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Referendum in Poland about so called refugees.


delphiandomine 85 | 18,262
26 Jan 2016 #31
Poland, Sweden and one more country already objected.

Personally, I'd rather simply make it a condition of Schengen membership. Then again, I think one of the fundamental failings of Schengen was not to create a common border guard service. The Baltic countries, Slovakia and Poland have done a hell of a job - but Hungarian guards are corrupt as hell and others simply can't be bothered.

It's absolutely absurd that Greece can sit back and say "malakas" while people flood into the European mainland.

Don't know much about it yet but it will cover Asian part of Russia and will allow descendants of repatriated Poles to come back home.

They can come already if they've got the Karta Polaka. The legislation is meaningless - if they accept Polish citizenship, they lose their current citizenship.
OP NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #32
Then again, I think one of the fundamental failings of Schengen was not to create a common border guard service.

No. That would affect members countries' sovereignity and should never ever happen. They have to come up with something else. I'm still talking about the part in bold.

The legislation is meaningless - if they accept Polish citizenship, they lose their current citizenship

How come you know it's meaningless when there's not a single information about what it says? You just presume again coz it's PIS?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,262
26 Jan 2016 #33
That would affect members countries' sovereignity and should never ever happen.

But as part of Schengen, they agree to give up part of their sovereignty anyway. The point is that the zone should be secured against external threats - and if someone doesn't want to do it for whatever reason (in the Greek case, it's lack of money, bad leadership and pride) - then either they should take external help or get out of Schengen. You know, sovereignty or convenience. Let the members decide themselves.

By the way, they already gave up a lot of sovereignty by joining Schengen in the first place.

You just presume again coz it's PIS?

It's meaningless because I know the reality of the situation - once they take up such an offer, they lose their citizenship. It's just political posturing, because the Karta Polaka is already on offer and allows them to move to Poland if they want.
OP NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #34
But as part of Schengen

we don't check people's passports. That's it. Being a part of Schengen doesn't mean Poland has to let foreign armed services into our territory.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,262
26 Jan 2016 #35
That's it? Er... not quite. Schengen involves a lot more than just passport controls. It might be the most visible thing, but still. For instance, there's the common Schengen Borders Code that tells Poland exactly how to control the border. Then there's the common short term stay visas - if Germany says "sure", then Poland has to respect that. There's the common criminal database (SIS), the common visa application database (VIS), judicial cooperation and more.

If you think Schengen is only about abandoning passport controls on the border, you're very much mistaken.

I've just read that the European Border and Coast Guard will be subject to the normal legislative procedure, so Poland has no veto in this case. If it passes, Poland can either accept it or leave Schengen.

However, the latest news tonight is that Schengen is on the verge of being completely suspended anyway. Merkel, well done, you've just screwed it up for all of us that rely on it.
OP NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #36
Jeez. Of course I know there's more to it. It doesn't allow and it will never allow any other country to send their armed forces or to operate within our borders without our permission. That's what EU tries to do but it will never happen with Poland.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,262
26 Jan 2016 #37
That's what EU tries to do but it will never happen with Poland.

As I said, it's subject to the normal legislative procedure.

That means that Poland has no veto over it. Such a proposal needs the support of the majority of MEP's along with the double majority in the European Council. The double majority means that 55% of governments with at least 65% of the EU population must approve it. It's much harder to block.

In short, Poland is powerless. You'd do well to educate yourself about how the EU works before making blanket statements about how "it will never happen with Poland". If the Parliament and the Council agree, then Poland can either accept or leave the EU.
mafketis 24 | 8,931
26 Jan 2016 #38
and if someone doesn't want to do it for whatever reason (in the Greek case, it's lack of money, bad leadership and pride) - then either they should take external help or get out of Schengen

You've been ragging on Greece but what can they really do? If they make it ashore and say 'asylum' they can't be kicked out under horrible, outdated and dysfunctional asylum laws that were meant to be applied to individuals and not masses of economic migrants/bounders.

I've said right from the beginning that if they were allowed to intercept rafts and drop them off on Turkish soil then the flood would have stopped (not entirely but mostly) but they're not allowed to do that either.

Rather than devote themselves to refugee care full time Greece is simply getting a little revenge on Germany by sending them en masse there as they threatened as Merkel was pummeling them on the behalf of private bankers (perhaps Merkel's folly was an attempt to call their bluff that backfired?)

One of the doomed ideas of the EU is this idea that states can be humanitarian to everyone. They can't. at some point they have to prioritize but no western EU government has actually come to this very sane realization.
Levi 12 | 450
26 Jan 2016 #39
If they make it ashore and say 'asylum' they can't be kicked out under horrible, outdated and dysfunctional asylum laws

If they are Moroccan, Sudanese, Gabonese, Malinese, Chadians, Cameroonians, Pakistanis, etc etc etc of all the nationalities from countries that ARE NOT at war and make 62% (!!!) of all the newly arrived illegal immigrants in Europe...

YES GREECE COULD KICK THEM BACK.

Actually the boats could be even shot on sight after 3 warnings by international law.

if Germany says "sure", then Poland has to respect that.

Germany is not the king of EU, your fool.

