Rape and sexual abuse in Poland

Rapes should be reported as soon as the victim is physically capable, not years later when the evidence is all gone. After the first lie from the victim, the investigation should be terminated and the victim charged criminally. I said this because the truth is the last thing you get from women and cops know it all too well, They know what self-inflicted cuts and bruises look like.

After "Jackie", things are a lot different now. This lying pos did more harm to the real rape victims than anyone.

If you don't know who "Jackie" is, google Jackie rape and you will.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

The "Jackie" case from Rolling Stone was horrific not least because universities have no business micro-managing or adjudicating sexual encounters between students - if a crime was committed then call the (real, not campus) police.

Of course that story was so over-the-top that many stopped believing long before the whole truth came out.

@mafketis▲ 0▼ 0

The worst part: the lying pos didn't give a fu*ck that she would be sending these guys to prison for years. This is the US, not the UK or Germany and we mean business.

All because she was trying to make her ex jealous.

What saved her as* only was that she didn't report the "crime" to the police and never testified in court so they couldn't hit her with perjury. Suing her would be as pointless as suing a homeless bum for his underwear. So she walks. My bet is that many still feel sorry for her even if they no longer believe her bs rape story. Yeah, she was confused and sad...

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

Not even an ex, it seems she was hoping that a guy she was crushing on would become interested in her if she told a story about being attacked (and then the story took on a life of its own).

@mafketis▲ 0▼ 0

You are correct.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

It's worth reading about the cases of Jemma Beale, Carl Beech and Esther Baker. All notorious false rape accusers, two currently in prison for making false allegations (one for 18 years) and the third receiving psychiatric treatment and forbidden by a court from repeating certain allegations.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

Pity and attention are irresistible to women. I know of not a single case where a man falsely reported having been raped.


I hope that not too many sick bastards out there are aware of this court order. Eventually, the wolf may actually come.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

I know of several cases, including a notorious one mentioned above, Carl Beech.


Agreed 100%. And of course making false allegations (which all have to be investigated, often at great time and expense) is an insult to genuine victims, to the people falsely accused and to the taxpayer, since police investigations are not cheap.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

That sentence, if it wasn't so long, should be a bumper sticker.

I just read about Carl Beech and the sentence below caught my attention as it testifies to my genius and the fact that I don't trust anyone and anything until I see compelling evidence.

Being a crime show junkie, I can safely say the American police learned the same lesson well and assume that everything they hear is a lie.

Here is the sentence:

"There is no doubt that in the early stages of the investigation, police officers proceeded on the basis that everything they had been told - remarkable as it was, and highly improbable in my opinion as it seemed from the outset - was the truth."

How nice and so stupidly naive.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

A lot of people think that too.

There were certain political factors involved as well as a reluctance to accept that sometimes people do lie about that matter.

Two of the ones I mentioned are in jail, and there is apparently an investigation into the other one, however whether or not there'll be a prosecution may depend on psychiatric reports.

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Some of the most damaging to the real victims are "rapes" in hotel rooms where the Weinstein-class creeps hire for the next movie. And not just once. "He asked me to come again and I did. Then he raped me the second time."

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

Is that what is important here?
Acting irresponsible, recklessly and stupid can get you raped or killed or both.
That should be a massage out there!
Not the one that is being sold - women can do whatever they want and if something happen the men or the patriarchy are to blame.

What kind of BS is that?

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

The first post in this thread that makes an ounce of sense.
Thank you I.S.
These stubborn girls here better start listening.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

.Men have in the past used the argument that a woman or a young girl acted seductively and that is why they just couldn't stop themselves and resorted to violence and rape. This bs defense came to an end after dissecting the victim's behavior was no longer acceptable, even if legal.

Men have two diametrically different instincts when they see a vulnerable woman: to protect or to rape. How one reacts separates humans from the human garbage.

As far as I am concerned, a woman can go naked to Central Park at midnight and no a-hole has a right to touch her. As Lenka said, it's stupid but not an invitation to commit a felony.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

Thank you for your opinion, now for mine.
As far as I am concerned, a woman running around naked at midnight in Central Park is an invitation to get raped.
Legality or rights play no part in it.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

It never can be.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

Never say never jon.
How about if she were to use her finger or a foreign object when he said no ?

