Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland

may I remind you the the former head of NIK faces appointed by PO and company faces charges for his actions in office

And that makes it ok?
How long will PiS have to rule to become responsible for their mistakes?

I haven't said it makes anything ok - I never heard of the Banaś guy before - he probably wasn't screened enough by the special forces - if PiS could remove him they probably would because hi case is a thorn in PiS side - the thing is they can't - they can try persuading him to step down but he has so far shown no desire to

But instead of getting to know his case and what happened there you jumped on PO straight away as if that was any argument in Banas case.

I wonder if there ever comes a time when we as a society will be able to actually judge such actions on merit and leaving behind our political preferences

What else do PiS supporters have? They can't point to any real accomplishments and deflect any criticism by squawking 'PO bad! PO bad! PO bad!!!!!'


This admission does not make you sound terribly well... informed....

Hmmmm how about rising wages, greater tax revenues, social programs, tons of companies opening huge facilities in poland, strong gdp, and most importantly keeping the kebab and pedalstwo out

No, PO was more responsible for that. If half the charges against PO had been true then Poland would still be mired in a deep recession.... economies just don't improve that rapidly on their own.

Oh and Banaś was buddy buddy with one of the kingpins of the VAT mafia that PiS campaigned against so.... hypocrites.


Well you'll be happy to know that PiS members in the EP refused to vote in favor of a resolution condemning repression against gay people in Uganda (including the introduction of capital punishment).

But that actually makes them closer to kebab governments like Saudi Arabia or Iran... great company....

do you know who Krzysztof Kwiatkowski is - if not that makes you much less informed than me

Some guy who didn't let gangsters run a vvhorehouse in his property?

Tell them something on the wrongdoings of PiS and they will immediately tell you all about the wrongdoings of PO. But the 2015 election should have brought change to Polish politics, a good change!

So what change is it if we now and again have PiS politicians in the steps of politicians they wanted to wipe out from the Polish political scene because of their not very good deeds?

they have nothing against blatant corruption and thieving.... they just want "their" guys to be the ones doing it...

Largely based on outsourcing and EU membership. It's not really a miracle at all, just the result of neoliberalism (putting jobs in cheaper countries) and the EU providing a legal structure for those companies to operate in, as well as the EU pumping in fiscal transfers. Remove all three, and the V4 take a nosedive.

Yes and now v4 cpuntries are faring better than w eurppe

So much for neutrality of the judiciary ...........

dw.com/en/poland-elects-controversial-judges-to-constitutional-court/a-51376755

The Rule of Law continues to be replaced by Rule of Party. I don't blame the low information 500+ voters as much as those who should know better and refuse to see that PiS is largely about a return to the PRL with PiS replacing the PZPR and a few other replacements. But the betonowy nature of the beast is far too apparent to be ignored.

Chemikiem, you are not very well informed about Poland's politicks. Just stay away from it. Do me a favor.


BS. Away with your partisans' BS. Is not that you are against some or other example of bad governance, you are partisan to the core. THAT is a source of your criticism. Just state your position clear that all I ask. I hate it when you pretend to be an innocent bystander, so called objective observer. It sinks.

For the record. Pis is not worse than others that have been ruling in Poland before it.
So your claim stinks. I wonder are you aware of it or not.


I'm pretty sure there is more to the issue that you have heard. By the way no other gov is as close to Saudi Arabia as a gov of the US of A. What you have against Iran, it is Persia. A country Poland historically and in general had a distant but at the same cordial relations. That worsened after Poland joined NATO.

Its a real shame the way poland treats iran today after what they did for us. Well you can thank the jewnited snakes of america for that and their nonsensical hatred of iran mainly because israel says so

Is not the way Poland sic does that or other, It is a fact that Poland has a problem with its elites, be it lack of them, be it a poor quality of them. Poland lost it elites and its King long time ago and had no opportunity or time to create new elites.

PiS doing its best, is really pitiful in it attempts to navigate the ocean of the international politicks. it doesn't help the vessel needs quality a lot of quality time in a dry dock.

Poland's government is too easy. Being an ally is a art too. Being a helpless vasal is easy. Those who are responsible for it should be branded and traitors.

Making Poland into a banana republic. Those nasty stupid soviet F..kers! PO was dissed for their weasel dependence on Berlin. PiS is not different with their butler like attitude towards USA .


Oh really? So you say that American elites have no sense or will of their own?

Of course not. They do whatever israels lobbies want them to do. And if they go against them well their political career is over, especially the republicans. Some democrats if anything tend to go against the grain, but its all just empty words and at the end of the day they do whatever their financiers want.


I agree. Poland isnt going to risk its relationship with the usa by staying even somewhat neutral towards iran. But hosting that whole iran conference was shameful imo.


Poland has elites, thing ìs they tend to sell out to the germans and eu especially the po ones. They have zero sense of patriotism towards the motherland. Then again a lot of the selling out po does is comparable to pis and the usa. Still though, id take usa as an ally than germany and the eu thats for sure. But atleast pis and the other comservatists and nationalists tend to put polish interests first whether its keeping key industries in polish hands, reducing dependence on eu and diversifying, and not risking the countrys safety and security just because merkel wants to feed and house every turd worldwr pretending to be an asylum seeker.

