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Poland says no to flood of Immigrants


Mr Grunwald 33 | 2221
28 Sep 2023 #31
@GefreiterKania
Problem with this definition is that many cultures are known or semi-known or have bad history with (in the far past, so it could easily have been mended with good actions, policies and politics). So it's not as much as "xeno" phobia (as cultures useally coming in, are not inuits from greenland, north koreans, Singalese or Tibetans... Instead they are Turks, Iraqi's, Afgans, Somali'a, Libyans, Algerians etc)

The reputation and consequences of those emigrants to countries like, Sweden, Germany and France is not giving them a better chance of acceptance. I can assure you that the group of biggest hardliners towards new (illegal) migrants are newest migrant arrivals. Why? Cause their reputation and future are at stake if the continued flow comes in on basis of breaking the law (by coming in illegally).

Poles are not a nation of people living in mud huts in some distant area with no possibility of reading and hearing news. On the contrary, millions of Poles have worked abroad in the west and shared their experiences, as Polish language is a Slavic language, it raindrops information to other Slavic speakers in forms of hearsay and rumours to them (that they can confirm or debunk by traveling themselves).

By reaffirming such news and information, Polish news and information becomes more and more credible and trusted (to the fury, annoyance and bewilderment of western media that are spearheading certain agenda's that Polish media find unacceptable).

So countries that have to accept and "copy-paste" western information out of national-strategical interests, do just that. But keeps their left ear on ready and are happy to talk and chick chat with Polish journalists or Polish politicians from time to time, regardless of disagreement or agreement to be up to date with everything. At least to matters in Europe and matters important to Western Europe that are thought of as "Tabu".

So, to cut it short.

Chaos-increase-phobia is far more suitable for Poland then xeno-phobia. Poland creates and has more then enough chaos on it's own to willingly import more of it from outside her own borders (this fear and policy is very similar, but different in reason to German wish for not increasing chaos)
Novichok 4 | 8458
28 Sep 2023 #32
Chaos-increase-phobia is far more suitable for Poland then xeno-phobia.

Chaos is just one component. Immigration of any kind - chaotic or not - should be resisted at all costs.
If 40 million orderly and highly educated Chinese came up to the Polish border and demanded asylum letting them in would be just as devastating to Poland.
jon357 73 | 23043
28 Sep 2023 #33
Poland creates

Remember, the Poland of tomorrow is not that of today and certainly not that of yesterday.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2221
28 Sep 2023 #34
@Novichok
You should try out simulation games then, it is possible to play out similar scenario's there.

Having no jobs, household or food to provide for such an increase. Naturally creates problems, not solutions. When you have 40 million positions to fill, houses standing empty and a agricultural sector in need of consumers. It sure becomes useful and profitable!

So depends on the situation

@jon357
Poland is the same, then, now and later. Despite the dirt, medals or cammo you seem to call Poland
jon357 73 | 23043
28 Sep 2023 #35
Poland is the same, then, now and later

Nothing ever stays the same. Poland is not the country it was 50 or 100 years ago, and in 50 or 100 years time will not be the country that it is now.

I always say that if we had a Time Machine and could go back to speak to our great great great great great great grandparents there would be so little common ground that a conversation would be extremely difficult. Plus, linguistically we'd not understand each other either.

There are very few things certain in life and one of them is change.
Lyzko 43 | 9529
28 Sep 2023 #36
As the poet said, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
Mankind never changes, the world changes around it!
Alien 21 | 5267
28 Sep 2023 #37
Politicians have just agreed that from today we are building Fortress Europe. It's high time, otherwise nationalist right-wing parties such as AfD or PiS would win the next elections.
OP Joker 2 | 2292
28 Sep 2023 #38
would win the next elections.

Lets make it it 9 times then:)
Novichok 4 | 8458
28 Sep 2023 #39
So depends on the situation

Under no conditions, 40 million Chinese would be good for Poland.
mafketis 37 | 10935
28 Sep 2023 #40
Politicians have just agreed that from today we are building Fortress Europe

I was listening to Welt tv (youtube) and it seemed that they were a bit.... more aware of the problems caused by EU migration/asylum policy while trying to pretend there were no problems... (the subtext definitely seemed to be.... 'there are problems'....)
Cargo pants 3 | 1488
29 Sep 2023 #41
PiS would win the next elections.

