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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


jon357 74 | 21,781
14 Nov 2021 #991
Cut ...the legalities.

One thing that can't be done.

Poland takes very great care to be on the right legal and moral side.

Cut the crap

Learn some manners or be quiet.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,745
14 Nov 2021 #992
The german SPIEGEL writes that Poland, together with Latvia and Lithuania, thinks about asking for Article 4, to request a NATO special meeting.

spiegel.de/ausland/konflikt-mit-belarus-polen-erwaegt-beantragung-von-nato-sondersitzung-a-d7993ce2-7595-414a-8623-8f9cc7b5a776
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #993
We live in utterly crazy world.

What would Poland tell to NATO on that special meeting. Something like... `Poland knows how all of you love Poland very much and now, since we have problem with the Belarus we want great sh** with Russia to happen exactly in Poland. Sure we allow Russia`s planes to fly over Poland bringing most heavy armament to Serbia, S-400, armata tanks, maybe even ICBMs included but, besides that we have very ugly relations with Russia. So don`t try to understand us but help us screw ourselves.`
mafketis 36 | 10,707
14 Nov 2021 #994
What would Poland tell to NATO on that special meeting

"Belarus, with probably Russian help is committing armed aggression at the Polish border"

An avowed and open enemy of Poland, like yourself, wouldn't understand.
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #995
You are stupid? Russian planes fly to Serbia via Poland whenever we Serbs want that. They bringing us most heavy armament. Via Poland and Hungary. Poland and Hungary only asked Serbia to use Russian civilian transport planes so they can maneuver over EU/NATO restrictions. Never asked what is in planes.

What NATO have with it? Where is NATO or EU in it?

Are you people all idiots? You don`t see that elites of EU using migrant crisis to screw Poland. What should Belarus do? Keep migrants in Belarus? Merkel called them to western Europe. Poland should just provide an escort.
mafketis 36 | 10,707
14 Nov 2021 #996
Russian planes fly to Serbia via Poland whenever we Serbs want that

If Serbia is siding with Belarus and Putin in the border issue then maybe that should change.

Poland should just provide an escort

Not only do you side with Belarus and Putin against Poland(!) you want Poland to act in a treacherous manner! What is wrong with Serbs?

Merkel called them to western Europe

No, she did not. You're also dishonest. Dismissed. Leave and don't come back.
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #997
If Serbia is siding with Belarus and Putin in the border issue then maybe that should change.

Serbia have special position within Slavic world.

We have interest wealth flow within Slavic world is uninterrupted. Western Europe have obvious different interests.

Let it flow.

you want Poland to act in a treacherous manner! What is wrong with Serbs?

Don`t be hysteric. Leadership of Poland have obligation only to people of Poland and to Slavic civilization that, as we all see, ultimately represent only thing what securing Poland to be Poland as Slavs of Poland want it.

Border issue is created by stupidity and sinister malevolence of western Europe. Poland is normally just transit state.

No, she did not. You're also dishonest. Dismissed. Leave and don't come back.

She did. Germany is leading western European country. Was.
mafketis 36 | 10,707
14 Nov 2021 #998
She did.

When did she say anything of the kind in the last five years?
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #999
an article

'We can do this!' - Merkel's famous words five years on after refugee influx to Germany

> dw.com/en/merkel-germany-refugees/a-54769229

When more and more refugees came into the country..

Merkel expressed her optimism in the simple words "We can do this!" in a press conference held on August 31 of that year.

mafketis 36 | 10,707
14 Nov 2021 #1,000
'We can do this!'

I asked within the last five years. You lose. That quote is six years old. You lose (or you're stupid enough to take Lukashenka at his word).
Korvinus 2 | 453
14 Nov 2021 #1,001
Almost everybody sane in Poland would.

Apparently migrants are juicy targets for local criminals since they carry dollars.
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #1,002
Poles, just escort migrants to Germany where they belong.
jon357 74 | 21,781
14 Nov 2021 #1,004
juicy targets for local criminals

Sadly yes, and some have had their clothes and the camping equipment stolen too.

More work for the police in a situation that's difficult enough as it is.
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #1,005
Whaaaa? Why do they belong here???

They feel invited. Its not neither Poland's, neither the problem of Belarus. So Germany should invest in migrants, in Germany and if suddenly they aren`t welcome there, then in domicile countries of migrants. Germany and other former colonial powers. Not us Slavs, in any case.

How I heard Duda coming soon to Serbia. I hope Vucic convince him what is good for Poland and rest of Slavic world. Its obvious we Slavs have specific interests in the world. Firstly, we need peace and stability to progress.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,745
14 Nov 2021 #1,006
Germany and other former colonial powers.

I believe we had one colony once....for a short time.....those immigrants come from elsewhere....
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #1,007
See to your other western European friends and leading NATO powers, not with Poland and Belarus.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
14 Nov 2021 #1,008
. Its not neither Poland's, neither the problem of Belarus

You cynical old.manipulator.
This is 100% Belarus supported by your old friend.Russia and you know it.
Bulgarians have still not forgiven Russia for supporting Serbia in the Serb Bulgarian war.
You need to tread carefully my friend, Russia is only a friend to itself.
It does not care about Serbs or any other Slavs.
There is no Slavic union that you so dearly wish for.
It is everyone for themselves.
And your little country will be lost.
Crow 155 | 9,025
14 Nov 2021 #1,009
And your little country will be lost.