They were publicly humiliated by the USA. I strongly suspect I-el lobby had its hands on that. The problem here is not some second rate politicians with no sense or brains but it is a fact they let it happen to their country.


Sure, most of them has their roots planted deeply into soviet Poland soil. Meaning they are inclined to be looking up for a boss. They don't know how to conduct an independent policy. Not do not look up to Kremlin nowadays. PO sucked up to Berlin and PiS is doing the same to Washington. Sadly those forces have an upper hand in Poland's political life. So far. Hell, only recently Poland broke a grip that the Soviet military intelligence held over Poland.


still PiS has quite a liberal immigration or migration policy. Lettings millions in not only from Ukraine but from Philippines and Pakistan or India as well. Do you think they check their credentials or religion?

Because I disagree with your views? No need to be patronising Iron. In my opinion, PiS are trying to drag Poland back to the times of communist party rule.

What else does Pan Prezes know? He's never spent any serious period of time outside of Poland and AFAIK knows no foreign languages (besides maybe forgotten school Russian).

His entire frame of reference is the PRL, his idea of reform is to recreate PRL social structures with new faux ideology in line. But the model is the same, centralize as much as you can.

Where I work the PiS 'reform' has meant that rather than directly elect our director the director is appointed from above (we can indicate who we want but the person above doesn't have to follow that).

No, because it is all more complex on so many levels that you give it a credit for.


I'm not. I like you. We don't need to agree on issues. Since I like you I want you to stop you from making ridiculous claims like that


By the way Corbyn is a way worse hands down without any extenuated circumstances. I bet you vote on him.
I don't of you have noticed but I'm against PiS. I wasn't 100% sure for w while. I have given them some time but right now I'm 100^ against them and their rule. Thing is I don't want PO or other red scum to replace them.


How many foreign languages Trump can speak? Well Trump is atypical. What about Clinton, Bush eh?

How many foreigners does JK know? It's not just language per se, but JK seems to have extraordinarily limited horizons...

Why appoint commie prosecutor and a vulgar fishwife to the TK? Because... who else does he know?

I dislike PiS because they act (collectively) like an extension of the PRL.
I dislike them because every time I try to give them the benefit of a doubt they come of with some new sleazy commie mindset plan. Every. Single. Time. They act like the PRL reborn.

"Good for them", I thought, "they've accepted that they lost the senate" (like a normal political party) and the start protesting the results and engage in an open campaign to buy a senator so they can have a functioning majority.

Stanisław "Beton" Piotrowicz loses his seat so they appoint him to the TK....
Every. Single. Time. They take the low road, morally, ethically and legally.
Every. Single. Time.

I can deal with politicans whose positions I disagree with but I loath neo-Soviet apparatchiks like PiS and its supporters.

So how come PIS are doing all they can to have a large US armed contingent in Poland including missiles to protect them from the neo soviet Russians ???

She is not, just an act. Why? To divert media and so called opposition from scrutinizing other more sensitive issues. His horizons might be limited but you don't give him his due as a shrewd political operator.

I don't support PiS but there is no other power on the moment that could replace them. PO and all the red scum is not an option they are even worse.

Just to cheer you up...

Just look at what we have to deal with here and you will hug and kiss your next PiS member.

Our fascists aka Democrats are to the left of the worst of the USSR - minus executions and gulags. To make things even worse, they seem to believe the sh*it they say, which the top commies never did.

I remember the days of free medical care in the PRL but I don't recall the commies telling the world to come over and get the same and be on permanent welfare.

Feeling better now?

How much will Mrs Lichocka`s middle finger cost the ruling party?
Read about the latest scandal which caused a huge uproar. Not only because of indecent gesture, but primarily because that finger was pointed to all people suffering from cancer.

She showed it to the opposition after PiS voted to give 2 billion PLN to state television instead of cancer treatment. Later she lied she only rubbed her eye. hahahahaha

tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/polish-lawmakers-push-2-bln-zloty-compensation-for-public-media-4081896

The Sejm on Thursday disregarded the Senate's call to reject the amendment to the broadcasting act and the license fees act which assumes nearly 2 billion zlotys of compensation in 2020 for Polish Television (TVP) and Polish Radio. The debate on the bill culminated after Law and Justice (PiS) MP Joanna Lichocka extended her middle finger at the opposition. She later explained that the gesture wasn't what most people thought it was.

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  Special greetings to all cancer patients from PiS
  

Nothing. Those who are fixed on one or the other option will stay that way. Those who are not one or the other will stay that way.

By the way clowns from PO and other trolls are trolling PiS. No wonder they now and then they success in getting some reaction. Which they primitively try to use in their imaginary fight for voters. What sane voter would vote on morons and clowns who have nothing else to offer but - we hate PiS and once who take over everything will be groovy. phew! what a bunch of nutjobs.

@pawian
She was just wiping something from under her eye. Totally understandable.
A lot of people do it.
Look at Maciek Stuhr

youtu.be/0g3fmnVT3gA

And there's also a vid where even doctors do it.
A totally normal thing.