Rape and sexual abuse in Poland

You don't know about such cases. Considering that you proved to be a callous feminist who doesn't care about innocent men suffering even half as much as you care for (or pretend to care)women suffering I will address you differently without assuming that you want to have a good faith argument.
What you are talking about is a fringe case, what I mean is such cases are extremely rare, yet somehow they are at the center of the argument because feminists used to sway public opinion with such manipulation, lies, and deception, I bet more than few stories you can read here and there are just made up stories. I don't mean to say by that that such things do not happen - they do but as I said they are extremely rare.
I bet there are more men falsy accused of rape than actual rapes they were unpunished after they were reported.
The way progressives are doing with abortion they present cases that are 0,00001 % of all abortions and make them the center of the argument,

the other tactic to mislead public opinion is Mothers Live - talking about women who die pregnant (very rare) as victims of strict anti-abortion laws, when in fact apart from a few other causes the main issue we have in Poland that causes those deaths is poor medical care or the fact that those pregnancies are geriatric pregnancies which very women after 35 has. So those women eneger themselves having their first or second child so late in life.
Abortion has nothing to do with it.
By the way, the feminist who cares so much about women's health in the pro-abortion drive seems to not give a damn about prostitution which is even deadlier and detrimental to the physical and mental health of women in such a profession. Quiet the opposite they say those women should be ashamed of themselves. If that doesn't tell you what a fake movement that is and how little it cares about the welfare of women nothing will.
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The lack of physical resistance did not stop men from being punished for rape as you seem to think. That is a strawman you build yourself.

Let me reiterate - the problem I have with the new legislation is that it takes the word of the accuser over the word of the accused without much evidence.
It leads to men being falsely caused and their lives destroyed which can be seen in other countries when such legislation had been passed.

That has nothing to do with justice and everything with hate of men and toxicity of bitter feminist women.

Here is a quote for you: "It is better than 100 guilty people should escape than that one innocent person should suffer" which stresses the importance of protecting the innocent over punishing the guilty in the legal system.

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

One joke from you, one from me and we have a balance. Ha!!!

You said that males will be afraid to ask women out. So I immediately imagined those empty cafes where people often meet on dates. Parks will be also empty. Zoos as well. Museums, cinemas. Hell, streets will be completely desolate!
Wow!! I like this new law even more.

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

No law in Poland takes account of the accused being accused falsely outside of the general penal system. You want to make an exception for rape. That has nothing to do with fairness.
How would you differentiate between false accusations and not having enough proof to prove the rape?
BTW, I do support punishment for false accusations (all of them). The thing is if you repoert what is a crime in your eyes but the police doesn't find enough proof that doesn't qualify straight away as false accusation)
And before you go on how often people have intercourse vs how often they are beaten up let me point out logical fallacy here:
Not every intercourse is criminal. Every theft etc. Is.
If you want to compare apples to apples compare how often people are raped vs how often they are beaten etc.

No it doesn't. It only changes the definition of rape. The prosecution still has to make a case

@Lenka▲ 0▼ 0

**** off to the desert!

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Sure you know better, countless examples to the contrary from countries that introduced such legislation mean nothing because you feel you are right.
Where do you think you are safer in Poland or the UK?

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

hahaha Can you change it for the jungle instead??? Please.......

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

No, I said they will be more reluctant to do so, as we already see from the popularity of movements like the Red Pill or MGTOW which are trying to demonize women using the common (and sometimes justified) perception of law (regarding not only rape but also divorce, alimony, child care etc.) among men, and trying to convince men that they are better off without women. One can hardly imagine a more destructive social phenomenon.

That's why it is vital that the law discussed in this thread, and any law in general, is fair, balanced and not biased towards any particular party.


Apparently our courts of law are able to do that because in majority of cases where man is found not guilty of rape (not enough proof) the accusing party walks away without consequences. Only when the malicious falsity of the accusation is obvious does the accusing party get a lawful sentence (of a monetary fine or a couple of months in prison - hugely disproportionate in comparison to what the accused man could face if found guilty).

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Another joke of yours is about the popularity of some movements I have never heard of in my life. :):):)


Exactly.

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

Because you're a boomer granpa. :)

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Yes, but a versatile one who knows what is happening in this country. And I hear about the Red Pill from you instead from the media. Amasing!!!

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

They don't try to demonize women but talk about the system being rigged in favor of females. Who are often brainwashed by feminist propaganda and that makes it so much worse.
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let me use your quote - buhahaha !

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

You have no idea how to use it pawian style. Ha!!!

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

Those movements are much more popular abroad where aforementioned legal regulations are already in place. If we want them to gain momentum in Poland as well, all we have to do is introduce similar laws.


