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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


Paulina  16 | 4338
7 Jun 2024   #1741
Belarus began weaponizing migrants (and putain has followed suit).

Yes, and if we let them in Belarus and RuSSia would just bring more. We've already took in a lot of Ukrainian refugees. We can't just let everybody who wants in.

There's no reason for Poland to cooperate in this and there is no way that allowing any of them into the country serves Poland's interests.

I agree.

without hating on the individual migrants

I'm going to be hating on individual migrants who attack, injure and kill our soldiers, border guards and police officers.

the migrant that killed a border guard?

The one who got killed was a soldier - private Mateusz Sitek from 1st Warsaw Armoured Brigade. He was only 21:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/cala-wies-placze-mateusz-marzyl-o-wojsku-prawdziwy-patriota-7035943632829184a


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jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1742
I'm going to be hating on individual migrants who attack, injure and kill our soldiers, border guards and police officers

Which means you don't hate the other 99.99%

It's best not to judge an entire group of people by its tiny criminal minority, nor to forget that the other poor people being pushed through the border probsnly hate that one violent one too.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 919
7 Jun 2024   #1743
@jon357
You got my information from the admin. That if in Europe is illegal. You have stalked me online, which is also illegal. You a writing in public about things that have been disproven in court which is slander. You are a pu$$y who hides behind a screen name, and does not have the balls to talk to be or provide your information. Provide your attorneys contact info and he will receive notice next week. There are a lot of people here who would love to see you shut down, lots of messages about you were received. You and your grooming activities. You are a coward, the worst kind.

@mafketis
I made comments on immigration. The POS started another personal attack toward me.
mafketis  38 | 10956
7 Jun 2024   #1744
that desperation in the global south

They have agency. They can stay and try to fix their countries or they can go to Europe and try to drag Europe down to their standards (like the Afghan who stabbed a police officer to death in Mannheim Germany). His asylum claim was rejected 10 years ago and he was somehow still in Germany and made the choice to attack people he disagreed with and to kill a policeman. I am going to hate on him as much as I can.

POS started another personal attack toward me

Let's all try to avoid responding in kind. His overly personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with his open borders policy are a tacit admission that he can't win on facts and arguments.
Paulina  16 | 4338
7 Jun 2024   #1745
Which means you don't hate the other 99.99%

Of course I don't, but it doesn't mean I want them all in my country either.

And first and foremost - there are legal ways of immigrating to Poland and of claiming asylum in Poland.

Poland could well do with a new influx of people.

Depends which people. I don't want mass immigration from Muslim countries to Poland. The example of Western countries show that the more of them come the less likely they are to integrate in the host society (since they're creating their own bubbles-communities) and that creates problems that I don't want to have in Poland.

Here's an interview with a Pole living in France about the 2023 riots - he's been living in France for 30 years and for 25 years he's been a football coach in JS Suresnes managing the U18 team:

sportowefakty.wp.pl/pilka-nozna/1068406/starcia-obok-domu-polskiego-trenera-we-francji-nie-zanosi-sie-na-koniec

"Wojtyła explains the broad scale of the problem - I think it's not even their fault - he says. - The first problem is family education. These are the kids who are being brought up without fathers. They quit school when they're 14-15 years old, they have no profession, no education. They look at the example at home where often the parents don't work - he points out. - It isn't so simple that I'll have a talk with someone and that person will change the behaviour - he adds.

The Polish coach also talks about the cultural aspect and the environment which is "sucking in" teenagers. - This is the third generation of immigrants in France. They grew up here, but they don't accept this country - Wojtyła enumerates.

What is even worse is that in every big city there is a huge problem with drug trade. Those are most probably organised groups that recruit young people. A lot of evil is coming from this. A boy who can earn 1000 euro in a day won't go to work. Those are often boys who have weak character. Many of them quickly quit training football with us, because they wanted to get results right away. Many of them don't know how to fight for themselves and sport is first and foremost a lot of effort. They want to be rich right away - tells us Wojtyła."

Later in the interview Wojtyła says that they've managed to "save" many boys from such fate and on individual basis they have something to offer. The problem is when they join the crowd. They spend with coaches only a few hours. Most of the time they spend within their community though and they're influenced by that environment the most.

And more:

"The serious problem started 20 years ago and unfortunately it's only getting worse - he says. - Every time there's an escalation. It looks like this - a mob is running ahead vandalizing everything in their path. They burn schools, kindergartens, libraries. Tragedy - he comments.

The coach is thinking about his future in this country - I'm wondering myself how long I'll be living here. My kids are finishing university, they grew up in France and they also are unsure if they are going to stay. I don't see a future for my grandkids here - he throws up his hands."
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1746
They have agency

That is naive. Of course they have 'agency' and the people involved (from a low information culture with an unrealistic view of the west) took a chance to have a better life based on something that was offered to them by malign state actors. I suspect most would prefer to have stayed in safety at home.

His asylum claim was rejected 10 years ago and he was somehow still in Germany

So again, it's the fault of the government in question for handling the situation badly.