Actually the Visegrad group have together as much power (and votes) as Germany at EU decisions. That is why merkel is so isolated now. (And she deserves that for her stupidity).
mafketis 24 | 8,931
26 Jan 2016 #40
YES GREECE COULD KICK THEM BACK.

if they say they're seeking asylum then no, EU regulations say they can't. "Asylum seeker" is the immigration equivalent of "diplomatic immunity". Also, general Eruopean ignorance of the Arab world and a lack of qualified translators means it can be hard to determine where a person is from and their own countries don't want them back and make it difficult or impossible to repatriate them.
spiritus 68 | 666
26 Jan 2016 #41
A referendum is not required.

What constitutes a humane obligation to allow non-EU foreigners to repatriate in Poland ? The fact that they are economically less well off than Europeans ? Maybe we should all find out where our local millionaire lives and turn up at their mansion and demand the right for a better life ?

Of course, if they are genuine refugees fleeing a war torn area then every country should do their share. The problem is most of them have mysteriously lost their ID papers and equally mysteriously is that they do not want to live in the first safe country they land in but prefer to choose where they want to live...............
OP NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #42
..... then they'll bring their non-refugee families of twenty, demand financial support and force sharia law on hosts.
Kufel
28 Jan 2016 #43
I think it will have to happen (referendum). First of all Poles are against so called "quota", which is German idea of redistribution of "guests" invited by Frau Merkel in the name of European solidarity. There are many voices that Poles (not Germans) will decide if and who will be allowed to be invited to Poland. Next issue Poles have with mass immigration of so called refuges is that they do not assimilate (in general) and do not share same values, as Poland does.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
28 Jan 2016 #44
Do you think that Merkel (= EU) would accept referendum in Poland (and elsewhere)??? If you check EU's history, you'll realize that EU have NEVER accepted results of referenda against EU (French, Dutch and Irish voters have had experience ;)).

Just heard that Sweden will expel some 80,000 migrants but to where???? If back to their countries, it'll be against international laws since obviously refugees cannot be returned to their home countries (logical). So, the said 80,000 migrants shall have to sent to other EU countries because Frau Angela will say so.....

It is getting worse and worse and no solution in sight.
nothanks - | 640
28 Jan 2016 #45
it'll be against international laws

Who gives a sh*t. Is NATO going to attack Sweden? Is EU going to unleash economic sanctions?

I am happy Polska contains a government with cojones
poganin - | 58
28 Jan 2016 #46
Me too, finally some testicles on show in Poland!
Levi 12 | 450
28 Jan 2016 #47
I am happy Polska contains a government with cojones

Good Point.

When Merkel told in the name of entire Europe inviting 1.5 million illegal immigrants, she ALSO disrespected international laws and soverignity of each country. She should be on trial at Hague.

So now she should taste her own medicine.

If back to their countries, it'll be against international laws since obviously refugees cannot be returned to their home countries (logical).

They ARE NOT refugees. Gambians, Sudaneses, Pakistanis, Malineses, Djiboutians are NOT refugees, hence, this is not against international law.
spiritus 68 | 666
28 Jan 2016 #48
Just heard that Sweden will expel some 80,000 migrants but to where????

Good question.

If they have failed to prove their refugee/asylum in Sweden then they must have lied about their country of origin so how on earth is Sweden going to know where to send them to ??

I can see it now "yes, you are right. I do not come from Syria. I actually came here from Germany/England. I really hope you don't send me back there"
Fatma.mahmood
28 Jan 2016 #49
should be there no referendum. europe should accept all refugees and period.

where the money to reconstruct europe after world war came? from arab lands.

where the eslaves made by europe where from? arab lands.

where europe steal oil? arab lands

And now europe come to complain about refugees? give me a break!!!!! europeans should shut up and just accept it!!!!
Samotny wilk - | 3
10 Feb 2016 #50
Wrong on many counts there.
Especially money, oil and slaves.
Get it right!
nothanks - | 640
10 Feb 2016 #51
should be there no referendum. europe should accept all refugees and period.

Hahah. And then what? There are Billions of refugees on this Planet.

Europe is more likely to start sinking boats than they are to continue open borders into the summer.
NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
12 Nov 2017 #52
Germany Today. Lol

youtube.com/watch?v=sTvmsj1sPBU
SigSauer 4 | 413
12 Nov 2017 #53
I'll one up you with the savage mating call in the middle of HAMBURG!

youtube.com/watch?v=ll2Z3-F-Y_c

@NoToForeigners

If I wasn't engaged, I would spend the rest of my days trying to find the girl at 2:54...what a real woman that stands up for European values and faith.
Joker 2 | 1,241
12 Nov 2017 #54
I'll one up you with the savage mating call in the middle of HAMBURG!

I wouldn't want to wake up to that screeching on a daily basis, what a disaster that place has turned into.

Im glad this will never happen in America.

Freedom: Keep and Bear!
NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
12 Nov 2017 #55
The amount of common sense is overwhelming in this one.


Joker 2 | 1,241
13 Nov 2017 #56
(think this term will soon become our local PF's slang :))

Back in 2008 you would be a big hit! lol

If they don't like it, they're free to leave.

Hmmmmm, Where have I heard this before????

How nice of an expat to ask someone else to leave a country that they aren't a citizen of.....Priceless!!!!


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