What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

Sadly, it's become normal now and will not become less normal any time soon.


This is a test we will either pass or fail.


European countries have either made war or administered all three of those countries.

The dysfunction preceded European involvement in Afghanistan and Somali which have always been ultra-violent, low trust, regressive religious train wrecks.

Iraq had more potential but at what point does a country become responsible for itself? If Iraqis can't make their country functional that's on them.


Doubtless in the 18th century you would have accepted the Atlantic Slave Trade as the new normal....

The International Human Trafficking Industry is pure evil top to bottom and a major source of human misery in the world today. It needs to be eliminated root and branch.

Migration certainly preceded the nineteenth century and will outlast the twenty-first.


It was, sadly, very much a new norm then. And it didn't disappear on its own by waiting for social conservatives to stop grumbling about change. Nor did it go quietly or quickly.

they want to destabilise the eu and no one wants to stay in poland it seems besides the ukrainians for some reason that just love it. I always wonder why they dont act like other migrant groups and even stay.

rt.com/russia/539674-biggest-attempt-poland-official/

"Root and branch" means death to the plant. Good idea. But when the penalty is 5 years, out in 2 or less, the plant will actually bloom because during that time it's a chance to rest, get your teeth fixed, and enjoy soccer on TV. I want it, too.

On the other hand, the Chinese penal system...or even in Singapore...

Bullets and not rubber ones

Some parts of the wire fence have been destroyed by migrants with cut down trees.

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Why are you so sure? It's forseeable that the european left will adopt the radical immigration and integration policies of the Danish Social Democrats in the next 10 years, this will be triggered by the invetible economic downturn/crash.

Everything, absolutely everything, will depend on the course and outcome of the war.

So you are the other sane one here. It's amazing what effect a still-warm dead body has upon those who didn't get the memo.

Interesting how Belarus helping Poland to become important country of EU over night. Interesting. So Duda and Luka now fo* Brussels in duet.

That Brussels has become first class who*e.

So now you're not so sure? The crux of the matter is the working class deserve perpetual wage increases and that is impossible with the impacts of mass migration.

I was driving om Warsaw-Minsk highway couple of days back and there are so many cars with foreign plates parked on the side and on the highway.I was told those are the people/relatives of the refugees from France,Italy,Germany etc who are to pick up there people stuck on borders.I even saw a group hiding in a field by the highway.Its a total mess and one is not allowed to go near the border area with police stops even on remote roads.They said around 10k refugees are crowding up and planning to crash in Poland and spread anytime.I even saw a group that looked like refugees in Warsaw Central station,guess waiting for train to Berlin,but the cops walking by overlooked them.

I checked Minsk airport arrivals and they still have over 20 flights coming from middle east everyday all by Belarusian airline "BELAVIA"

Close the borders with Belarus and Russia completely for both cargo and passenger movement. The cost will be overwhelming for them.

They only understand the language of power.

Not only this. The EU can block Belarus on many fronts.

Hey,look at the bright side,Lukeshenko is not opening his prisons and sending all the killers and rapists like Castro did.Maybe because most in Belarus prisons are political prisoners,and he cant let them out or they will organize abroad against him.

Yes, I remember reading an article about it in Newsweek magazine about 40 years ago. I still have this issue somewhere... :)


Belarussians don`t need to organize abroad coz it already is. They need to make a revolution and topple the regime - now it is obvious they have no other way out of this mess, coz the new sanctions will ruin their economy in the longer run and Russian aid won`t suffice.

Polish soldiers were attacked with tear gas by migrants...

onet.pl/informacje/onetszczecin/polscy-zolnierze-ucierpieli-bo-migranci-rozpylali-gaz/61ed2lb,79cfc278

... so now Belarus is arming them with gas. I wonder when will they give them proper weapons. This will get nasty if the EU/NATO don't do something soon.

Police also reports armed migrant groups robbing houses in the border area. More police forces are being sent from Masovia. This gets more and more serious...

My mom thinks there could be war soon on the border or maybe in poland as a whole between ruscy and Poland. Its getting crazy now shes trying to get me in two days to pack up and leave for germany.

@Strzelec35
Calm down your mom, nothing like this will happen.

