WOSP in Poland

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feel sorry for mentally ill people.i might come across abit cynic but that just internet.
to tell you the truth i worked as project worker for charity,with mental health people for years.
there are more info bout this guy..he suffered since childhood,and it well could be state system failure.instead provide him with professional help,they locked him in jail to save money..professional specialist help cost fortune.

here info from hes mother: wiadomosci.wp.pl/zabojca-pawla-adamowicza-mial-schizofrenie-paranoidalna-niedawno-odstawil-leki-6338467136469121a
paranoid schizophrenia,not treated for years...
beside,he got 5 years for stealing 10k -thats severe punishment for such crime.
looks like state lock him up, to get rid of schizophrenic of the street rather than give professional help .problem solved...well kinda

Gregy, are you retarded or trolling?
It doesn't say that he had his arm broken - just that it was "injured". We don't know what kind of injury it was and how serious it was. It could be strained because the technician grabbed him by his arm and then threw him down to the floor.

He didn't have his "face" broken. He had his nose broken. Which, yes, I can imagine could happen when thrown to the floor face down by a scared, ordinary citizen completely untrained for this kind of situation, with an adrenaline rush trying to save kids from a raging maniac with a combat knife.

The police didn't say that he was injured by the security. They said that "he probably sustained the injuries when he was being overpowered on the stage or perhaps also when he was being brought down from the platform". So they don't know. Or the police beat him up and they're lying. I wasn't there and, unlike you, I'm not all-knowing and I simply don't know.

He was overpowered first by the stage technician. He put him on the floor. I saw that on TV. And then some other guy through away the knife. Whether he dropped the knife himself - I don't know - it was too far away to see. It didn't look brutal to me and he didn't look like he was resisting. And as I wrote - he didn't look beaten up when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage.

o dear,how conveniently ,you omitted fact that hes in hospital and got convulsion..
you said yourselves that he looked fine on stage...see?,something else must have happened after that,outside view of people and cameras.


am alfa and omega.so when i write,you just believe and dont question my brilliance

One witness said he seemed proud of himself right after the stabbing when he was claiming to have been tortured... madness is very scary.

He robbed 3 or 4 banks while threatening them with a fun...And you call 5 years a severe punishment?

not a gun but "straszak" and all he got like 2 -4 k zlotych each time.copper money,,still,he was ill

Autocorrect, should read 'gun' of course

No, I didn't omit anything, gregy. I've pointed out that you've exaggerated his injuries. Be more accurate/honest next time.
Yes, he looked fine to me when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage. But it was brief. I saw his face only once, on BBC. That's all I can say.

Yes, something could happen outside of view of people and cameras. Maybe he was beaten up - by the security guards or the police. Maybe the injuries happened at the stage when he was being overpowered. A broken nose doesn't have to be a very severe and visible injury. In Polish language it could just mean a fracture of the bone.

As I wrote - I wasn't there and I don't know what exactly happened.
You don't know either.
And I don't have an agenda. It looks to me that you do.


You mean the blonde woman who was there with her kid? Yes, she said he looked "happy", as far as I remember...

oh yea,of course..Putin pays me.
how come, someone doesn't agree with brutal beating of mentally ill people?strange.must have an agenda.probably get money from Russia.

Gregy, by "agenda" I mean your right wing bias, not that you're a troll paid by Putin. You're simply not being objective and trying hard to blame everything on "Owsiak". Even the way the killer was treated by the security or whomever. "Owsiak" or "libtards" didn't brake his nose.

Well okay then! By all means don't imprison 'ill' people who rob others!

because he is to blame,and that why he resign..he knows that.
he was required by the law to register this as mass event..he didnt do it..why?
because then the law required him to provide certain security measures,such as:
licensed security trained with disarming,ect. putting barriers between stage and people,certain number of security.and so on.there are tuff requirements for the event of this scale.

he broke the law,and adamowicz let him do it,to save money,and hired few guys and no serious security measures implemented.

no..cus you making it much worse for everyone.
prison guard doesnt understand why ill person behave the way he does,so he use force.beatings,punishments,isolation ect.
on the other hand,mentally ill person doesnt understand why hes being punished,since he doesnt know what hes doing wrong.he said he was being beaten in prison. didn't he?

dead circle that lead to worsen illness.not to mention hazard to other inmates,
then such mental ill person get out and hes state is much worse from frustration and suffering he had.
mental ill person should be in hospital,where professionals try to make hes symptoms mild or manageable.
is it hard to understand?

Gregy, whether Owsiak/the organisers somehow broke the law - I don't know - I haven't heard anyone claim that, even PiS politicians. I imagine it's going to be checked/investigated.

But you can't accuse people right and left without knowing who did what. You're behaving like a kid.
And the organisers didn't hire "a few guys", but a security firm.
Do you think that Owsiak, as a chairman of one of the biggest charities in Poland, knows which city hires which firm for security? I don't know. Do you? I kind of doubt that, to be honest. Do you know in how many cities these concerts are taking place? It was even in Kielce. What kind of security was here? I have no idea. Noone died though, fortunately, as usual, because I think the concert takes place every year even in my city.

Being mentally ill doesn't absolve you or makes you immune to punishment. It doesn't even mean he was fuzzy about what he was doing.

