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Poland - Third World Country??


JonnyM 11 | 2,620
11 Mar 2011 #181
Social exclusion, agoraphobia, divisiveness, ghettoisation, reduced civic involvement, isolation, decline of traditional communities and many more.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
11 Mar 2011 #182
Social exclusion, agoraphobia, divisiveness, ghettoisation and many more.

When I think of gated communities, i think of jamaca or South Africa, with proper guys with machine guns and all.
In Warsaw is it just a fence around a block that only the inhabitants can enter? or like a whole microcity?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
11 Mar 2011 #183
It ranges from one to the other. A secure apartment complex is just practical, however some are much larger. An extreme example is Marina Mokotow, a city within a city.
Bzibzioh
11 Mar 2011 #184
Food, and other basic necessities in Poland costs about 30% more than in the United States and gasoline costs twice as much in Poland as it does in the United States.

Comparing any European country to USA make no sense at all: prices in Europe are much higher due to higher salaries than in US.
Silesian
18 Mar 2011 #185
If people in Poland are making so much money, how come they're all coming to the United States to find work? Or better yet, remember when the Poles were going to Iceland and Ireland because the pay was so high? What happened there? suddenly those countries collapsed and the Poles are looking for another country to infiltrate. It reminds me of Mexicans illegally crossing the border to find work in the US. Fix your own country first, don't bring that backwards corrupted thinking here to the United States.
gumishu 12 | 6,103
18 Mar 2011 #186
Fix your own country first, don't bring that backwards corrupted thinking here to the United States.

what kind of corrupt thinking do you mean - btw have Americans themselves fixed their country yet? I thought it has been pretty messy lately
Ironside 51 | 11,338
18 Mar 2011 #187
Fix your own country first, don't bring that backwards corrupted thinking here to the United States.

Well, let me ask you a question who are you ? and who cares what you say?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
19 Mar 2011 #188
Well, let me ask you a question who are you ?

Probably a ****, who proposed some time ago on the forums that grand children of Germans, who used to live in Silesia, should have a right to decide about the region's independence.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #189
I am actually appalled at seeing so many people refer to Poland as a 'third world country',

They probably call it that because there are few social welfare programs and the government doesn't spend much. Third world countries are like that, so when a developed country does the same thing, it gets called third world, too.
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #190
They probably call it that because there are few social welfare programs and the government doesn't spend much.

I bet it has nothing to do with social welfare programs at all. But what do I know; I don't read Huffington Post faithfully like you do, so my general knowledge on the matter is seriously lacking.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #191
I bet it has nothing to do with social welfare programs at all.

Oh, it does, too. Also, the government not spending on other stuff, too. If the government isn't spending, it's easy to tell. People don't have as much income without those government contracts and stuff. Although it's shabby because private industry bilks the government out of millions, the money finds its way into the economy and a large percentage of the people have a higher standard of living. This, my friend, is the difference between first and third world countries :)
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #192
You are unreal, kid. Tell me that you are kidding, I'm begging you!!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #193
I know what I'm talking about. Society benefits from those lucrative government contracts. The money goes right into the local economies (where ever the money is spent from the contracts.) It's a micro economy!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204
19 Mar 2011 #194
Interesting concept....State welfare determines if a country is seen as first or third world?

I always thought the US is not as keen on welfare as...say...Germany. But nobody disputes that they have been for decades and still are the leading #1 of the developed, rich countries (finance crisis or not) and not Germany.

How come?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #195
BB, Germany does the same thing, I bet, and it has a really strong economy. Government spending can help an economy.

Also, Germany is much smaller than the US. If it were as big as the US, it would probably be the largest economy in the world.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204
19 Mar 2011 #196
BB, Germany does the same thing, I bet, and it has a really strong economy. Government spending can help an economy.

No...that wasn' the topic. I wondered about your statement that welfare decides the status of a country. As in the more the state spends the more developed it becomes.

I find that hard to believe...and alone your own country, the US, makes rather a good counter argument....I think...