My country is above just being a country. My country is original core of the Western world. Lepenski Vir. Serbia. Living heart of Sarmatia.

This is 100% Belarus supported by your old friend.Russia and you know it.

I know more then you. Belarus and Russia do have right to provide transit to refugees. Poland have same right.

There is no Slavic union that you so dearly wish for.

Racowie don`t seek any union. Racowie suggest we Slavs think and progress and survive as Slavs. To do so we coordinate.

Why do you think Vatican and Greeks organized genocide on Serbs? Because they know that Serbs act as the motor for the flow of wealth within Slavic world. Flow securing independence. Flow is life.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,745
14 Nov 2021 #1,010
Asked how they assess the government's actions on the border with Belarus in response to the ongoing crisis there, 39% of Poles say they view them positively and 36% negatively, finds a new poll

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1460015983297536001

The same pollster found that 70% of the public think that the opposition should cooperate with the government in its response to the border crisis

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1460015990868262915
johnny reb 48 | 6,797
14 Nov 2021 #1,011
Why Belarus is using migrants as a political weapon.
Kind of explains things.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-belarus-is-using-migrants-as-a-political-weapon/ar-AAQHrW9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,745
14 Nov 2021 #1,012
.....the EU meeting tomorrow Monday should be interesting!

I doubt that the EU plans to give Lukashenko the possibility to "save face"....
jon357 74 | 21,781
15 Nov 2021 #1,013
should be interesting

It should indeed, and they'll have a lot to talk about. Relatively little of it will be about the migrants though; they're a distraction from the main issue, basically maskirovka.
Crow 155 | 9,025
15 Nov 2021 #1,014
Good thing is that every political pressure on Poland from EU ended these days. All focusing on border.

ahahah hahaha hahahah

Brate Duda i Luka dobar JEB. Jebite govna pa rasturajte. You both have drink in Serbia.
johnny reb 48 | 6,797
15 Nov 2021 #1,015
.....the EU meeting tomorrow Monday should be interesting!

The EU has accused Belarus of encouraging migrants to come to its country, then sending them into Poland and other neighboring union countries.
Crow 155 | 9,025
15 Nov 2021 #1,016
In the wake of his visit to Moscow and announced visit of president Duda of Poland to Serbia, Serbian president issued call for peaceful solution in Poland-EU-Belarus border.

``I expect peaceful solution of migrant crisis on Polish-Belarus border,`` he said. At the same time president Vucic hope that relations between Belarus, Poland and Lithuania could be better.

> b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2021&mm=11&dd=13&nav_category=11&nav_id=2056021
amiga500 4 | 1,520
15 Nov 2021 #1,017
religious? All the evidence suggests that it was anything but...

Don't be silly. It was a cultural issue and in some cultures religion is a very strong factor. The ultra-conservative Deobandi sect control most of the sunni mosques in england with their preachings of the immorality of the western women and that kafirs are unclean. Funnily enough most of the mosques in Iraq, where you lived , would be way more moderate than the ones in Rotherham and U.K. spectator.co.uk/article/who-runs-our-mosques-
jon357 74 | 21,781
15 Nov 2021 #1,018
and in some cultures religion is a very strong factor

And in others it isn't. A lot depends how rural and conservative a culture is.

There is no evidence that the men involved were at all religious.

The ultra-conservative Deobandi sect control most of the sunni mosques

Not in Rotherham they don't. In fact some of us who were there at the time )or within 10 miles, anyway) remember quite a lot of trouble about that in the town back in the 70s.

mosques in Iraq,...would be way more moderate

Very full on there, if anything with the men having a very conservative attitude to women. BTW, I didn't 'live' there.

This is a distraction from the real issue though, trying to focus on the individuals and families who are being used as pawns. As you know, this is a far broader issue than the religious observance (or lack thereof) of the people brought to the border by Putin's maskirovka.
amiga500 4 | 1,520
15 Nov 2021 #1,019
it isn't.

We are discussing pakistani rural immigrants, religion is one of the predominant factors.

There is no evidence

There is a lot of pressure in muslim communitiies to go to mosque every week or every month, kinda like catholic sons and daughters in poland.

I concede that religion is not the full story but selling 14 year old girls to multiple men a night, branding them with a hot iron, spitting on them, dumping them in the middle of nowwhere after being raped by 4+ men is not something a native englishman would do. The mothers of the muslim perps yelling at the sexual abuse victims and calling them wh*rs in court is proof enough.

Not in Rotherham

Have you attended mosque and understand arabic to know that for a fact? The real problems started when tony blair opened the flood gates and instead of a principled quota migration system it was , as one of his ministers said, we sent out search boats for migrants.

This is a distraction

Yes you are really batting an atrocious wicket, old chap i'm afraid, i'm quite willing to bowl a yorker but in the interests of english chivalry let's get back on topic.
jon357 74 | 21,781
15 Nov 2021 #1,020
pakistani rural immigrants

None of the people convicted there were immigrants.

Have you attended mosque

I've spent years there, when it was all going on.

And yes, the individuals who Putin is using as pawns are a distraction from the real issue between Russia and the west, and of course Poland's delicate position.

It's going to be an interesting (or even nieciekawy) day today; there's a particular push that Belarus are doing at the border and the response from the Polish side is key to what happens next. At least it takes some of the attention away from the incompetent Polish regime's shortcomings, however the situation is particularly dangerous today.

Incidentally, late yesterday the police arrested some foreign journalists near the border. Interesting what they'll report about Polish prisons if they're put in one.


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