I'm afraid they do both. They are destructive and toxic as f*ck. No point giving them more fuel by introducing hasty and unbalanced legislation changes.

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

I think we have enough of those already.
And if you think females seeing cases of rape not being prosecuted because the victim wasn't fighting ( when it seems everyone knows by know it's quite common reaction) doesn't add up to the men- female relationship problem? Females being scared of staying 1-1 with a man in case it may be interpreted as consent for sex despite repeated 'no'?

@Lenka▲ 0▼ 0

Evidently you don't comprehend the importance of protecting the innocent over punishing the guilty in the legal system.

@Ironside▲ 0▼ 0

@Lenka

As I said, repeatedly, I will support the new law if it is accompanied by increased penalties for malicious false accusations (not for cases of not enough evidence, obviously; as we see in our courts of law, it's not a problem). That's my opinion on the matter.

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Polled women say they would prefer to meet a bear in the forest rather than a male.


Sigh! I thought you meant Poland.

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

Better eaten than raped? Where is the instinct for self-preservation?

@Alien▲ 0▼ 0

Why don't you two clowns stfu and let this thread flow as Lenka, I.S. and Torq are having an interesting mature adult debate.

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

You should participate more actively to counterbalance the clowns! :):):) Remember our golden rule of balance in nature???

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

You should just stfu as you can see you have ended the flow of a very interesting and informant debate.
Thanks a pant load Pawian
The thread is all yours ................😒

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

Of course not. Lenka ended it after seeing that Torq and Ironside were twisting the debate by using crazy arguments.


Exactly. Tomorrow is also the day.


Why do you feel so miserable?? This isn`t the only thread in this forum, there are other equally interesting, too. :):):).

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

Yes, for example about mustards. 😀

@Alien▲ 0▼ 0

Because it is rare to have an adult discussion going on here without having some immature comedic like you butt in and take it of Off-Topic.
Now like I said, "The thread is now all yours."

@johnny reb▲ 0▼ 0

Alien, stop annoying johhny, we don`t need more escalation in the forum. Do you want him to suffer another meltdown???


Thank you.


There's a heated debate on the internet about why women would rather meet a bear in the woods than a man, following a viral TikTok video in which the fair sex almost unanimously claims that in such a situation they'd rather come face to face with the dangerous animal.

Who is better to meet in the forest? A bear or a male stranger? A viral video in which women respond has sparked a heated discussion on the Internet. All because the vast majority of women pointed to the bear . Although it may seem like a joke question, the discussion about the fair sex's sense of security is really serious. In the comments under the video, many people indicated that they share this point of view because they know what to expect from a bear , but they cannot say the same about a male.

@pawian▲ 0▼ 0

Flowers for Johnny. 💐

@Alien▲ 0▼ 0

Anybody can report anything 30 years after the fact, moron.

What would stop a woman from falsely reporting rape?

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

She would go, talk to the police and? It wouldn't go anywhere. It would be as is she went there for a coffee.

@Lenka▲ 0▼ 0

Exactly.

Not because of indifference or inaction on the part of the police.

It is because she would be advised of the following and then quickly make her excuses and leave:

Giving false testimony

Republic of Poland
The Penal Code

SPECIAL PART

Chapter XXX. Offences against the Administration of Justice

Article 233. § 1. Whoever, in giving testimony which is to serve as evidence in court proceedings or other proceedings conducted on the basis of a law, gives false testimony or conceals the truth shall be subject to the penalty of deprivation of liberty for up to 3 years.

This is why jaded women always prefer to use social media rather than the court system to attack men with false rape accusations.

Accountability is kryptonite to all women.



@Poloniusz▲ 0▼ 0

Women lie all the time - from 2 till they die.

Any man who believes a woman who says her husband has been abusing her for years is the dumbest moron walking on this earth.

Or repeatedly raped by her boyfriend...

Memo to stupid broads: Men and women are not meant to be friends. They are supposed to fvck for fun or to make a baby. So if a guy says let's meet at your place and watch a movie he means let's fvck.

If you accept the invitation and refuse the fvck part, you will die because men can't handle rejections and get violent when they are turned down.

@Novichok▲ 0▼ 0

Yes and women know this.

There was a video posted on social media the other day of a crazy control-freak woman complaining about her boyfriend.

He invited her over to his place to watch a movie. When she got there she told him emphatically that she would only allow him to cuddle with her.

So, thanks to decades of rabid male-hating feminism and men lives being destroyed publicly with false rape accusations, the boyfriend did exactly what his girlfriend asked and just cuddled with her while they watched the film.

Her problem with this? Now she thinks he might be gay.

@Poloniusz▲ 0▼ 0