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Poland - Third World Country??


AdamKadmon 2 | 508
23 Mar 2011 #241
Third World Traveler:

In the fifteenth century, Europe began to divide, the west developing and the east becoming its service area, the original third world. The divisions deepened into early 20th century. After the October revolution, Russia extricated itself from the system. Despite Stalin's awesome atrocities and the terrible destruction of the wars, the Soviet system did undergo significant industrialization. Until 1989 Russia was the second world.

Into the 1960s, Western leaders feared that Russia's economic growth would inspire "radical nationalism" elsewhere, and that others too might be stricken by the disease that infected Russia in 1917, when it became unwilling "to complement the industrial economies of the West," as a prestigious study group described the problem of Communism in 1955. The Western invasion of 1918 was therefore a defensive action to protect "the welfare of the world capitalist system," threatened by social changes within the service areas.


The Capitalist Destruction of Russia (US economic advice did what Hitler or atomic warfare couldn't.)
grubas 12 | 1,390
23 Mar 2011 #242
Very interesting but I am pretty sure there was no Russia from 1922 to 1991.
Barney 15 | 1,520
23 Mar 2011 #243
I am pretty sure there was no Russia from 1922 to 1991.

It was one of the 15 republics of the USSR that had an external border or coast.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
24 Mar 2011 #244
Joseph Stiglitz, American economist and a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001), the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank. Joseph Stiglitz is known for his critical view of the management of globalization, "free market fundamentalists" and some international institutions like the IMF and the World Bank. He compared the shock therapy in Russia to Bolshevism:

Exerpts from Stiglitz article: econc10.bu.edu/economic_systems/Theory/Transition/joseph_stiglitz.htm:

Historically the shock therapy approach to changing institutions is associated with Jacobinism in the French Revolution and (ironically) with Bolshevism in the Russian Revolution. There is an "Austrian" tradition of criticism of the Jacobin-Bolshevik approach to institutional change. Karl Popper's criticism [1962] of utopian social engineering and Friedrich Hayek's critique [1979] of the Jacobinic ambitions of scientism gave this tradition its modern Austrian flavor but the roots go back at least to Edmund Burke's [1937 (1790)] attack on Jacobinism in the French Revolution. Peter Murrell [1992] has explicitly used that tradition in his critique of the shock therapy approach. ...

Russian and Chinese Gross Domestic Product
Russian Growth and Inequality
commie
18 Jan 2012 #245
Merged: Is Poland third world?

Why are poles so desparate to move to the UK, Ireland and Germany? Polands economy is growing at a faster rate than the EU. Working in a factory in Corby or Peterborough isn't going to make your life much better.Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK but you need skills or qualifications to move there. I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot.
peterweg 37 | 2,320
18 Jan 2012 #246
Why are poles so desparate to move to the UK, Ireland and Germany?

Simple answer, they are not. If they were 'desperate' they would have moved, but 95% of Poles are still in Poland. The number of Poles moving to Germany is very small, a few tens of thousands, any that wanted to travel have already done so.

Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK but you need skills or qualifications to move there.

Last time I checked the most desirable skills for Australia were laying concrete and cutting hair.
hythorn 3 | 580
18 Jan 2012 #247
I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot.

you'll be missed
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Jan 2012 #248
I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot.

Don't say goodbye, just promise you'll never come back.

Though somehow I doubt they'd let you in.
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
18 Jan 2012 #249
Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK

We don't need better country to live. Some of us need a little more money to finish a house or for newer car etc.
commie
18 Jan 2012 #250
Maybe the steroids are better in the UK that's why they like to come here. I've noticed by gym is full of steroid abusers. I own property in Poland so I hope it continues to develop. Those russian built flats are a bargain.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
18 Jan 2012 #251
Though somehow I doubt they'd let you in.

British citizens can get an unlimited working holiday visa for Oz. Once he can prove he can provide for himself for a month, he is n.
modafinil - | 418
18 Jan 2012 #252
Not to sure its unlimited. Quite a few provisos - have to be 18-30 yo and take temp jobs 6 month max with the same employer and max stay of 2 years.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
18 Jan 2012 #253
Yes, you are right and I am wrong.

Still pretty easy to go over there and get sponsorship before the visa expires.
pawian 195 | 19,915
18 Jan 2013 #254
Poland HDI (Human Development Index) is around 8.50 (don't remember exactly) which belongs to a rich country.

2011
Poland - 0.813
Great Britain - 0.863
USA - 0,910


WestPommern - | 1
5 Feb 2013 #255
Don't know if you noticed, but Czech Republic's HDI is higher than Great Britain's.
Czech Republic - 0.865
United Kingdom - 0.863
bullfrog 6 | 602
6 Feb 2013 #256
And both are below Slovenia and.. Israel...
APF 4 | 106
6 Feb 2013 #257
Poland is not really a Third World country .. but it is of course also not a emerging country .. and First World country I dont even dare to mention ..

