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Sex is patriotic: Poland's birth rate rises


Sandman 3 | 28
6 Apr 2011 #1
In Poland the average birth rate between the years 2003-2009 rose from 1.22 to 1.40, according to data from the European Union's statistics office, Eurostat, cited by Dziennik Gazeta Prawna.

According to experts, this is due to a growing trend among women over the age of 30 to sacrifice their careers and raise a family instead.

wbj.pl/article-54030-polands-birth-rate-rises.html
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
6 Apr 2011 #2
From artical:

2003-2009

That's soooo last decade.

According to experts, this is due to a growing trend among women over the age of 30 to sacrifice their careers and raise a family instead.

I am just glad they are not praying mantises where the male's head is sacrificed after intercourse.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
4 Jul 2011 #3
Although this article doesn't talk about Poland, this article is relevant to Poland being a fellow European country. I feel Poland should try to improve its demographics and increase its ethnic Polish population if it hopes to have a good future.

independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/richard-ehrman-europe-needs-to-start-addressing-its-demographic-problems-1736178.html

Moderator thanks for merging my new post into this older topic. They fit together well :)

I didn't know this interesting topic was already here.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
5 Jul 2011 #4
In Poland the average birth rate between the years 2003-2009 rose from 1.22 to 1.40

Should continue to rise. Weird how the undesirable (ugly) peoples of this planet have a lot of kids.
legend 3 | 664
5 Jul 2011 #5
1.4 thats it?! It needs to be way higher.

As it stands 'white man' is dying because of the low birthrates in Europe.
Alligator - | 261
5 Jul 2011 #6
It seems that we are even more patriotic in Great Britain:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366063/Polish-population-growing-faster- UK-Poland.html
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
5 Jul 2011 #7
The problem is the same all over Europe.

The economical equation will break within 20-30 years, if people do not start to make more children.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
5 Jul 2011 #8
birth rate will always be a huge issue in socialized countries.

even with a birthrate of 1.4, the actual number of Poles being born and going on to enter the work force and working for a lifetime in Poland, therefore paying into the socialized system.....is far less. there's emmigration, death, disabilities that prevent someone from working, people simply NOT working.....

gotta keep popping out kids and a country's citizens have to stay there and work their whole lives to keep social programs moving.
pawian 163 | 10,419
5 Jul 2011 #9
I always tell my students: if you are real patriots of Poland, get married, copulate and have 5 children.
Daisy 3 | 1,227
5 Jul 2011 #10
Has Crow been writing your scripts?
pawian 163 | 10,419
5 Jul 2011 #11
Has Crow been writing your scripts?

No, Raven wrote my scripts.

But the raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only,
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing further then he uttered - not a feather then he fluttered -

George8600 10 | 637
5 Jul 2011 #12
What's wrong with the Polish population now? A neutral birth-rate is just perfect...overpopulating for nationalistic reasons is so delusional. It's quality not quantity.
legend 3 | 664
5 Jul 2011 #13
Its not neutral when you compare it to the rest of the world.
Polands population is what 38.5 million?
in 2050 it will be 33.3 million.

Are you telling me thats a good thing?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
5 Jul 2011 #14
George8600 wrote:

A neutral birth-rate is just perfect

but it's not neutral, that's the point.

1.4 children being born for every 2 parents = a declining population. those parents then retire and each year, less and less people are around to support your retiring population.

nytimes.com/2006/09/04/world/europe/04prague.html

"After a long decline, birthrates in European countries have reached a historic low, as potential parents increasingly opt for few or no children. European women, better educated and integrated into the labor market than ever before, say there is no time for motherhood and that children are too expensive anyway. The result is a continent of lopsided societies where the number of elderly increasingly exceeds the number of young - a demographic pattern that is straining pension plans and depleting the work force in many countries. The European Union's executive arm, alarmed by the trend, estimates that, if birthrates remain this low, the bloc will have a shortfall of 20 million workers by 2030."
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
5 Jul 2011 #15
if birthrates remain this low, the bloc will have a shortfall of 20 million workers by 2030."

It is a serious problem.

There are discussions in Sweden as well now; how to increase the birth rate.

It is quite a big problem in almost all European countries. However, many non-european immigrants tend to have more children.
modafinil - | 418
5 Jul 2011 #16
There are discussions in Sweden as well now; how to increase the birth rate.

Have you tried sex?
legend 3 | 664
5 Jul 2011 #17
photius.com/rankings/world2050_rank.html

Looking at this almost all European countries will go down in population as the years go by.
Eastern Europe is heaviest hit.
Russia, Ukraine, Poland especially
Italy, Germany and Spain go down heavily too.

France and Britain as well (the whites) but will be kept fairly steady because of mass immigration.'

This isnt just a question of 'more sex'.

White people enjoy their fairly comfortable life. In many places sex is mostly for enjoyment and as for babies its a 'who cares' attitude.

