Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland

It is a so called flawed democracy - PIS breaks some democratic standards, in the style which has always happened in Eastern Europe. E.g, they try to remove independent judges and install their own ones, who would close an eye to PIS` crimes.

Does the Polish Constitution permit to remove judges?
"Independent" and "own" are subjective, not legal terms.

Yes, it is possible only when a judge commits a crime and is convicted of it by a group of other independent judges. Most judges don`t break the law so they can`t be removed. PIS tried to change it passing new laws which were blocked by the EU.

However, if they can`t remove judges, PiS is using another dirty techinque, namely suspension.

Suspension of a judge means that he/she cannot adjudicate, he/she must hand over all commenced cases to another judge, which in criminal trials practically means starting the trial from the beginning. This period is not counted towards seniority or promotion, and salary is usually reduced for this. Suspension can last indefinitely and can be a form of prevention, but also repression.

The Disciplinary Chamber, controlled by PIS judges, suspends those judges who are involved in protests against the unconstitutional changes in the judiciary.

According to Beata Morawiec, president of the "Themis" Association of Judges, suspension in official duties is a punishment combined with the deprivation of the judge's ability to adjudicate . - We are like on vacation, but deprived of employee rights. This period does not count towards retirement benefits or the increase in promotion rates. A suspended judge has a reduced salary, but they cannot earn extra money, for example, lecture at a university or train lawyers.

And the state of suspension can be maintained indefinitely.

The level of doublethink and blatant lying by redefinition on the part of EU/"liberals". When a government elected by the people directly is in charge of the judiciary it's corruption and they say it's not an independent judiciary, but when a judiciary imposed by outside countries at pain of not receiving massive billions of dollars in funding is in place, that's "an independent judiciary". It's like every word is the opposite of it's real meaning.

Even if I agreed with the EU I'd have to side with the government in terms of it simply being untenable to let the EU put its foot on your neck to this degree. Either you have a country or you don't. I suppose EU countries are used to being completely supine in this way though, if you look at the things that have happened to Greece and Italy, it's just how things are there.

Why do you have to lie like a rabid dog? No judge was imposed by foreign countries in independent Poland yet.

PIS has announced the third question which again shows their blatant hypocrisy.

That is the core question at last:

Do you support the admission of thousands of illegal immigrants from the Middle East and Africa, in accordance with the forced relocation mechanism imposed by the European bureaucracy? "

Why are PiS hypocrites? I already mentioned it several times that during PiS` rule, each year tens of thousands of non-European immigrants come to Poland.

Work permits issued in 2022 by PiS gov to immigrants from muslim countries - 137.000

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We're it not for PiS you can add another zero to all of those rows.

Fun fact: The presiding judge of the German constitutional court was the vice president of the ruling party's faction in parliament (and a personal friend of Angela Merkel) right up until the day he was "elected" to the constitutional court by that same parliament. In order to be eligible he had to be a professor of constitutional law, which he magically became a few months earlier despite having a full time job as an MP. All the documents involved in him becoming a professor are kept secret to this day.

When the government's corona mandates landed in the constitutional court, the justices had dinner with Merkel and the rest of the government right before they unsurprisingly decided that everything the government did was absolutely A-OK.

German media assured everyone that all of this is perfectly fine and healthy. While at the same time running countless of segments of how the evil Polish conservatives are undermining Poland's independent judiciary, for which it should justly be punished by the EU.

Knowing your propensity for lying and twisting, I prefer to dismiss your revelation as just another lie. Sorry, you cried wolf too often to believe you now.

So we now have three questions which will be asked within a matter of weeks of a completely uninformed public. Regarding the retirement age for example, voters need to know the consequences of their vote either way. What implications does it have for them and their children if they vote not to raise the retirement age? These decisions by voters need to be made on the basis of knowing all the facts and deciding, based on those facts, what they want to do.

Work permit is not the same as the right to immigrate.

Immigration is forever. A work permit is valid for as long as there is work or until they tell you to get lost for any reason.

This is Poland. We do it different way. We act first, think later. hahahaha Adam Mickiewicz and even older Fathers of Polish Literature stated it in their works.

Sorry, didn`t you know that marrying a Pole?? hahahaha


Exactly. But still it is admission, right? ??? :):):)

And it is completely useless.. The EU has already declared that Poland will be exempt from the newest immigrant relocation plan due to our endevours to accommodate Ukrainian refugees.

Have they? I won't take their word for it.

Mistake!!! They don`t lie like PiS who lie like they breathe. BuHa!

With a work permit and no right to stay long-term, they don't multiply.

they do, all the time...

Don`t be silly. The EU are paragons of honesty next to those lying PiS gangsters.

Exactly!



Pawian, you are a silly old fool if you still believe in The EU.
The UK citizens were smart enough to see through the smokescreen....are Poles really too stupid not to see through it too?
I don't think so, only blind Poles like Pawian.

And they ended up with their hands in the potty full of shyt. hahahahaha Today they regret their stupidity but it is too late. Of course I mean only those who voted for brexit, not the rest who remained reasonable and broad-minded.

Tis true, the EU absolutely savaged us...

contributed to the development of Poland. If not for the EU,, PiS wouldn`t be able to give out so many benefits to their homo sovieticus voters.

PiS announced the fourth and last question, the stupidest of all: "Do you support the removal of the barrier on the border between the Republic of Poland and the Republic of Belarus?"

I don't believe this is really happening.

PIS gangsters are organising this circus to win the elections coz the referendum is meant to mobilise their voters who might be disappointed with PiS` failures like inflation or education.

They don`t care about the fact that the referendum with such stupid questions is going to discredit Poland even further in the eyes of the world and enhance the stereotypical notions of barbaric backward Eastern Europe.

Stop posting is that what you are worry about. Nothing screams EE stupid peasant here lauder than your posts.
On a general note I don't care what some fruitcakes with their heads deep their own backsideds 'think'/
Mostly those are stupid fools or conmen..

No you don`t. But you usually cry the loudest that the West looks down on us, e.g. Germans. You are hugely inconsistent now. Behave properly to gain respect and they will respect you. Right now you are considered a fascist azhole but it is well based on your views. Forget about respect.

Becasue elite in Poland or what passes for the elite (mostly political) is at best incompetent, plus they are easily swayed and do not represent Polish national interest, they don't even know what it is.... they just copycats hoping to get pat on a shoulder and few pennies for their trouble . REal stupid trash like you.

yes, those PIS rightists are morons. But nationalists from Konfa are even worse - they are like kids lost in the foggy forest. I mean economy, not their pathetic views on women or minorities.

Iron, you were doing so well in your great post...Why did you ruin it with that comment...