Even though I will not vote for them but I still want them to win and save Poland from gay marriage and immigrants.
Alien 21 | 5267
29 Sep 2023 #42
@Cargo pants
PiS, which issued 1/4 of pan-European visas for bribes should get a big kick in the ass. The question is will voters punish them appropriately?
PolAmKrakow 3 | 871
29 Sep 2023 #43
@Cargo pants
PiS has a referendum vote on the immigration issue on this ballot. No way that the immigration the EU wants will take place in Poland. And if Tusk gets in and try's it, he will have a very short term in power. Gay marriage? Not a chance. Civil contracts? Maybe someday.
Atch 21 | 4161
29 Sep 2023 #44
No way that the immigration the EU wants will take place in Poland.

No, the type of immigration that PIS wants will take place - like the 6,000 immigrant workers arriving in Biała, a village with only 200 inhabitants. Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc. being paid about half the minimum wage. Slave labour in Poland. Disgraceful.
PolAmKrakow 3 | 871
29 Sep 2023 #45
@Atch
PiS needs slave labor because ZUS at 42% is killing small business. Poles won't accept lower paying jobs, and they wont work multiple jobs in most cases. I have not heard of anything like this 6000 immigrants arriving in Poland though.
Atch 21 | 4161
29 Sep 2023 #46
they wont work multiple jobs in most cases.

And rightly so. This is not the USA. Giving out 500 a month and promising to raise it to 800 doesn't help either.

I have not heard of anything like this 6000 immigrants

notesfrompoland.com/2023/06/20/container-town-opens-in-poland-to-house-thousands-of-asian-workers-building-chemical-plant/
Novichok 4 | 8458
29 Sep 2023 #47
Civil contracts? Maybe someday.

A handshake is good enough. Or any other body part...
jon357 73 | 23043
29 Sep 2023 #48
A handshake is good enough.

No it isn't.
OP Joker 2 | 2292
1 Oct 2023 #49
I am glad you started this thread.

Tarczynski is becoming famous in America and is on our news media now.



" Be like Poland , Be brave".
Novichok 4 | 8458
1 Oct 2023 #50
So this is what the Swedish a-holes concluded from the hellish crime fu*cking foreigners brought to them...
A sane country would use every means, method, and legal trick to deport these motherfu*ckers - even before they commit crimes.

But Sweden is not a sane country - just like the rest of Western Europe. So what did Sweden decide to do?

These morons decided to admit fewer migrants. Not stop migrants. No way! That would be too radical. Admit fewer...

Imbeciles is too nice to describe Swedes...
Alien 21 | 5267
1 Oct 2023 #51
So this is what the Swedish a-holes concluded from the hellish crime fu*cking foreigners brought to them...

A few facts, 60 deaths in gang fights in Sweden. At the same time, over 2,000 victims of car accidents in Poland in the fights of "normal" Poles on the road. Where is safer?
Charliesy 2 | 19
1 Oct 2023 #52
@Alien
Sweden is one of the safest country's in Europe for RTA's but the numbers are not as stark as they appear....

220 deaths in Sweden on the roads in 2022 just under 2000 in Poland. Population of Sweden ~10m Poland ~38m so 22 deaths per 1m people in Sweden 52/1m Poland more than double right, so still pretty awful.

But in Poland you have 34m cars registered in Sweden about 5m, so if we normalized for population it looks more like 44 deaths/1m in Sweden vs 46.8 in Poland.

It's tenuous to normalise by population here but shows you can manipulate the data to a point where there really isn't a big difference.

Now I'm not for a moment suggesting driving in Poland is as safe as Sweden clearly it isn't, more cars on the roads means more accidents and in Poland they are more likely to be fatal.

But the fatalities are going down in Poland the murders and the rest are going up in Sweden.

Poland and many of its neighbors have always had a terrible road safety profile, they are doing something about it, I'm sure more could be done in Poland but the fact remains the numbers have almost halved in the last 10 years.

Sweden on the other hand seems to have manufactured this problem all by itself and it's hard to see how it gets better.