@PolAmKrakow
An amusing rant, and all fiction.

As I said earlier, if you had more personal restraint and personal honesty, you'd have a shorter criminal record and no need to make silly threats that you can't see through or make up nonsense about people "grooming". Now run along; haven't you got a closed down restaurant to not run?
PolAmKrakow  2 | 919
7 Jun 2024   #1747
@jon357
Again evidence of more stalking. Not closed dummy, sold. But thanks for proving your stalking me. Another screen shot added to evidence.

@mafketis
I have ignored him for quite some time, and he still wants to provoke me. Yet not man enough to provide his info. This is because he is not a man.

Poland and the rest of the EU does not need the scum that France, Germany and Sweden have allowed to ruin their country's. Even Joe Biden just made an order making in nearly impossible for illegals to enter. Immigrants are leaving Canada like crazy and returning to where they came from because it has gotten so bad there. Now Canada is trying to charge them an exit fee. The globalist socialist revolution is about to be stopped, and not a minute too soon.
Paulina  16 | 4338
7 Jun 2024   #1748
Wojtyła

Sorry, it should be "Wojtyna" every time in my translation of that interview.
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1749
@PolAmKrakow
No 'evidence' at all 😂

The globalist socialist revolution is about to be stopped

It hasn't started yet. But will.

Perhaps it's better to criticise r*SSia for ćreating this border crisis rather than be distracted by subject give opinions about completely different places.
mafketis  38 | 10956
7 Jun 2024   #1750
It hasn't started yet. But will.

Socialists usually institute travel restrictions....

unrealistic view of the west

Andrew Hammel recently mentioned an interaction in a German class for newcomers he was in. An arrival (from Pakistan IIRC) could not understand the concept of welfare benefits.... to the extent he did understand them they were something to take from the stupid state. He was no more prepared to understand the complexities of a modern technocratic state and social safety nets and high trust socieites than a dog would be....

Western civilizaiton is a sublime, yet fragile, creation and cannot withstand the arrival of ever greater numbers of people who at the end of the day are mostly looking for handouts and who despise the values of the country.
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1751
Socialists usually institute travel restrictions

No Labour government in the U.K. or Socialist government in France has ever done so.

Are you confusing Socialism with totalitarian Communism?

cannot withstand the arrival of ever greater numbers of people

So as I say, the fault lies with governmental policy.
mafketis  38 | 10956
7 Jun 2024   #1752
the fault lies with governmental policy.

If you mean the governmental policy of letting people in and/or letting them stay when they have no legal or moral right to... yes, weak and feckless politicians have done tremendous damage and continue to do so. There's no reason for Poland to follow that particular lead.

No Labour government in the U.K. or Socialist government in France

Both are solidly capitalist societies.... socialism refers to government ownership of the means of production.
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1753
If you mean the governmental policy of

That and wider.

If you keep whole swathes of the world down and if human development is as asymmetrical as it has been, then it will come back to bite you.

Remember Maf, that 8mmigratio; can't be reversed; we need to concentrate on developing the next generation.

And as I said, this thread is about the current border issue, not migration as a whole.

socialism refers to government ownership of the means of production.

Sort of. It's actually the workers' control of the means of production, either through the French statist model or through the British mixed model. Both have very large state/regional/cooperative sectors, despite the Tories' attempts to sabotage that, and both have a high degree of public control over capitalistic activity.

And don't forget that our Health Servić is the third largest public sector employer in the world, after the Chinese Army and the Indian Railway.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 919
7 Jun 2024   #1754
@jon357
Oh its evidence faggot. Which restaurant btw? I had more than one. And you should see the latest.

Biden has now given these "asylum" seeking terrorists a total of 4 hours to obtain legal representation, or their petition is denied and they are turned away. He still hasnt closed the border to illegal crossings, but the act of signing the document shows the people they are being heard. Londonastan might want to take some notes.
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1755
We're talking about serious things. Try to show some much needed self-restraint, felon...

Biden

Is not the President of Poland or Belarus.

It's quite clear that the current border crisis is an act of hybrid war by r*SSia; another reason to support Ukraine and ensure they have the tools to finish the job. The fact that it's escalated recently is a worrying sign. There have been a number of incidents recently, saboteurs in Poland, a bomber in France, a cyberattack in the U.K..

Putler obviously wants to increase fear. A very wise person once said that we "have nothing to fear except fear itself". Whatever Putler does, we shouldn't allow support for Ukraine to wane, even if he pulls a stunt during Euro 2024 or the Olympics,

The Olympics are a particular worry due to France's stance. We should not however worry.
Korvinus  2 | 567
7 Jun 2024   #1756
Of course I don't, but it doesn't mean I want them all in my country either.

x.com/wroblewski_m/status/1799066157657575492

right

Green deal, immigrants (i.e. bandits), p(l)andemic, jewish members in the Sejm, etc. etc. But the lemmings still vote for POPiS...
Miloslaw  21 | 4990
7 Jun 2024   #1757
It's 100% French

Have you been to France lately?Obviously not.