I dont know man what if they arm them with weapons and polish border guards start firing back and they camaflauge them as refugees but use russian soldiers or special forces to escalate it and biden doesnt intervene in any way since he is an isolationist?

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do you guys think that Germany and Russia will carve up Poland and make it prosperous again?

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Calm down. It is not the time for Russia or Belarus to invade Poland. Not yet.

EU needs to introduce the harshest sanctions possible. Not the current "some individuals, some companies, some goods in some time with some loopholes left" approach, but sanction everything right now. Total trade and logistic blockade of Belarus, complete embargo, no business whatsoever in any industry and walks of life.

And it's not just Belarus that needs to be sanctioned. No way this is happening without some approval and/or support from Russia - punish them too. Sanction all the countries, airports and airlines involved in this.

Yes, it will cost EU money, but it's time to realize that safety and well-being are not free, not when you have neighbors like Belarus and Russia. We are under attack, and defense does cost money. And the longer it is tolerated the more expensive it gets. Act now, help Poland.

For those worried about "sanctions only hurt Belarusian people, not the regime", EU can make it easier for Belarusians by giving them more opportunities to escape the sanctioned totalitarian zone that is Belarus. And in the long-term, Belarusians will only benefit from destroying the regime.

As long as the EU authorities are unwilling to act, they create hell for the Polish and Lithuanian border guards with their own hands.

Lukashenko not a problem only for Belarusian people anymore, he's a a threat to the whole Europe. He must be stopped.

But of course this will NEVER happen. Merkel is in love with that juicy Russkie gas pipeline, so nothing will be done. It's always about the money. German media will start propaganda how fascist Poles beat innocent women and children once **** hits the fan.

I wouldn't be so sure....and Merkel is on the way out, she is a lame duck now....in that regard the decisions lay with the EU anyhow, it's not a german problem only!

German interior minister Seehofer and SPD general secretary Klingbeil already asked the EU to do something, the pressure on Brussels is mounting....

tagesspiegel.de/politik/polen-verurteilt-hybriden-lukaschenko-angriff-seehofer-und-klingbeil-fordern-eu-zum-handeln-an-grenze-zu-belarus-auf/27781302.html

@Korvinus

I agree with everything in your post except for this...


... it would mean betraying Poland, and Germany are our allies.

...as if you don't have nutty open-borders lefties!

The key is to keep the leftist half-wits under control, and away from any state-level decisions.

....well..."Mutti" Merkel won't make any selfies with these people anymore....that's a plus! :)

We'll not avoid it, whatever our views on that and politics.

The Belarus crisis will pass, however much of the world is truly ****** and people will do anything to get from there to places they perceive as better. A few decades ago, there were major advances in medicine. Those advances cut infant mortality massively. There was not however a major advance in living standards or education, nor were there pensions of universal health care introduced, nor was there a reduction in crime or in conflict. For a lot of the world, having as many sons as you can push out is the difference between starvation later in life and survival.

I worked in Africa for 3 years until just before the covid. In one of the poorest countries on the planet. The median age there is 19, and that country's meagre resources have not responded and that country's former colonial overlord (France) is happy for its companies to sell them cheap tat and tinned food but still does its best to stop them making anything to sell or developing their economy. This is repeated worldwide.

Plus, the world is getting hotter and some places that were already hard to scratch a living in are getting harder. Nigeria already has over 200 million people and will reach 300 million before the century is out. Yet the Sahara (which already covers part of Nigeria) is visibly growing year on year.

In Iraq, whole extended families live on 500USD to cover food for a dozen people, education (not free), housing and medicine. (and many families don't even get 500) while the country's oil revenue disappears somewhere.

20 years ago, people in the developing world were crowded round black and white TVs if they had access to one at all. Now, there are cheap Chinese smartphones and they watch TV and films on them. Sitting in squalor but watching all the bling of American TV series which seems like unimaginable wealth. And they want some of that. Who wouldn't?

It isn't about Poland (most people in the world know nothing at all about the country) except that the Poland Belarus border is a weak spot. There will always be weak spots and right now, the biggest is here.

The only thing we have in our power to change are our borders....that's why the "Festung Europa" will be build.

The rest of the world we can't save all nor have we any kind of control over....