of Europe...

Which doesn't exist.


Which does, and which Poland joined after a democratic vote, and which receives particularly high approval ratings from Poles now.

As usual, more lies from the Aussie Polonia. A majority of people aged 18-29 voted for opposition parties, not including Konfederacja.

Yet. And there are certain Bratwurst Boys, inside and outside of Poland, who are pushing for US of E ;) Sadly, that is a real danger.


So does the currently ruling regime :) Somhow those things don't contradict each other as you tried to suggest in the beginning of this thread.

For whom?

Not really. Of course, I suspect your orders only include references to polls carried out by Do Rzeczy and similar.

Any sane person, possibly trying to avoid destruction of the EU.


And I'm sure you are delusional as always. But no matter how hard you try the reality will catch up with you sooner or later.

Not nearly as much support as the EU; and of course on internal party politics, voters are notoriously fickle.

Good you admit it's a regime though...

Can you provide any source? As far as I can remember Konfederacja won among young generations.. later was PiS, PO, Razem...


You are having a pointless argument... with yourself. Can't you just admit that you wrote a load of BS and move on?

Yes, from the exit poll:

sonar.wyborcza.pl/sonar/7,156422,25304241,wybory-2019-koalicja-trzyma-sie-tylko-dzieki-mlodym.html

For the sake of making it easy to quote:

18-29 - KO/PSL/Lewica (52%) / PiS/Konfederacja (46.4%)
30-39 - KO/PSL/Lewica (53.3%) / PiS/Konfederacja (45.1%)
40-49 - KO/PSL/Lewica (53.9%) / PiS/Konfederacja (45%)
50-59 - KO/PSL/Lewica (45.4%) / PiS/Konfederacja (53.8%)
60+ - KO/PSL/Lewica (42.7%) / PiS/Konfederacja (56.7%)

It's a fascinating look at how Polish politics are played out - probably older voters rely more on TV (hence ~80% going to PiS/KO), while younger voters are much more internet savvy and able to decide for themselves, resulting in the vote being effectively split 4 ways.

There was some data somewhere showing that the youngest voters went heavily to Konfederacja and Lewica, but I don't remember where I've seen it now.

The only time the young vote went to PiS was when they put JK and AM on ice and pretended they were becoming a sane Christian Democrat party with Szydło in charge (who seemed to be growing into the role of a party leader who resonated with a lot of the public)... that lasted until two seconds after the election and they lost the youth vote.

PiS certainly isn't a party with broad support among younger voters.


Do try harder; this thread is about how popular (i.e.very) the EU is in Poland.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You either can't or won't acknowledge what you claimed earlier.

For you yes, especially since you have a. nothing sensible to say, and b. are trying to take the thread off topic.

And it still doesn't affect the verified fact that most people here support EU membership.