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

Hard to know where or why you came out with that one and why you think it's relevant o anything at all.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

That was in response to you claiming that rape can never be the girls fault.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

Besides being stupid ( noone let's a burglar off the hook because for example a window was open) it is also problematic in different area- what actually is seductive clothing? And what is a wrong place?

Following that logic we can end up in the same place some muslim women are...

@Lenka▲ 0▼ 0

On my island, the guy who would touch her would be executed on the spot because she would be a police decoy and the places would be surrounded by the cops.

After just one such event, would you try to rape another naked woman in Central Park at midnight?

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

Rich we know you just woke up and your head is full of fantasies but we really must stay on topic today. Please
Your silly scenario would be called entrapment.



Wrong jon, rape is an unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception - compare sexual assault, statutory rape all of which a woman is capable of doing.

How many times have we read about perverted female school teachers raping their students.


Seductive clothing is see thru clothing or clothing that allows your private parts to be visible and the wrong place is where undesirables are known to hang out but not limited to.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

Indeed. It can't. Why would anyone think anything else?


As an attempt to twist things and wriggle out of an appalling statement, that one reaches new depths of inanity and stupidity. Are you suggesting that school children can be culpable for their teacher abusing them?

A schoolteacher is a man or woman, not a girl or boy, much less "the girl" as you tried to twist it.

If someone is raped, it is the fault of the rapist, not the victim.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

I just explained it to you very clearly why.


You were the one that said that it can never be the girls fault and that is exactly what you are trying to do, twist it like always.


Correct but that is not what we are debating.
We are debating that it is possible for a female to rape a male.
Ya trackin' here jon.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

No you didn't. You blustered and wrote some especially nasty bullsh1t.


Because it can't. A Teacher (or as you said, a "perverted woman teacher" is an adult, not a 'girl'.


No we aren't. We are discussing rape and sexual abuse in Poland. Not the fantasies of a rape apologist. If you have genuine concerns about women 'raping' men, perhaps cite some stats about Poland, describing its prevalence there.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

I don't know about that but I'm pretty sure you wanted to sound progressive cool and spewed some Marxist slogan to divide people. Suggesting that only females are only ever victims. Why would you do that?

Is not fault of the victims that is clear.
The only people that suggest otherwise are commies like you..

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

What are you trying to burble on about? What "Marxist slogan".


Who are you trying to pretend that suggested such a thing? Certainly not me.


Let's pick out the two stupid errors in your tawdry little statement. Firstly, as far as I know, there are no 'commies' here. Calling anyone who has more moderate views than your own extreme ones a 'commie' just shows up your own stupidity and venality. Second, the only person "who suggested otherwise" here openly espouses extreme right-wing views. So not a 'commie' at all.

Read posts before trying to comment on them, and ideally lay off the bottle before posting.

@jon357▲ 0▼ 0

Society stretched the meaning of "rape" to the breaking point and unfortunately, women were part of the process. The result: we got numb and distrustful.

Today, if both are drunk and she says yes, it's "rape" because being intoxicated "she could not consent". Sure.

Calling a brutal random act where the woman barely clings to life as she is wheeled into the ER the same way we label "rape" with a smile on the face of a pimply kid who just scored with his hot teacher is beyond insane. Later, one actually married his "rapist". Poor victim, evil woman...

Me-too "rapes" while applying for an acting job in the director's hotel suite - alone at 1 am after a night out - are almost in the same category.

As a juror, I would be seriously pis*ed if I had to listen for days about "rapes" by the same man of the same woman. The second "rape" a week later would mean that the first one was a lie. But, as we are told, women are always right and rape is what they say it is. And that will depend on how you behave after the "rape".

If she gets the role or an engagement ring, there was no rape. Just rough sex, your Honor.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

I actually saw a situation where the girl was so pissed she was only muttering 'no'. The guy was ignoring it but thankfully the host walked into the room, saw what was about to happen and threw the guy out.

And yes, a women sleeping with an underage student is a rape (of course I'm thinking Poland here). A 14 year old cannot give consent to that.

@Lenka▲ 0▼ 0

In the UK, that would be under 18, if one party is a Teacher, Youth Worker, Clergy etc. 16 normally, 18 if one party is in a position of responsibility or if money changes hands.

It happened to a guy I was at school with who became a Teacher. I'd not thought about him for years, then his face was all over the news having eloped with a pupil. She was over 16 then, and AFAIK that was one of the cases that led the government to raise the age to 18 in those situations.

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