Poland says no to flood of Immigrants

Watch out before I hit you with my walker!

LOL Walker is fine as a legless weakling cant lift that,I would worry for the crutches.BTW can one now carry a walker on a wheel chair also???Guess American disability goes a long way in Poland.

Maf try this,if you can afford..
doclandmed.com/en/poland/prosthetics/prosthetic-legs

The Somalis in Cardiff and Swansea are very established and very much part of the wider community.

I don't think there are many here since Poland doesn't have any large port cities. Maybe there are a few round the Trojmiasto.

Which is why "nearly 75% of the Somali population is unemployed"

councilofsomaliorgs.com/assets/CSO-Employment.pdf (from 2015 are the figures showing improvement since then?)

Nine migrants rape a 15 year old girl in Hamburg..... 8 escape jail with suspended sentences.....none showed any remorse....

rmx.news/crime/shock-after-15-year-old-german-girl-gang-raped-by-9-men-only-1-goes-prison/

As this is publicized AfD gains news supporters.... because no other political party thinks there's anything wrong with it....

Do only migrants do that?


I bet you'd join them.

And when they're driven off for a shower, would you stand on the pavement quoting unemployment statistics and nwdpapr article about rape?

Bullsh*it. Industrialized countries don't need unskilled labor. They need automation.
If that's not enough, they import things, not people.
If they still need people, they import people who look and act like the natives. See Poland and Ukrainians. Brilliant! No blacks, no Muslims!
No sane country ever imports unskilled black scum.


No, idiot.
Locals cannot be stopped. Migrants can be. Just don't let them in. Duh!
Debating a-holes is so easy...

Oh, the joys of going to college...


Student Tells Charlie Kirk That His College Puts Tampons In Male Toilets

Maybe his nose was bleeding?

I guess not... okay then! It's normal that the only way Europeans can keep 15 year-olds safe from gang rape is to not let them leave the house except with a male guardian!


You're being hysterical..... come back when you have serious arguments..... changing European migration policy to keep out criminals is not genocide.... on migration you're as bad as novi is about russia. It's all ideology completely divorced from reality.

European migration policy is now wildly dysfunctional and this is why parties like AdF are growing in every country but Denmark (which paid attention to what citizens were saying and began adjusting migration policy).

Extremel rare.


What are your thoughts on 'biological determinism'?


Not, fortunately in the UK or Poland.

Biology isn't so much a determiner as an influence. Individuals are formed by complex interactions between genetics, language and culture which happen in family and broader social and economic contexts. Just randomly plucking a bunch of people from one complex system and expecting them to thirve in a very alien system is a neo-religous belief that people are fundamentally malleable interchangeable widgets.


Nowhere near rare enough. And in Europe now almost entirely committed by migrants (or their offspring.... *cough* Rotherham *cough*.....)


The UK is a de facto 2 1/2 party system so small groups have trouble getting off the ground and migration to Poland is not welfare based and the numbers are small.

The failure of the political establishment to recognize just the fundamentally broken nature of migration policy is one of the biggest failures of the EU (and evidence that further integration is not necessary).

Have you spent much time there? I certainly have. I'd say the issues are more to do with poverty than anything else.


Three really, Labour, the Tory cvnts and the SNP.

The last of those is largely unaffected, the Tories rail about migration as much as some on here with as little practical effect and Labour take a pragmatic approach.

So? That makes it okay? A normal society in which something like that happened would move heaven and earth to stop it and prevent it from happening again.... what concrete steps have been made in the UK?


I was thinking at the national rather than sub-national level, more precisely I was thinking of the lib-dems.... are they still a thing?

Poverty is never OK.


With a right-wing libertarian government, steps towards lifting people out of poverty and developing social cohesion rarely happen.


Yes and no. They were wiped out at the last general election but have made gains in by-elections in rural and affluent areas. They are expected to take some suburban eats of the Tories next year. Worth mentioning that when I worked for Rotherham County council cil th make-up of the chamber was 62 Labour, 2 Tories and a lonely Liberal. There were no real problems with girls in care and older men exploiting them. The sh1t started to happen after more Tories and LibDems got in and started to close the kids' homes and most significantly, cut the number of police and social workers. If you have rust-belt poverty, it has to be managed carefully or the problems snowball.

