What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

How do you know that? Stalin didn't. Up and down all night like a tart's knickers.

and carried it out without really trying to hide. I can read now that the mail about the bomb threat was sent 24 minutes after the regime started the hijack operation. Funny.

Who is bothered by a strong Lukashenko?

:)

I spent a hour or so to find any materials by this "journalist" dated by dates he allegedly served in "Azov". Under real name, or their "Kim" callsign. No luck. Maybe you will be more productive in this search? ;)

People who value things like freedom of expression.... that seems to not include a lot of people here.

Support for Lukashenka is support for imprisoning people for their political views, support for electoral fraud (unless you want to try to say he won 80% in 2020), support for corruption and despotism.

I don't support any of those things so I don't support Lukashenka....

Exactly. That`s an Asian approach to ruling - Eastern nations like Russians learnt it from their Tartar masters long ago and can`t give it up. .

@mafketis, @pawian

Many people told that pets after a time become somewhat similar to their masters... ;)

So, brilliant quote on this matter. ;)

> The English are well known throughout the world for their lack of political scruples. They are experts at the art of hiding their misdeeds behind a facade of virtue. They have been at it for centuries, and it has become such a part of their nature that they hardly notice it any longer. They carry on with such a pious expression and deadly seriousness that they even convince themselves that they are the exemplars of political virtue. They do not admit their hypocrisy to themselves. It never happens that one Englishman says to another with a wink or a smile "We don't want to fool ourselves, do we now." They do not only behave as if they were the model of piety and virtue - they really believe that they are. That is both amusing and dangerous.

See? Again... defense based not on any kind of moral principles but "X is bad so I get to be bad too!!!!" this is an infantile defense and shows that Russia will never achieve very much because it's oriented toward brute force and cynicism and so will naturally lose those with talent and scruples.

I've long said that Russia (the state) has nothing to offer people who are intelligent and honest.

The intelligent and dishonest thrive in government and business.

The unintelligent and honest live humble, drab lives.

The unintelligent and dishonest live wretched lives dreaming of the glory of military conquest as they idolize those who steal from and repress them.

The intelligent and honest are taken advantage of and exploited or simply leave....

Which are you?

That's true, I've done that myself for photomanips, it depends on what and how many photos you have available though. I had a quick look at photos posted by Velund. The first photo (in the phone) - it doesn't look like it's him. The second photo - the guy is wearing a balaclava, so it's hard to say if it's him or not. Third photo - it looks like him, but he's the only one wearing something around his neck - it could be used to hide photomanipulation. The last photo - again, he's the only one wearing a balaclava. Additionaly, there's something wrong with that balaclava and the area on the right of his neck and head looks a bit fishy - it doesn't fit any of the cars, so it could mean sloppy photomanipulation. I'm using my phone now, so I would have to have a closer look later on my computer (preferebly with high resolution photos).

I've also noticed that he's the only one wearing yellow goggles. The soldiers are all wearing the same goggles.

Since Protasevich was working for a year as a journalist in Ukraine, it's possible he simply accompanied the Azov Battalion, as war correspondents often do. The founder of the Azov Battalion stated that Protasevich "fought" against the occupation of Ukraine with Azov and other units, but as a journalist he was doing it with words, not with a gun. That would mean he wasn't a soldier in the Azov Battalion or any other Ukrainian unit:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Protasevich

Those are my conclusions for now.

I strongly doubt that current western elites is so much honest. They is well trained how to do "honest faces" though, but that's all....

And about being intelligent and educated... Judging by the "soap operas" arranged in recent years to "propagandize" new sanctions against Russia, the script writers are not very knowledgeable at all. And they have problems with logic.

But one thing always comes through. Any attempts by Russia to behave peacefully are seen as weakness. Any agreement with the demands - as a pretext for new ridiculous claims, with no end in sight.

Those who have read Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita must remember the phrase "it will be given to each according to his faith. You have assured yourself that Russia is your mortal enemy, and you act accordingly. You will receive according to your faith in the end.

You totally missed mafketis point, he was talking about the masses and how they deal with the system/culture set up by the elites. Ie how are normal people living in Belarus/Russia compared to normal people in Poland?

That's not what I asked... again, it's almost as if Putinites know their position is indefensible so they hungrily search for things that are also wrong to justify it.


maybe by Russians themselves, and Russia is just as much (maybe more) of a colonial power as any Western European country... so be a colonial power, be prepared for people to talk sh]t about you and to own up to it. How do Russians feel about their colonial past?


I actually think I'm more pro-Russia than you. But I don't support rotten strongmen neo-tsars to make the point. Russia has tremendous social and educational capital and amazing potential - that they waste with Robber Baron politics and nasty little bouts of military aggression. I'd like to see Russians put their tremendous potential to good use - but too many Russians have no interest in that...

Me too....

But here comes the thing, the technology (and Photoshop) have evolved enormously. It is nowadays possible to fake the fakes totally real....you can even fake videos....it's called "deep fakes".

A photoshopped head is today, if done by professionals, nearly indistinguishable....and I wouldn't put Lukashenkos dogs /KGB as amateurs...


I doubt his aquaintance with Azov in the first place....so.... :)

For example?

Since Korea, it has been "we will kill you because we love you".


But that doesn't apply to Germany. Now, the ex-barbarians are our friends because they "repented" and give us money.