Poland looks like North Korea, Poland is like a lower version of East Germany .. I would compare Poland today to East Germany in the 90 s.
smurf 39 | 1,981
6 Feb 2013 #258
What a horribly condescending remark.
And absolute nonsense to boot.
Poland is quite obviously a 'first-world' country, to even suggest that it isn't is widely far of the mark and frankly idiotic.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
6 Feb 2013 #259
Poland looks like North Korea, Poland is like a lower version of East Germany .. I would compare Poland today to East Germany in the 90 s.

under normal circumstances i might suspend you for flaming, but it's obvious you are just a fool ... and i can't suspend you for that.
jon357 71 | 21,107
6 Feb 2013 #260
Poland is not really a Third World country ..

An upper-middle income country. And how do you know what Democratic Korea looks like? Been there?
ismellnonsense - | 118
6 Feb 2013 #261
I would compare Poland today to East Germany in the 90 s.

anyone
and i mean anyone
who knows anything
knows that isnt true

frankfurt oder is a great example
it is horrible suburbs
meanwhile the polish side is fine
and housing more expensive

quite obviously you live in NRW and have never been to poland
either that
or eisenhuttenstadt
APF 4 | 106
6 Feb 2013 #262


Where does it look like in this video in Frankfurt/Oder???
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013 #263
Do they have mines there too?
Gringo
29 Jan 2016 #264
Definitely Poland is third world country. Very low salaries,non existing social safety net,corrupted healthcare system and starving people are all indication of a third world country. I mean with average salary of $400 A MONTH Poland is on Philipines level and no sane person would deny that Philipines is a third world country.

I heard of people in Poland working for 3 zloty/hr! That's like $.70/hr! 70 CENTS PER HOUR! 10 TIMES less than minimum wage in America.
dolnoslask
29 Jan 2016 #265
Gringo "Definitely Poland is third world country. Very low salaries,non existing social safety net,corrupted healthcare system and starving people are all indication of a third world country."

Keep up the good work, A slander a day keeps the migrant away.
Kennyboy 1 | 47
29 Jan 2016 #266
dolno, I'm loving it, a slander a day made me chuckle, maybe what we all need to do is start some sort of global campaign suggesting that Poland is a terrible place to come to, maybe we can arrange for 500 footie fans with ''welcome immigrant'' signs to meet them at the train stations when they start to visit (I use the word ''visit because they won't be here long) I actually think it is an amazing place, people, culture, food, etc....... but don't tell the ''immigrants''
dolnoslask
29 Jan 2016 #267
"it is an amazing place" it is for sure but i can see how some visitors and migrants would find it hard here in Poland, we can be very stubborn even when we are wrong, a Polish girl who I recently met who's partner was English said that English people like to solve issues with discussion and diplomacy, but poles dive in with their fists, my translation may be a little harsh, but I got what she was saying, being in Poland does frustrate me and creates some contradictions of conscience at times after having grown up in the UK, but once you go with the flow, things are great here bit like being a kid in the 60's in the Uk, wild and free, it probably helps that my parents were Polish and I grew up in a Polish community.

But in answer, to Poland being third world, no it's not, but shhh keep it a secret.
Wulkan - | 3,243
30 Jan 2016 #268
I heard of people in Poland working for 3 zloty/hr!

I've heard that Elvis Presley is still alive!
pweeg3
30 Jan 2016 #269
hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

Poland has risen from 39 to 36 since 2011.

Not a Third World country by any means

UK has risen from 28 to 14, which is remarkable..
wróbelek
31 Jan 2016 #270
I just step by to add my 3 cents. I don't care what forigners think about Poland. I live in Rzeczpospolita for entire life (27 years now). Back in 90's there were some obstickles with finding job cause communism collapsed and some of companies stopped existing. People had to change qualifications, proffessions.From 2000's to 2016 we jumped on higher level of living. Unempleyment dropped to 10 % as far as I know and my environment changed too.All my friends,family members have job. Salaries are peanuts comparing to their western collegues but thats constantly changing.I'm talking right now about 27 years of freedom in Poland. Lets wait another 10-25 years you will see on your own eyes how my country is chaning. Government is bulding new bridges,highways,buldings etc.buying trains,trams,buses and renoveting old bulding etc. etc. if you say "hey Poland is third world country" You have no idea what are you talking about,no clue and you never been to my country. Hope your attitude to Poland will change too. Long live Poland!


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