What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

Yes. They aren't coming in for religious reasons; they're coming in because Lukashenko (with Putain behind him) has created a situation. And so far, the numbers have been small.

It's escalating right now. There are some difficult times ahead on the border.

No sh*it. Wow! Another revelation of nothing.
Are you capable of saying something we don't know? I mean anything...


Said Mr. Obvious.

How old are you?

Smuggling illegals over the border?

Are you both in the same country?

Said Mr Pointlessly Sarcastic.


Decades behind you. Most of us here will have to live with the consequences of what's happening now on our border. It is very real, and affects those of us who live within driving distance of that border


As you know, the issue is far broader than just the current people-smuggling. What do you think the next development will be?

I told you....there is no majority in any european country to take them all in....2015 was an informative event about "pull factors". This wouldn't be happening right now if Merkel would had made the right call back then too.

A mass immigration by non-europeans with another culture/religion isn't democratically feasible...and as far as I see it (since we have no power over their home countries), the only workable solution is to build very quickly very high and stable walls. I don't see any other by the majority accepted solution....

To support my impression an interesting poll from June this year in the leftist TAZ of all media:

(google translation)

Opinion poll on migration policy: majority against accepting refugees

Many Germans do not believe in a more humane policy towards those seeking protection. They rate integration efforts as having failed.

taz.de/Meinungsumfrage-zu-Migrationspolitik/!5779674/

....When asked whether the refugees who have come to Germany in the last 10 years are well integrated into society, the picture is even clearer. There is not a majority in any of the groups that have been broken down to answer this question in the affirmative. Overall, only 12.5 percent of those questioned believe that the integration was successful. Almost 30 percent answered "partly partly", around 57 percent against it "rather no" or "no, definitely not".

Broken down according to employment status, voting behavior, income and place of residence, there is almost everywhere a consensus not to allow any further refugees into the country.....

That's an interesting point and you backed it up with data, however the question I posed is a little different. A genuine question about what you think the next development at the border will be. Today's footage looked quite grim and a Polish soldier died (mishandling a gun rather than being shot, but still sad).

There are unconfirmed reports that the 5th Spetsnaz Brigade turned up earlier today.
twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1459523589829533703

Hmm.....directly at the border.....difficult!

I just read that Iraq offered to send airplanes to bring willing Iraqis back home....that would be a start.....that is if Lukashenko lets them leave!

Another media reported that Putin advised Merkel and Lukashenko to speak directly together, he himself is seemingly only interested in the further Gas flow....

I'm abit scared to think what Lukashenko might demand from Merkel....and that Merkel might give it to him....so...I have absolutely not much of an idea....

Knaus' idea to build camps in Ukraine wasn't that bad (if we could convince the Ukrainians that is...they want probably money for "keeping" them)...but at least they would be out of the cold then, with food and medical support....

How about telling this forum what you would like to see done at the border.

You do have opinions of your own?

He obviously wants the sanctions against his regime lifted, however that's not Mrs Merkel's decision. I don't know what she can offer him, and suspect that Putin's words about them talking don't mean much. Russia blamed the reverse in gas flow on atmospheric issues, which has caused some scepticism. Anything can happen.

*nods*

At this time yes....

Belarus forces attacking Poland's border fence.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/belarus-forces-filmed-attacking-poland-border-fence/vi-AAQFu0m?ocid=msedgdhp

I hope Poles are aware that even if Belarus and Russia are destroyed (let`s say hypothetically), in the eye of western Europe, USA and Vatican reasons for existence of Poland won`t be bigger but in fact nullified. The next day Russia is no more, Poland would be overrun by her friends. See, to them, to western Europe, USA and Vatican, all, I mean ALL Slavs are nothing but cockroaches for extermination.

In other words, you can turn yourself into salt, be bigger Pope then Pope himself but you, we all are only that- cockroaches to them.

An interesting article on it in the Telegraph today:
telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/11/13/exclusive-liz-truss-tells-vladimir-putin-end-shameful-migrant/

And here's today's original OpEd piece by Liz Truss that the article refers to. When the Home Secretary writes something like that, it can be considered 'official' and intended to be read by other politicians and diplomats. She doesn't mince her words and doesn't pretend that the issue is solely about either migration or Lukashenko. She doesn't like Nordstream 2 either. It's written in politicians' language, however it gives the UK government's position clearly.