In prison he would be under medical care and they would make sure he takes his drugs so no 'doesn't understand why he's being punipunished '

While on drugs he would be pretty normal and that's why he would stop taking them after he gets out anf have delusions and kill someone.

depends of nature of illness..in severe mental illness,you dont even stand trial,let alone being punished
its called "unfit to stand trial".just google

Gregy, a quote from Polish Wikipedia (my translation):

"In every voivodeship there is local WOŚP staff responsible for preliminary counting of money raised by subordinate volunteers and then sending them to WOŚP account. The local staff is also responsible for organising local WOŚP finale concerts in bigger cities in Poland. Local WOŚP staff is also operating outside of Poland to cater for the needs of Poles living abroad."

I'm not sure if you realise how big this is. Owsiak wasn't in Gdańsk. The local staff in Gdańsk was responsible for organising the concert and taking care of the security.

sweetheart,legally registered organization that is applying to organize an event is responsible not some"local staff"
"local stuff " might be delegated by organization to take care of things,but they are not some separate entity by the law. Owsiak might delegate whoever he wants,even green man from mars.but by the law,he and hes organization is responsible,.

"local stuff" is not separate organization and not recognized by authority or the law. dont push blame on some local others.he was the one who appointed local people.and they acted with hes or hes people directions

there we go: rmf24.pl/fakty/atak-na-prezydenta-Gdanska-Pawla-Adamowicza/news-wszczeto-odrebne-sledztwo-dotyczace-organizacji-finalu-wosp,nId,2782703

Yes, he was very popular. Elected Mayor of Gdańsk several times. This is a picture of the crowds who came out tonight.

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he was somehow less popular in revenue office.

Heartbreaking the whole of Poland is in shock along with me and the wife, this sort of thing just does not happen here, horrible, the local radio station broke into the middle of a record that was playing to announce his loss in such a terrible way.

Gregy, I think it's you who's really into pushing the blame on Owsiak personally because of your hate for him. I just translated a fragment from Wikipedia.

It was you who claimed that "he probably hired some antifa thugs as security,to scam more money".
It was you who wrote that "looks like them nasty libtard Owsiaks security,handcuffed and brutally beaten mentally ill person".
You wrote: "shame on Owsiak scammer.hes greed was to blame."

So now you're blaming him not for being greedy, not for hiring "a few antifa guys" for security, not for what the security did or did not but for hiring the wrong local stuff?

What if he didn't personally hire the local staff? What if he has staff for hiring local staff?
Sorry, but I think you're obsessed with this man.

Thanks for that jon. Great community spirit. There has to be some message of hope in all of this. It's all very well for Gregy to state the possible mindset of an individual, but the mayor of Gdansk was so hated by the PIS establishment that it's going to be no simple matter for public figures to put that to one side, especially if incitement is found to have been a factor in this premeditated act.


Er...no. They found after extensive audit that he was liable for 40,000 zl. Most Poles will have underpaid their tax etc by more than this figure over the years.

Must do better.

Yes, jon, thanks for the photo... I prayed for him. I hoped he would make it... We all did... It was a shock.

no my friend,you mixed all things..
hatred is when you blame group of people for the crime of severely mentally ill person.as you doing this now.
there are many crimes committed by mentally ill people and about 800 murders a year in Poland.
and guess what?PIS have nothing to do with em.
gotta be sick hate spitting person to blame PIS for that..and thats YOU.


AND i also hope that all this thing is not put aside and investigated properly..Owsiak knows this as well...thats why he quit

I meant that it doesn't give you a free pass for anything you want to do. Of course there are cases when a mental illness gives you out of jail card but clearly it didn't apply here so I don't see why it should matter here?

yea,...and hes daughter 2 apartments and no income

I'm not going to translate the whole fragments now, but according to this link: tvn24.pl/organizacja-finalu-wosp-w-gdansku-jakie-przepisy-zastosowano,900368,s.html

the organisers say that the concert was qualified as a non-mass event by the city authorities (who didn't comment on that). The organisers also got a green light (a positive opinion) from the police in Gdańsk. Also, according to documents (the permits) the requirements concerning the security were analogous with those for mass events.

The organisers obliged the security firm in their contract to treat the concert as a mass event (so I guess they have it in writing).

Został zorganizowany na podstawie przepisów Prawa o ruchu drogowym, z czym wiążą się mniej restrykcyjne wymogi bezpieczeństwa. Organizatorzy zapewniają, że wynajęta firma ochroniarska została mimo to zobowiązana, by koncert traktować jak imprezę masową (tvn24.pl)

and thats clear.isnt it? and i dont care what organizers claim..its might not be true..it remain to be seen.
what is clear that they were required by the law to register and follow mass event requirements and procedure and not using some public transport dodgy way around as they did.

there is clear path,procedure and requirements to follow,and they didnt for whatever reason..


they got permission and green light from police to organize whatever they were applying for..thats how it work.
they requested some minor road obstruction and used transport legislation as ground and police gave them permission to obstruct road.. they didnt officially request permission for mass event so Police couldn't possibly agree for mass event as you claim they did.


thats not enough and thats just silly way to excuse braking the law.there are more thing one must provide,such as barriers,first aid point,toilets ,information centre,ect.