Reactions in Poland to Alexei Navalny's death

Curious as to how the Polish government along with Polish citizens feel about the
"sudden" death of Alexei Navalny, considering he's really dead.

They feel the same way as American citizens feel about Trump facing life in prison and 335 million in fines for a nonexistent "fraud" - except for the fact that Trump is a real threat to the DC swamp and Navalny was not a threat to anyone being safely tucked away in a Siberian "gulag".

To be sure a threat to no one and nobody other than to Czar Vladimir I!
Again I ask, is Navalny actually dead? Heck, it sure makes great publicity.

Ck. out that dude right here in the good ol' US of A, missing for umpteen years,
presumed, indeed eventually declared dead, turns up working as some short order
cook in Dallas or some such place.

Straight outta "1984", where truth are lies and freedom is captivity.

The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned the ambassador of the Russian Federation, Sergei Andreev.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs called on the Russian authorities to take responsibility for the death of Alexei Navalny. The ministry emphasizes that a "full and transparent" investigation must be conducted to determine the circumstances and cause of the death of the Russian political activist.

"Together with the democratic international community, Poland is observing with concern the growing number of political prisoners in Russia, many of whom are detained in penal colonies in difficult conditions that threaten their health and life. Among them are the leading activists of the Russian opposition, including: Vladimir Kara-Murza or Ilya Yashin," lists the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs indicates that before his death, Navalny was treated in an "inhumane" way and punished many times, including, among others, "long-term isolation". All this is "symptomatic of the Russian authorities' treatment of political prisoners, oppositionists and human rights defenders," says the ministry.

It was also emphasized that such actions are "incompatible with democratic standards" and "violate the civil rights" of the victims of the Putin regime.

"Poland calls on Russia to hold those responsible for the unlawful aggression against Ukraine accountable, compensate its victims, and settle the crimes committed against the Ukrainian state and its civilian population," emphasizes the ministry, headed by Minister Radosław Sikorski.

An appeal to much needed, certainly admirable, Slavic solidarity.
Thanks, Paw!

Nobody cares. Oppositionists in Russia die it is a norm for Russia.

Poles tend to be quite cynical about r*SSian twattery after seeing it at first hand. The government know that and aren't going to make fools of themselves by screaming about it;their shtick is that there used to it and are too classy to say "I told you so".


We can only hope.

I think most Polish people don't much care. They couldn't a worse opinion about russians anyway so one more political killing....

The demented tiny minority of Polish people that supports russia doesn't care either because they hate Poles who aren't like them far more than they hate russians and/or they long to implement a similar system in Poland to do away with their enemies.

A certain percentage has no particular feeling because they don't know who he was

Some media are trying to make people care.... but mostly they don't care.

...because they found my Z-P=0 and came to the conclusion that - N dead or alive - tomorrow will be like yesterday other than being one day older.

That's why dying for "freedom and democracy" is such a moronic idea. Especially for the other guy's "freedom and democracy" - the most idiotic idea of them all...

Who gives a fvck is such a great question...

Let's turn off emotional spigots and be more practical...

N, better than anyone, knew Russia, and what happens to those who didn't read the memo - especially in wartime.

If he listened to me, he would call Putin and offer him his full support as Putin's attack dog - just like Kamala here. Later, Putin would reward him by greasing the skids for N to become the president or some other big shot. Eventually, Putin retires, and N is happy and alive...life goes on...

Here is what's coming my way from stupid Polaks...

...but then he would not be true to his principles...a sellout...traitor...a disappointment to his faithful...and an embarrassment to his wife...a gulag in Siberia is much better than an office in the Kremlin, a nice apartment, and a limo...Sure...

The Kremlin has never been known for her transparency, folks!
We may assume that Navalny really is dead. However, the manner
of death might never truly be known.

Just heard today that after ever so many years, Pablo Neruda's death by natural
causes might actually have been due to poisoning.

Who is this?

??? You've never head of the late, great Chilean poet, the man who inspired the film "Il Postino" (1995)?

I haven't heard of him......but I have heard of Che Guevara.

None of you guys will ever understand what the death of Navalny means.

Useless thread.

He was from Argentina. Chile was that general; Pinioccio lol!

Che was a different kettle of fish ("eine voellig andere Kiste")!
Neruda's family name was actually borrowed from the name of the equally famous Czech
poet Jan Neruda. I honestly forget the Chilean poet's actual last name, but he was apparently
as political as he was poetic:-)

@Bobko, if you mean that Navalny was something untranslatable Russian in melos as well as significance,
you might well be right. Certain figure simply can't be adequately understood or appreciated out of their cultural
or historical context.

He was a God amongst men.

I read the biographies of his comrades. His effect was nothing short of magical.

The kind of charisma, which cannot be taught.

Leadership - in its rawest form.

So they say. Yet it is said that the biographies of many a famous figure contain
merely a kernel of truth, the rest is bilge.

@Lyzko

Navalny's myth was real.

F*ck Velund and Kostya if they think otherwise. I don't owe them anything.

Dead Navalny's myth will be surreal...

It is actually quite strong.

The old man made a big mistake killing this guy.

Sure he was a good leadership matterial for Russia. I know it, but that is your Russian problem if you get rid of people who can be good leaders and settle with the second best. or worse.

Maybe better material than most.

He was hard, soft, stubborn, flexible - in all the necessary ways.

Nobody is perfect - Velund.

Also, Velund - I hope you are ready for what will come.

What would be the old man's upside from killing a harmless Siberian prisoner? It's like he was running for the office of the president of Russia...

Maybe he didn't kill him.

Likely - he didn't kill him at all.

But could he have done something to prevent this guy from dying? Like not sending him beyond the arctic circle?

Maybe.

We have already discussed his motivations many times. He has sent a clear signal to the few decent citizens of Udmurtia that dissent can mean a nasty death - that is his "upside"

If that truly is his message, then it is extremely misguided.

I would hope Putin is a better student of Russian history.

Of course not. Zero upside. Gigantic, Titanic-size downside...


...because these citizens were just born and are clueless about all those terrible consequences even stupid Polaks on PF know so very well...
You should post a full-page ad in Moscow's biggest daily with all your wisdom about Russia...

Who did it then?

For people my age in Russia - it was ok to put the guy in jail.

But to kill him? To cut short, everything that he could have been?

That's perhaps a little bit out of bounds.

He was no saint, and he had many flaws - but they did everything to make him into a martyr.