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Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland


Ironside 50 | 12338
8 Sep 2023 #151
You spent

If you have nothing to say you should have keep quiet.
jabbering nonsense geez...
go do your part and suck in a rotten banana.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #152
contradicting himself

Kashub, what is contradictory in pointing to PIS` hypocrisy???

jabbering nonsense

Yes, that`s your style - over these years, when you were still an emigrant, I used to tell you many times that you knew very little about Poland. Don`t deny coz it is useless.
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #153
I'm from London not Kashubia, if I was I'd be a lot more fond of your personal hero.

It's probably difficult for you to grasp the sheer scale of the hypocrisy in DTs words when he talks about Polish people taking control of Polish borders but it dwarfs any hypocrisy by PiS 1000 to 1. The only way that DT can say such bs is because he knows he is lying and is just trying to steal some votes off PiS. But that's politics I suppose, it's an ugly business, no room for honour or idealism.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #154
any hypocrisy by PiS 1000 to 1

Tell us how you calculated it. Coz we don`t understand that ratio. :):):)

lying

PiS are warning Poles about exotic immigrants and at the same time doing their best in bringing them to work in Poland. Who is a bigger liar now???

I'm from London

And you speak such bad English??? Amasing! hahahaha
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #155
Tell us how you calculated it. Coz we don`t understand that ratio. :):):)

As I said it would be too difficult for you to grasp.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #156
As I said it would be too difficult

Yes, your personal obsessions are a good study matter for psychologist or even worse. :):):)
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #157
I'm sure they would absolutely love it.
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #158
PiS are warning Poles about exotic immigrants and at the same time doing their best in bringing them to work in Poland. Who is a bigger liar now???

PiS are warning about mass immigration, which is the type of immigration that DT stands for. PiS wisely understand that immigration is a positive thing if it happens in a controlled way. Which is exactly what PiS are doing.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #159
s a positive thing if it happens in a controlled way.

Nothing is mentioned about a controlled way in the PiS` referendum. Stop inventing such lame excuses for PiS coz it is useless. I am always here to debunk them. Ha!
jon357 73 | 22638
8 Sep 2023 #160
which is the type of immigration that DT stands for

Have you any actual proof that he favours this in Poland?
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #161
Well what is his stance on it, what is he proposing if he takes power?
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #162
Nothing is mentioned about a controlled way in the PiS` referendum

The question is 'do you support illegal immigration in Poland?', is this correct? If so then that is a clear distinction between illegal (uncontrolled) and legal (controlled).
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #163
do you support illegal immigration in Poland?'

When PiS diplomats take bribes for issuing hundreds of thousand visas to exotic foreigners, is it a legal activity or not???? :):):)
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #164
''Government spokesperson Piotr Mueller said this week that Wawrzyk had "made a mistake" and gone beyond the government's migration policy framework when he prepared new regulations. Media reports said the new rules would have admitted temporary workers from about 20 countries''

Where is the suggestion of bribes here?
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #165
here?

Change the source from the PIS one to an independent one and you will have bribes. :):)
Luke1410 - | 168
8 Sep 2023 #166
So we have an individual diplomat who felt he could relax the rules a bit, PiS rightly decide to get rid of him as a result and you interpret this whole situation as PiS hypocrisy??

I don't think there is a psychologist in the world that could crack your case mate!
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #167
So we have an individual diplomat who felt he

Just one??? The whole embassy in an African country was involved. Besides, new more scandalous info is surfacing all the time. The deputy FM was probably taking part in the scheme.
Paulina 16 | 4316
8 Sep 2023 #168
, PiS rightly decide to get rid of him as a result and you interpret this whole situation as PiS hypocrisy??

According to this article Polish CBA started working on this case only because of the pressure from the EU:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/dymisja-wawrzyka-nowe-szczegoly-afery-wizowej-6939123699595904a

A fragment from the article:

"The media added that the visa scandal is connected to an international investigation. It's about the activity of VFS Global, a company from India, which intermediates in getting visas.

- CBA was simply forced to act. It wasn't their initiative. Our partners from the EU have proven that it was on the level of Polish consular services that the abnormalities were happening, resulting in mass give away of visas, which were allowing foreigners from countries with terrorist threat to get into the Schengen Area. - an informer unofficially revealed to the "Gazeta Wyborcza"."
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #169
which were allowing foreigners from countries with terrorist threat to get into the Schengen Area.