It's a trend caused in very large part by the high birth rate among the middle classes in that region and lack of industrial development.

Please stop making excuses for these illegal immigrants.

Ethiopia's actually a nice place

Really?So nice that you haven't moved there yet.....

So in fact you're saying it's the fault of the people for electing governments who enable the situation?

To a large degree, that is true, people need to really THINK who they are voting for and there are loads of elections in the western world this year.Except in the UK, I expect a huge swing to the Right.

Only leftist globalist scum who want to see the downfall of nations,

I can't agree more.
jon357  73 | 23034
7 Jun 2024   #1758
Have you been to France lately?Obviously not.

Twice this year.

making excuses

What 'excuses'. Don't you think it's better to analyse a situation dispassionately rather than sound like a Daily Mail reader mouthing off in Wetherspoons?

Really?So nice that you haven't moved there yet.....

Sarcasm is so dull. Truthfully, I may move there at some point. It's a nice place, though majority rule is causing problems at the moment.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 919
8 Jun 2024   #1759
@Miloslaw
Marseille is now one of the most dangerous cities in the world. France is a terrorism target with the summer Olympics and all the illegals there now. So many German cities are destroyed by illegals. Kabab is everywhere and schnitzel is difficult to find. There is no blending in to communities it is the expansion of cultures that are not wanted or naturally present. Globalist plans will be coming to an end. Soon Macron will be done, Schultz will follow, and the people will take back the systems that have been fvcking them for the last 15 years or so.
Ironside  50 | 12357
8 Jun 2024   #1760
OK, enough chich chat. Now what we can do to Lukashenko and his cronies?
He had a long run but that generosity that let him run amock without facing responsibility and consequences of his actions needs to end,
jon357  73 | 23034
8 Jun 2024   #1761
Now what we can do to Lukashenko and his cronies?

Wait until he dies.

He's grooming his youngest son for power (the older two are potatoes and frankly stupid) and has sent him to Moscow. Taking the son out may help however it's unethical. With Belarus, just wait; there's nothing there.

Kabab is everywhere and schnitzel is difficult to find

People prefer kebabs to greasy bland schnitzels.
Alien  24 | 5669
8 Jun 2024   #1762
Kabab is everywhere and schnitzel is difficult to find.

This is not true, schnitzel is the national dish of Germans for adults and children, my children ate schnitzel with fries in restaurants much earlier, before they grew up to eat kebabs, and even now kebabs compete with McDonald's, e.g. today it will be Mc Donald's.
Ironside  50 | 12357
8 Jun 2024   #1763
e.g. today it will be McDonald's.

You mean today it will be a healthy meal? lol!
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Wait until he dies.

Nah, Poland waited long enough. Soon instead of Belarus, there will be Russia and nothing much will be done. The time to strike back in now.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2132
8 Jun 2024   #1764
The one who got killed was a soldier - private Mateusz Sitek from 1st Warsaw Armoured Brigade. He was only 21:

Well that makes it personal for me. A lot of people got reshuffled from category of: "Stupid, but doesn't know they actually need help and are being fooled" to "Blacklisted and enemies"
mafketis  38 | 10956
8 Jun 2024   #1765
you don't hate the other 99.99%

I don't hate them and have some sympathy for them. But they have no legal right to enter Polish territory and I'm fine with using force (up to lethal force) to keep them out.

Every migrant let in is a signal to 10 back home that maybe they should try their luck too..... how is that sustainable?

I always ask migration/migrant supporters how the current model is sustainable and there's never an answer.
Ironside  50 | 12357
8 Jun 2024   #1766
many

It doesn't work like that. Litigation you talk about won't happen because you have no claim here.
It doesn't matter what is legal or illegal in Europe this forum is an American forum and if you want to bring anyone here to court it has to be an American court and American law applies. And as far I know all your claims against jon are no issues in American courts.

Unless something changed recently.
jon357  73 | 23034
8 Jun 2024   #1767
using force

Normal enough.

They're pawns in Putler's evil games, however it is incumbent on Poland to behave more decently than r*SSia.

how the current model is sustainable and there's never an answer

Probably because there isn't one. Migration will only increase over time though.

all your claims

He doesn't have any. All p1ss and wind from a proven disreputable character who likes to dish it out and tries to get nasty when it comes back to him.
mafketis  38 | 10956
8 Jun 2024   #1768
Migration will only increase over time though.

An unsustainable process that only increases = social collapse (or leveling to the point where socially and materially life in Germany = life in Congo).
jon357  73 | 23034
8 Jun 2024   #1769
An unsustainable process

Yes. You've said all this before at least a dozen times in threads about it and (like this one) not about it.

The question is, what to do with Lukaszenko.
mafketis  38 | 10956
8 Jun 2024   #1770
You've said all this before at least a dozen times in threads about it

Cause I never get an answer.....

what to do with Lukaszenko

He's probably the smartest politician in the region (the potato moose shtick is an act).... help him go straight for stabbing putain in the back.... not easy and not good for queasy stomaches but probably doable.

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