"We need to fight for the rule of law, freedom and democracy, and we must take that fight to where that ideological battle is. Security is no longer solely about military hardware. The battle is now taking place in cyberspace, the economy and in the appalling use of people as collateral."

telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/13/must-stand-together-freedom-democracy/

Interesting analysis by: "Good Times Bad Times PL"
It's only in Polish tho on YouTube
I have offered to translate it for free by voice or text to english/norwegian since it was high quality production and very good presentation of information not being shared yet otherwise.

Only viewed this video from the channel so far.
Here is the link:

Seems like CNN sides with Lukaszenko!

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114881,27801724,niemcy-monachium-zapowiedzialo-ze-przyjmie-migrantow-koczujacych.html#do_w=46&do_v=142&do_st=RS&do_sid=289&do_a=289&s=BoxNewsImg9

Munich wants to accept migrants from the Polish-Belarusian border. "Quickly and without unnecessary bureaucracy" In a statement published by the Munich authorities, we read that the city wants to accept migrants who have been staying on the Polish-Belarusian border for several weeks. "We can no longer watch these people remain at the EU's borders without prospects and uncertainty, and even die of hunger and disease," Mayor Verena Dietl stressed.

Drone video of the border.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/belarus-releases-drone-footage-of-migrants-camp-at-polish-border/vi-AAQERfI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

There's a big push expected tomorrow.
twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1459838359627575301

If anyone's interested in last night's strobe light issue, here's what it looks like:
twitter.com/Den_2042/status/1459438760370884611

Rewarding them for breaking the law - surely that will bring the movement to a standstill!

A former commander of the Polish foreces said that without Russian help Belarus doesn't stand a chance against Poland. It would take us a three days to take Minsk.

Die Welt Poland has the right to defend it border. Thank you Germany. Very generous of you.
The last poll - only 8% Poles do not support Warsaw policy toward Belarus.

NATO must take "concrete steps" to resolve the migrant crisis on the Belarus border, the Polish prime minister was quoted as saying on Sunday,

msn.com/en-us/news/world/polish-pm-calls-for-concrete-steps-from-nato-amid-belarus-border-crisis/ar-AAQGoGb?ocid=msedgdhp&li=BBnb7Kz

If that is the case then America wants NATO to put troops on our Southern border to stop illegal immigration. :-o

It is not about illigal immgration it is about Russia and Belarus using people to destabilise EU, NATO and Poland.
Are you sure USA border is about illigal immigration. Seems to me USA let them in because they wnat to.
Its funny as USA border agents are ah-oles with their attitude to people with passports, money and return ticket while at the same time USA border is being crossed by about 1000 people 50% of them with drugs or guns.

They are allies.


And three minutes for an SS25 'Topol' (700 kiloton) to reach the troop column. That would be the first step. The second would be a Topol on a certain army base if not a Tsar Bomba (50 megaton) on Warsaw. Then NATO would retaliate and Europe would be ash.

One of many reasons that countries don't invade their neighbours nowadays.

UN Security Council members trade blows over Belarus
Claims Belarusian border guards gave wire cutters out to cut the fence.
(More video of the border)

msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-security-council-members-trade-blows-over-belarus/vi-AAQC2Ez?ocid=msedgdhp

OK, PF leftists, here is your chance to say what you think Poland should do. Let them in or keep them out?

No buts, no howevers, or other evasive crap.

In or out?

If you gun them down (migrants) most Russians won't blink an eye, and even support it. Too bad that eu (and un and what have you) would try to use it against Poles. As long as no Belarus or Russian is hurt. nobody on this side is going to care (except bleeding heart redards). Alas, if only democracy worked as advertised.

The US has become a lawless sh*ithole where the government parasites are the criminals and traitors who aid and abet the more common kind.


I thank you for this brilliant post. You made this a good day.

There is not an iota of difference between shooting a beam of blinding laser and a slug from an AR-15. It's time to use those ARs.

Poland is better than "gunning down" civilians. The military here are soldiers, not third world insurgents.


Almost everybody sane in Poland would. Plus The International Criminal Court in The Hague would too. Even very.

Cut the crap and the legalities.

In or out?