So long story short, Poland all day long over Sweden.
Novichok 4 | 8458
1 Oct 2023 #53
Where is safer?

Swedes don't care how safe is Poland. That comparison is pointless. How about comparing Sweden and Mexico?

They know - even the morons who invited the trash people for reasons even they don't understand - that Sweden today is not as safe as it was a couple of decades ago and that it is #4 - after Botswana. Lethoto, and Grenada - on the rape rates scale. If you know the upside to this idiocy, please let me know what it is.

wisevoter.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country/
Lyzko 43 | 9529
1 Oct 2023 #54
However, Swedes DO indeed care how safe Sweden is, one of many reasons why their country has slowly become so reactionary!
Novichok 4 | 8458
1 Oct 2023 #55
If the a-holes cared, they would look up the sh*ithole's crime stats. Instead, the morons cared more about their woke feeeeelings. Fu*ck the stats and Swedish women...

It takes an idiot to say that caring how safe a country is is reactionary. They were like you are now and, as a result, within one generation, Sweden moved from the bottom to the top of the rape scale.
mafketis 37 | 10935
1 Oct 2023 #56
It takes an idiot to say that caring how safe a country is is reactionary

An article of the neoliberal faith (it's really a pseudo-religion, one of many that's sprung up in the demise of traditional religon) is that human beings are basically interchangeable widgets.

That is, they are not conditioned by genetics and/or culture, both of which are helpless in the face of correct policy.

So any... inequalent outcomes between different groups in crime, for example, is ascribed to external forces that can be eliminated through correct neoliberal policy.

It's total nonsense and never works, but it's an article of faith and there's shaking it.....

Non-neoliberals realize it's not working but usually don't have the vocabular or arguments to effectively counter it.
pawian 223 | 24385
1 Oct 2023 #57
I have not heard of anything like this 6000 immigrants arriving in Poland though.

Here you are - oil company has built a container town for 6000 foreign workers, mostly from Asia.

businessinsider.com.pl/biznes/tak-wyglada-miasteczko-kontenerowe-obcokrajowcow-w-plocku/tcrgc57

He adds that the town is inhabited by people of various nationalities: Pakistanis, Filipinos, citizens of Turkey and India . Each of them received a special brochure that was to prepare them for the conditions prevailing in Poland, as well as to help them use care services, services, or simply get around the surrounding area. Employees have work visas and valid work permits. Many of these people have already carried out contracts in other parts of the world. Employees' earnings are also subject to Polish regulations, so we can talk about ranges from the national minimum minimum. It all depends on the function they perform on the construction site. As on any construction site, senior experts are decorated with different colored helmets.

Employees living in a container town spend most of their time on the premises . However, they can freely leave this area. Many of them have their own bicycles or even, as we have seen, electric scooters. The local shopkeepers are happy about this fact. The most frequently purchased products are fruit and vegetables, sweetened drinks, sweets, tobacco products, and other types of snacks. It turns out that some of the residents are also practicing Catholics who visit the nearby church.

- Sometimes it happens that when you come across a larger group, you have to wait in line at the store a little longer. It is clear that there is a movement of interest. They come, buy what they need and leave. They don't bother me. My mother saw them at mass. Even though they probably didn't understand much of it, it's good that they remember their values. After all, they are ordinary people who, like us in the past, came here to work abroad, says one of the residents.






Cargo pants 3 | 1488
2 Oct 2023 #58
Many of them have their own bicycles

In Jan I asked someone to sell my bike as I dont use it in Warsaw,she advertised it and 3 people came to buy all Phillipinos and all worked in the factory outside Warsaw.
Lyzko 43 | 9529
2 Oct 2023 #59
Rich, Sweden has simply been bending over backwards for far too long, trying in vain to accomodate Third Worlders in their society.

A backlash is only natural. This is a direct result of the demeaning of Western culture by lefties going back to the Woodstock Era. Everything Asian or African is "cool", everything white European is "suspect".
Novichok 4 | 8458
2 Oct 2023 #60
Rich, Sweden has simply been bending over backwards

Only weasels and woke morons bend backward when facing a migrant invasion of their own creation.
Sweden had no good reason to admit one black scumbag from Somalia in the first place.


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