Thank you , PiS!! :):):)
Paulina 16 | 4316
8 Sep 2023 #170
Where is the suggestion of bribes here?

If there was no question of bribes and anything illegal then CBA and the prosecutor's office wouldn't be involved.

So we have an individual diplomat

"An individual diplomat"?
According to the Polish prosecutor's office those are the Polish diplomatic posts where the visa "abnormalities" were happening: Hongkong, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates, India, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, the Philippines and Qatar.

And the guy who lost his job because of this scandal wasn't just any "diplomat", but the deputy Foreign Minister of Poland.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
8 Sep 2023 #171
the Polish diplomatic posts where the visa "abnormalities" were happening: Hongkong, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates, India, Saudi Arabia, Singapore

It seems PiS is holding a referendum to prevent those criminals in their own ranks from issuing even more visas...... hahahaha.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
13 Sep 2023 #172
PIS politicians refuse to elaborate on the corruption scandal connected with issuing hundred thousands visas to workers from non-European countries. During press conferences, they block independent journalists and switch off their microphones. Amasing gangsters! :):):)

Let me remind you that Poland issued the biggest number of work visas of all EU countries in 2022. After coming to Poland, those foreign workers quickly moved to Western Europe,which, understandably, reacted negatively to it and forced PiS to investigate into the corruption network.

Don`t be surprised if the EU suspends Schengen open borders deal with Poland one day.

PS. BTW, it is reported that the Foreign Minister knew about corruption but kept silent coz PiS received its share from bribes paid for Polish visas. Amasing gangsters!!! :):):)
amiga500 4 | 1490
14 Sep 2023 #173
PS. BTW, it is reported that the Foreign Minister knew about corruption but kept silent coz PiS received its share from bribes paid for Polish visas.

Well well well, let's see how it develops, enough to swing an election. But all those votes will go to konfa and do you really want that? :)
OP pawian 221 | 24216
14 Sep 2023 #174
But all those votes will go to konfa and do you really want that?

I thought about it a few times and decided that yes, I prefer Konfa to PiS. At least those nationalists have a sound economic approach which I have always supported - I mean zero socialist benefits and support for small business etc.

Besides, when I tell my adult students they need to go to the elections and thank the politicians who sentenced them to years of torture in educational facilities thanks to their rightist party`s failed reforms, who do you think the students will vote for?? Of course for Konfa as a new, fresh and trendy option among all those grandpas who have spent nearly all their lives in politics.

Konfa is a crazy party but at least they won`t be such fekking hypocrites as PiS who invite hundreds of thousands of immigrants and at the same time critisize their own actions and try to put the blame on the opposition.
Alien 22 | 5195
14 Sep 2023 #175
I prefer Konfa to PiS

Konfa has no experience in running the country and is basically just a parody of a political party.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
14 Sep 2023 #176
Konfa has no experience in running the country

And that`s exactly what some voters, tired with the Polish political duopoly, appreciate. :):)
OP pawian 221 | 24216
14 Sep 2023 #177
the Foreign Minister knew about corruption

Deputy Foreign Minister Wawrzyk forced Polish diplomats to issue visas to the immigrants he indicated. Letters with dozens and hundreds of names were sent to consulates. Wawrzyk operated in Asia and Africa - from Istanbul, through Riyadh, Islamabad, Mumbai, New Delhi, Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong, Manila and Taipei to Abuja and Dar-es Salam.

The most astonishing story is the story of "Wawrzyk's filmmakers". These are Indians who pretended to be Bollywood crews. One of the groups came to Poland after pressure from the minister and ended up in Mexico, from where they tried to get to the USA. It was the American services that warned the Polish authorities about the illegal immigration channel created by Wawrzyk's people.
jon357 73 | 22638
14 Sep 2023 #178
Wawrzyk forced Polish diplomats to issue visas

If there's proven corruption the only option is prosecution, public shaming and punishment.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
14 Sep 2023 #179
If there's proven corruption the only option is prosecution

I doubt PIS will prosecute their own men. Some small fish will be dragged to courts instead of big shots. They are fekking political gangsters now turned into regular criminal gangsters.
Ironside 50 | 12338
14 Sep 2023 #180
The deputy FM was probably taking part in the scheme.

I;m sure the pope was into it too.!
how is your tin foil hat ?


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