Poverty did not cause the mass sexual-exploitation of young women, the choices of men (from a culturally and religiously alien environment) did.


A good reason to halt migration which only aggrevates differences and poverty.

It did. The perps were born there (I was in 6th form with some of their parents who were also born there) and no problems occurred until the town's economy collapsed.


Have you ever seen an exponentially growing trend 'halted'?

Lots of places manage economic disruption without mass sexual exploitation....


Sure.... migration is a not a tiktok 'trend'.... it's the sum of choices made by those in poor countries, traffickers, and national governments (both in producing and receiving countries).

Who's left out there?

Change the incentives and you change behavior. Stop making being in Europe a better experience for those arriving and you'll slow down/stop the flow.

the question is do you want to be nice about it (like me and say Andrew Hammel) or do you want to resist until politicians far, far worse than Geert Wilders get elected with overwhelming mandates? Cause that's where it's headed. change policy before it becomes a disaster or wait for the disaster and point fingers....

Postive feelings and an open mind and appreciation for whatever it is you like to imagine that Pakistanis and Algerians etc etc bring to Europe are no match for an electorate that has had enough and wants things to change by any means necessary....

So what?


I've only a vague idea what tik tok is and of course you're pretending to misunderstand the word trend.

No European country has managed to slow the trend; it is increasing and is likely to do so for a long time.


That hasn't worked either. Not Theresa May's 'hostile environment' nor France's lack of material support nor Greece's internment camps.

I agree. It's not about a sudden strike of poverty, but about culture and people's mentality = the attitude towards women (and kids) and their rights, the level of patriarchy and misogyny in their society.

Dont' forget the cultural alienation.... one thing that seems to happen a lot in Europe is that parents from muslim countries do not want their children to assimilate to the local culture. Instead they reinforce their culture shock trauma onto them more or less guaranteeing that they will stay in the parents' cultural orbit and not be successful in the host country....

That dynamic creates angry, alienated young men (never a good thing to have).

Forced assimilation (as used to happen in the US) is the only way for an ethnically diverse society to thrive....

You'd be surprised, and of course social cohesion is a matter for us all.


And not without BLM riots and fascist 'summer of hate' marches.

Exactly! The US gave up forced assimilation sometimes during the Great Compression and the results since have not.... been.... encouraging.... among other things not making immigrants assimilate creates pressure on existing minorities (in the US African Americans, generally more like a linguistic and cultural minority than a simple racial classification) to dissimilate from the majority, one of the results of which is BLM....)

I'm still not sure what the positive argument is for enabling migration from NAfrica given their sky high crime rates in Europe (a recent Dutch study found even the generations born in the Netherlands are about 5 times more likely to engage in crime than ethnic Dutch).

How did they 'force' it? I read Jeffrey Eugenides' Middlesex which talked about Henry Ford. the well-known Nazi sympathiser, who used to have weird programmes for his staff. Was it like that?


That was a result of police violence, as well you know.


Perhaps because the presence of newer Dutch has brought such affluence to the older Dutch that a new urban proletariat formed. Doubtless a few decades ago, the working class were five times more likely to engage in crime as the bourgeoisie just like today.

Perhaps.... not.... really the best you can do? I'm always amazed at the lengths some on the left go to avoid blaming criminals for doing crime....


The police arresting George Floyd (a violent criminal who resisted arrest while being stoned out of his mind) did nothing wrong.... police actually shoot more white suspects per capita than black (blacks shoot each other at sky hight rates and that doesn't bother surviving blacks very much, so.... it is what it is)

@Maf, it depends on whom you talk to.
The Swedish press is obviously not thrilled about having them there.
Yet, I've heard other reports from Swedes with no particular axe to grind!

The best sociologists can do...


The police who murdered him, and thousands of others...

mafkeis, remember all I was saying about how the Polish people were really like and how you constantly ignore the fact they are naitonalists? Look at what they are doing on the border with Ukraine. Look at how racist naitonalsitic they are. WHy do you think they are any better than Russians and keep supporting them?

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Are you excusing the bestial behavior of migrants by suggesting that others might also engage in such behavior? You have not provided any evidence of wrongdoing by these hypothetical others. It seems that you are providing an excuse or explanation only in your own conflicted mind.

You would pay attention if gang rapes were happening every day in every German city? But according to your standards rare is ok?