Meanwhile to get Back On-Topic
A Belarusian passenger plane flying from Minsk to Barcelona turned back on Wednesday after Poland said it may not be able to enter French airspace.

Poland currently allows Belavia flights to enter its airspace.
Air France canceled a Paris-Moscow flight on Wednesday after Russia failed to approve a new route bypassing Belarus, the airline said.

Thank you dobri brate.


You have the point here.

We can`t even compare merging in `Russia stile` and merging in any western `European stile`. Look how Germany and Vatican enabled formation of Nazi state of Croatia during WWII where 1 mil. Orthodox Serbs was exterminated and Catholic Serbs exposed to violence and cultural genocide. What is abominable same continued in 1992 when Germany and Vatican destroyed Yugoslavia and again enabled Nazi, apartheid and clerical state of Croatia. That is EU and NATO.

Russia? Far far from perfect. Very far. But give 20 to 30 years more to EU/NATO in their sadistic and sado-mazo approach and Russia would be welcomed even in Poland. Which I don`t advocate but just telling for the record.

Yeah...let's meet here again in 30 years, Crowie! :)

Instead, look 30 years back and see what happened to the West and what happened to the USSR and Russia. Not even close.

The whole thread is only marginally about a diverted flight. It's about the evil of Belarus' "dictator" and tangentially Russia's - no names, no numbers. Just general feel-good bs.

One day soon, Eastern Europe - Belarus and Russia included - will be a reminder of what happens when idealistic Western morons run their own places into the ground the way California's idiots did their state.

If that plane is any indication of how Belarus will protect itself from the Western rot, I salute Belarus and its "strongman".

As you salute Hitler, Putin and China....we get it, there is a pattern....

The more autocratic, the more brutal the dictatorship, the happier it makes you!

For example - whole story with Navalny poisoning. At first, absolutely stupid script, where a group of FSB toxicology experts hunt for them whole year just to find a moment and plant a portion of absolutely deadly WMD to their trousers to kill them (I think some drug addict with a knife will be far more productive and cheap). Then Navalny does not die (suddenly) and fell in coma (just to remember - scientist who has been ocassionally exposed to Novichok in the lab got immediate treatement, survived, but ended their life quite soon and been deeply disabled). Then international part of show started - and every step of good will from Russia caused only more heavier accusations and more rediculous demands. And show continued until Navalny started to frame german Chancelor personally. Then he found itself on board of a plane to Moscow and to prison.

I always viewed the Navalny story as an insult to the good name of Russia's version of the CIA. My sincere hope is that they are, like Mossad, a lot more competent than the way Western presswhores claim. When they want somebody dead, they die and, like you suggested, in a manner that is not easily traced back to them.

Unless they want to, which probably was the case with that a-hole with Polonium 210 for a snack in the UK who just couldn't figure out what STFU means. Now the dissidents running their mouths off from the safety of a foreign country know. Good. You want to be a hero? Do it at home.


And especially when they don't give a fu*ck about "international opinion" which, like a bad fart, dissipates quickly. That is why I respect Russia and the way it responded to that snake NATO, Ukraine putsch, and the process of encircling. Now, Crimea is Russia's. This time forever.

Did you see that bridge they built in less than 2 minutes?

You see the poisoning of a leader of the opposition as "weak"? They got caught, that was stupid....not weak!


Thing is, they don't care about their internal opinion either....hence the brutal opression of any opposition.

Tell me Rich, if a government doesn't care about it's people and their opinions, what right does it have to rule over it in the first place?

I tell you both something from my experience:

For the 40th birthday of its founding the GDR threw a big party....everyone was invited....country leaders....so the world could see a huge parade....proudly marching soldiers in perfect formation...besides gleaming most modern weaponry....the whole old guard above waving generously back to its happily waving people down there....

Everybody could see how strong the GDR was....everything was running smoothly....the GDR worked great....everything was fine...the rulers were uncontested....

That was in the summer of 1989....only a few months later the wall fell....without many tears by its population at all...

You know what I learned from that? The power and glory of dictatorships is more often than not only a lie, a nice wrapping, not more! The bigger the sh*it they want to sell the bigger the parades and the "waving crowds".

The "weak and spineless" West will survive them all!

I see it as hardly laughible standup show with a stupid script.


In your fantasies and in imaginary reality, created by MSM.

They don't debate what you write. They debate what you should have written to fit their perverted view of Russia. It's like a cult that needs a boogeyman to keep the stupid in line. Now, for a moment, they have Belarus to amaze themselves with.

BTW, I am still waiting for the evidence of torture and oppression. In the meantime, just for reference, the US has 4 times as many in prisons as the world's average. 650 vs 150 per 100,000, to be specific, and twice as many in Belarus.

It is too big business to sell slave inmate labor to big corporations, to simply stop it.

It has been known since the time of Einstein that the legal field is distorted near large monetary masses, and when the legal field is heavily distorted, a horizon of events can arise, leading to a fundamentally unobservable sub-horizon space.

So just do what the Tsar tells you?

The Tsar, Lukashenko, and Putin never fired anyone for using the "wrong" pronoun or saying that gay is not normal. The many little tsars here did.

I guess as long as you don't criticize the glorious leader and follow all their wisdom with your head down you don't have to fear to get jailed, poisoned or kidnapped...

Surely much better!