Do you know that East Germany made a point out of a from-cradle-to-grave-welfare? They had been broke before 1989. Nobody ever thought to place them as a first world country!

(Actually all state controlled countries got broke sooner or later)

Welfare is nice...but only for those countries who can afford it...and to afford it they need a functioning, dynamic economy/society...not more welfare!
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #197
Society benefits from those lucrative government contracts.

And China is the biggest Greenpeace supporter.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #198
No...that wasn' the topic. I wondered about your statement that welfare decides the status of a country. As in the more the state spends the more developed it becomes.
I find that hard to believe...and alone your own country, the US, makes rather a good counter argument....I think...

Since the government started supporting private industry, the economy has grown by leaps and bounds in the US!!! If it wasn't for the government helping them out, things would be much worse than they are now. You wouldn't see nearly as much growth.

If it wasn't for Medicare, which is like social welfare, even though we all pay for it with a huge a$$ tax, seniors wouldn't be able to afford health insurance. You would have millions of grannies spending their life savings on doctors visits, meds, hospital stays, etc.

So yeah, the social programs do help.

Restructuring and government supported growth in new sectors are the key, BB. With that, you can't go wrong!
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
19 Mar 2011 #199
And China is the biggest Greenpeace supporter.

In the future it may well become just that. Things can change faster than you expect.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204
19 Mar 2011 #200
So yeah, the social programs do help.

PP...that wasn't the topic!

What about your statement "welfare = status"?

In the future it may well become just that. Things can change faster than you expect.

They will have to. They just brought a documentation to show how toxic big parts of China have become because of that unrestructed boom.
One reason they could expand so quickly and so cheaply is that the industry has had no environmental laws to fulfill.

Only recently the awareness is rising in China...but now millions of people are already heavily suffering from waste and toxine...lakes, rivers, forests...dying. It will soon become a huge problem!

...Despite a recent interest in environmental reform, pollution has made cancer the leading cause of death in 30 cities and 78 counties, the Ministry of Health says.[1]
Only 1 percent of the country's 560 million city inhabitants (2007) breathe air deemed safe by the European Union

PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #201
What about your statement "welfare = status"?

That is how it equals status, not just here, but in any country. Government has to prop up certain segments of the economy or very little growth occurs. That's just the way it goes. If government doesn't guide and support, the country doesn't experience growth. In all the big economies this happens. In every single one. If you want your country's economy to grow, you have to spend.

This is how it relates to the topic. If Poland wants to experience economic growth, it must spend a bit more.
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #203
In the future it may well become just that. Things can change faster than you expect.

Let's stick to reality in the meantime ...
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
19 Mar 2011 #204
reality

The reality is that China is changing faster that almost any other country has ever economically changed and on an unprecedented scale. China really was a 'third world' country a few decades ago - parts of it still are.

The only thing we can be sure about is that they have the capacity to surprise and shock us.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #205
On welfare!

;)

Call it what you will, but the biggest economies do it (US, Japan, Germany) except for China, but they can get away without doing it because they are a communist country.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204
19 Mar 2011 #206
The only thing we can be sure about is that they have the capacity to surprise and shock us.

Well...they started from the bottom...every small progress looks big now.
That should shock our developed countries who build up our society much more successful for much longer because...?
They are just following our lead...and not even very well. They could had started with a cleaner industry and avoided all our errors, but they didn't. Stupid, not shocking!
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #207
The only thing we can be sure about is that they have the capacity to surprise and shock us.

Much of China's supposed boom is illusory and is coming crashing down soon. They will shock us, alright.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Mar 2011 #208
That's when the government will have to do a bit more spending...
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
19 Mar 2011 #209
Stupid, not shocking!

Very - the shock will come later, be it the next Bhopal or Chernobyl.

Much of China's supposed boom is illusory and is coming crashing down soon. They will shock us, alright.

By remaining the workshop of the world for the next fifty years.
Bzibzioh
19 Mar 2011 #210
By remaining the workshop of the world for the next fifty years.

No, it's not going to last that long. They know they have serious problems: high unemployment, corruption, inflation, the housing bubble just to mention a few.


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