WOSP in Poland

To be clear, I'm pretty sure this will turn out to be a case of severe mental illness... (which largely goes untreated in Poland for budget and social stigma reasons) but just an awful thing - I'm hoping this makes WOSP stronger.

It wouldn't surprise me. There's huge issues in Poland with mental health issues and prisoners (as you say), and someone who allowed himself to believe the non-stop propaganda could easily be led to believe that Adamowicz was responsible for imprisoning him.

Looking at this, I'm not so sure.

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Appears to have been a typical muscle chav who liked dirty business. I wouldn't rule out the mental illness part on the grounds that Polish prisons are hardly nice places, but I'd suspect that it was just a matter of revenge.

possibly aggravated by non-stop PiS attacks against the judicial system (enough to make the worst criminal think they'd been unfairly treated.....)

I'm now a lifetime supporter of WOSP

If anyone wants to donate to the charity event that President Adamowicz was appearing at, you can do so here - en.wosp.org.pl/fundacja/jak-wspierac-wosp/wesprzyj-online

His state is still critical and the next few hours are crucial. Next update is supposed to be around 12

At midnight WOSP had 9 mln more than at the same time year ago..

At midnight WOSP had 9 mln more than at the same time year ago..

hmm ....isn't the duty of the organizer to provide security for the event. If not I suppose the mayor has his onw team, I'm not surprised by the lax security and low standards those two organization brings to the table. I'm sure there will be more of hysterical yapping and finger pointing and every each moron will blame his or her pollical foe. That is all BS.

Let's face facts - they have low security standards. losers.

Security company was hired and the organisers followed the law about organising mass event. From what I read the guy had 'media' pass.

Btw, mayors and such tend to go around without security in Poland.

Well Krystyna Pawlowicz has shown a remarkable lack of basic human emotions, blaming Owsiak for inciting hatred along with some loser blogger guy with not a single word of sympathy for the victim... and she calls herself a Christian?!

At least most of the establishment (Duda, Morawiecki etc) have been making appropriate comments.


One of the dirty little secrets of 'security' companies is that they're not actually supposed to do anything - their presence is necessary for insurance purposes but they're usually instructed to not try to apprehend anyone...

Somebody should have been there with a taser to take this loser guy out as soon as he took out the knife... From one witness report I'm thinking he was on something (jacked himself up to get the nerve).

The real question now is how did he have a media pass?

It's normal to point fingers when there's been a serious crime.


From you, already. From the courts we can expect more reasoned analysis.


If he had a press card, this is a serious question.

The knife was 14,5 cm long. Or is "Wyborcza" lying again?

I agree with Ironside, the question remains, where was the security?

There isn't much of a question. Mayors do not generally have much in the way of security, and normal event security is not infallible, especially security at a charity concert in the face of a very determined and violent thug with the element of surprise in their favour.

The president died. He served Gdansk since 1998.

Desperately sad news, that an elected official is murdered because of their role.

well,it looks like Owsiak and Adamowicz broke the law in regards of mass gathering legislation.
it seems like WOSP didnt request permission for mass gathering,which is required,and then Adamowicz allow this mass gathering,without requesting police to provide security,which is mandatory in mass gathering event.

to cut this short,if this was done with accord of law,there would be police present on this event.possibly able to prevent this crime.why they broke the law ? it has to be investigated

That reads unfortunately as if you're trying and failing to relativise the blame for the murder, and suggest some culpability on the part of the organisers and the victim!

One person is responsible; the murderer.

And his family and friends that knew he was mentally unstable and did not get him professional help or not having him committed.

You could probably say that about most terrorists.


Harder than you'd think. You can't just sign a paper to have a friend or relative detained against their will.

Paweł Adamowicz has just died. RIP.

no.
organizer and security is also to blame..partly at least..or possibly.
this guy had media badge for example...all this event was indeed by law book, unlawful..someone took shortcut and didnt do proper paperwork..as result,police was banned from this event.

RIP. He was a good Mayor, very popular in Gdansk.


if this is true, he had a reason (and an ability) to be up there at the front.


No. If the murderer was in the relevant area on a press card, no amount of paperwork or police at the event would have changed that.

how do you know that? regulations are made for reasons..to prevent or at least minimize risk..maybe potential murderer would get scared by simply police being present nearby?

you got really stupid argument..what if mass panic arouse and hundred people could die cus there were no police around? or murdered decided to kill more people?

they broke the law ,simple
probably dodgy Owsiak made money on that.i bet

Not usually from the press corps or others specifically invited to be very close to the performance..


I don't see any argument. I just see you rather tastelsessly trying to relativise a murder.

not even a murder...i just read official statement from police.that this guy was indeed mentally ill..and had it diagnosed mental illness

No but you can sign one explaining the threats or unstable thinking of such a person.
The police will investigate and most times order a mental evaluation (it doesn't take much) on them to see if they are a threat to themselves or society.

If that is determined they are ordered in house treatment for more evaluations.
That is how it works here anyways.
We must now pray for the family to have understanding and strength through this hard time for them.

You're still trying to relativise this. A much loved Mayor of Gdansk being killed by a disturbed individual is a tragedy and a political assassination.

And yes, it's murder unless the killer is able to prove otherwise.


It works a little differently in Poland, in theory and even more in practice. We also don't know much about the circumstances of his family, what sort of people they are, or whether or not the political assassin had had prior treatment.


Yes, and also for the family of the murderer as well as the victim. We should equally remember his party coleagues and workers who will doubtlessly be distressed.

much loved? he was quite controversial in regards of obeying the law.
ironic ,that this disrespect of law killed him at the end.one cheat too many

RIP indeed. Adamowicz was one of the good guys, who knew exactly what was required to reinvigorate a failing shipbuilding port in a post communist despoiled metropolis, who helped Gdansk to secure its reputation as one of the most tolerant places to live - where people are empowered to show respect for their fellow citizen, and the spirit of solidarity still lives.

Condolences to everyone who respected and who loved him.