In my neighbourhood there is so many people with only 1 child. Instead they have 3 cats and 2 dogs.
This mentality I dont like.
Even my cousins/uncles had 1 daughter and had 5 cats! Madness.
Natasa 1 | 580
5 Jul 2011 #18
Serbia, one woman 0,88 kids.

I have in impression that 0,88 is enough for new Gavrilo ;) (for Torq ;))
TheMan - | 56
5 Jul 2011 #19
'white man' is dying because of the low birthrates in Europe

Lol, not from what I saw in the street today in the UK. One woman, 8 kids oldest looked 20-something youngest was about 4. Looked like they were off to do their weekly shop at the off-license. And there's the woman who was even in the papers in the UK who was getting benefits for her 18 kids (some with THEIR own kids too) and two council houses earning more in benefits than she could get from any jobs she would be qualified for... She was in the papers cos she wanted a bigger house.

With these two women alone, the European population should do just fine :D
JozefKPilsudski 3 | 15
5 Jul 2011 #20
I think Poland's population needs to rapidly increase if we want to become a great power!
Marynka11 4 | 675
6 Jul 2011 #21
If that would be the only condition India would be leading the world for a while now.
ShawnH 8 | 1,509
6 Jul 2011 #22
There have been a couple of posters that would have you believe that is the case...
MediaWatch 10 | 945
6 Jul 2011 #23
If that would be the only condition India would be leading the world for a while now.

For nations with European populations its generally the case.

Germany and Russia don't have the biggest populations in the world, but relative to other European countries (and even non-European countries with gigantic populations) they are the powers because of their larger populations. At least for now. Do you think they would be forces to be recongned with if they only had 15 or 20 million people? When your a country that has over 55 million Europeans in it, your at that point where you will become a world power. Like Germany, Russia and the US.

The US has been a world power for quite a while. Its because it has had a relatively large population which was and is (for now) predominately European. It will fail to be a world power once the booming non-European population in the South West American states breaks off that portion to go back to Mexico.

States/nations with Europeans generally become more powerful when their European populations increase.
Marynka11 4 | 675
6 Jul 2011 #24
States/nations with Europeans generally become more powerful when their European populations increase.

That's what the European population likes to tell themselves.
modafinil - | 418
6 Jul 2011 #25
States/nations with Europeans generally become more powerful when their European populations increase.

Depending also on resources esp in Poland's case with future gas mining. I won't be at all suprised if many Poles who are abroad return 10 years from now creating a leap in Population and a baby-boom. Without a high population and related consumption, exerting any global power will be an irrelevance.

Like Germany, Russia and the US.

I like the way you ignored th UK. I guess too multicultural even though it's over 90% white. Nevermind.
legend 3 | 664
6 Jul 2011 #26
I won't be at all suprised if many Poles who are abroad return 10 years from now creating a leap in Population and a baby-boom

Somehow I doubt this.

I like the way you ignored th UK. I guess too multicultural even though it's over 90% white. Nevermind.

This is just nitpicking. Germany, Russia and USA have more people than Britain though.
He also missed France but I guess its too multicultural for you lol.
modafinil - | 418
6 Jul 2011 #27
Somehow I doubt this.

You really think they will continue doing the tedious jobs in the UK with the economic boom expected with gas salesin Poland? Suprising when almost without fail I hear them say they will return when there is work in Poland or left because of a poor economy. If you doubt it, I can only say I know Polish people better than you.

This is just nitpicking.

No. Establishing context. If I was nit-picking I would have mentioned France as well as pointing out USA is not a European country. Too late in the night for a LOL over here.
legend 3 | 664
6 Jul 2011 #28
Britain is only one country. Sorry to spoil your bubble but there is a whole world out there.
What you claim to be as 'many' can mean just about anything. Britain only has a fairly small fraction of Poles.
And im guessing that a large portion of them (not just in Britain) wont return to Poland.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Jul 2011 #29
Sex is patriotic:

yep, mess around guys and you're gonna be patriots, lol
modafinil - | 418
6 Jul 2011 #30
And im guessing that a large portion of them (not just in Britain) wont return to Poland.

Same difference wherever in the entire EU. Holland, Norway etc none seem to be keen to anchor. It's almost or maybe is part of the stereotype freely offered.

From where I took my first reference it is regarding European nations. If there are economic migrant Poles in darkest Africa or Japan, I am not aware of it neither is it relevant to Europe's situation.

I'm not guessing I am going by commonly held beliefs regarding the nature of Polands emmigration around Europe. I think the stat is 1 in 12 are in high skilled work I really can't think why some one will take the disadvantages inherent in being low skilled in a foreign country when there is opportunities within their homeland. Maybe some will just stay and sit on their arses on benefits/welfare or enjoy bottom of the barrel work.

600,000 went back in the UK downturn (more than half) or to another eu country (Whereever there was work)mostly back to Poland and that was when there wasn't opportunity there like there will be when drilling starts. I'm tallking about Polish people not some 2nd or 3rd generation Canadian born who thinks he's Polish merely cause he can speak Polish, eats pickled cabbage and logs onto PF.

Many means many it doesn't mean just about anything. The opposite of a few then.


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