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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,761
I've never heard before

Are you intimately familiar with every sentence Conrad ever wrote in his novels?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,762
Conrad

Conrad spoke French fluently from early childhood but did noto choose to write in French because that language reuqired too great precison. Asked why he did not write in Polish, he explained: "I value too much our beautiful Polish literature to introduce into it my worthless twaddle. But for Englishmen my capacities are just sufficient: they enable me to earn my living".
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,763
Polish literature

If the subject of Conrad's polonisms interests yoiu, you may find this study fascinating:
bazhum.muzhp.pl/media//files/Acta_Neophilologica/Acta_Neophilologica-r2012-t14-n1/Acta_Neophilologica-r2012-t14-n1-s5-17/Acta_Neophilologica-r2012-t14-n1-s5-17.pdf
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,764
small part of their income

So where does the lion's share of hteri incoem come from?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,765
Good news.

More good news! Members and sympathisers as well as the Ladies' Auxiliary of the shadowy Polish Uniformed Services Association is gearing up to march shoulder to shoulder with PO, what's left of .N, KOD and other Schetynas on 6th May. Incidentally that is a nice-sounding euphemism for a group affiliating former nail-pulling and rectal eletric-prod inserting SB types as well as assorted ORMO widows, ZOMO wives, etc. They are holding a conference at the Sejm on Saturday to coordinate their protrests against rightfully losing part of their fat-cat pensions which most Poles think they shouldn't have ever received in the first place. But KOD's Kijowski and PO's Budka says we should be grateful to them for protecting us(?!)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Apr 2017 #2,766
TUSK TO DEFEAT DUDA IN THE SECOND ROUND

Supporters of the "good change" government were in shock this evening after a second poll dealt a knockout blow to their junta. The poll by Kantar MB revealed that in the second round of the Presidential election, Tusk would obtain 50% of the votes of Poles, while Duda would only receive 45%. The public have clearly had enough of the notary Duda, who signs every single act presented to him by the government without fail regardless of the feelings of citizens. By this time in 3 years, the remains of the "good change" will be condemned to history, and Duda will be nothing more than a bad memory.

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/548470,donald-tusk-andrzej-duda-sondaz-wybory-prezydenckie.htm
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,767
signs every single act presented to him by

Shades of hyPOcrite Komorowski who signed nearly evey scrap of paper placed on his desk by the PO scamster regime. He did send a few to the TK if I recall, but so has Duda. Seeing the splinter in someone else's eye...isn't that how the Good Book desribes such hyPOcrisy?!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,768
second poll

PM Szydło correctly said the oppositon is enamoured of poll results and concerned only about threir own politcal future, not the nation and people's probelms as such. Hence they have absolutely no programme other than chronic PiS-bashing. Wait another month and things will fall back into place. Petru will be under 5%, PiS will resume their 10-point lead and the caravan of good change will travel on. Those deluded souls have anotherehr thign coming who think all that Poles are truly looking forward to is watching more ranting and chanting on the streets with the SB, ORMO, MO and ZOMO torture thugs and baton wielders arm in arm with Budka, Schetyna, Gronkiewicz, Petru, his Madeira travel mate, the inimitable Kijowski and a other similarly "savoury" types.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Apr 2017 #2,769
condemned to history

PO has already been condemned to the trash bin of history except they don't know it yet. A passing uptick on the survey cricuit has filled them with false hope that they will again be able to milk Poland for all she's worth with impunity. No such luck, lads. The verdict of hsitory has been handed down. The good change will remain a permanent fixture on the Polish scene long into the future. Of course, the mangy curs will bark, yap and snap, but the carvan will calmly move on nevertheless!
Nathans
28 Apr 2017 #2,770
Poland, like the US, has been duped into the two party system. In the long term, both are fraud and work against 'we the people'; one party wins one year, another in 4 years and the permanent political class grows to a size of a monster parasite.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Apr 2017 #2,771
Nathans - monster parasite
Hard to disagree with you there. No-one in Poland or anywhere else for that matter has found a way to curb bureacratic proliferation. Think how much money could be saved and put to far better use with a 150-member Sejm and 50-person Senate, by holding all elections on the same day (yes the parliamentary term would have ot be lenghtened to five years or the presidential one shortened to four), downsizing officialdom's salaries, using Opels and Škodas as government cars rather than pricier BMWs and Audis.... The list goes on. So far only minority anti-establishment groupings have even advocated savings not on ordinary people's welfare but on the bloated bureaucratic elite. Too many oldboys to reward for their favours, too many palms to grease....
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,772
Poland, like the US, has been duped into the two party system

Nathans, Poland does not have a two party system. None of the current parties in parliament (except PSL) are very well-established or have much history.

All have various camps and all have had and will have splits.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
28 Apr 2017 #2,773
Yes, almost all political parties in Poland are primarily power vehicles for a single, charismatic leader. Anyone who develops their own power base will be kicked out (Rokita from PO, Marcinkiewicz and Ziobro from PiS) and they don't survive the departure of the leaders very well.
Harry
28 Apr 2017 #2,774
PO has already been condemned to the trash bin of history except they don't know it yet.

If that were to be true, it would be no surprise. Few Poles know that PO has been condemned to the trash bin of history. In fact, if you ask Poles, more of them say they support PO than any other party. But then most Poles think that the idea of democracy has not been condemned to the trash bin of Polish history, while the loyal supporters of The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski would happily see it disposed of and replaced by the system of one-Party rule which they liked in the past.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Apr 2017 #2,775
Harry - say they support PO than any other party
For the first time in two years and things are likely to return to normal very soon. ie PiS 34, PO 20, Kukiz12, Petru 5. PM Szydło has pointed out that the figures she's interested in are not fly-by-night poll results or media speculations but growing indicators revealing Poland's robust and dynamically expanding economy.

The main reason why PO has inched ahead of PiS is that many respondents who had previously backed Petru's .N have switched their support to the PO scamster clique.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,776
if you ask Poles, more of them say they support PO than any other party

Very good news, and a logical effect of the behaviour of the PiS junta.

Nobody really expects them to continue in their current unsustainable form.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Apr 2017 #2,777
but growing indicators revealing Poland's robust and dynamically expanding economy.

The thing is that we've been here before. The economy was booming between 2005-2007 and PiS still lost in a landslide.

many respondents who had previously backed Petru's .N have switched their support to the PO

Doesn't matter what the reason is. What matters is who is winning, and PO are doing just that.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Apr 2017 #2,778
jon357 - say they support PO
One fact lost on all the overenthused and blinkered backers of the scamster party is that PiS and Kukiz15 still exceed PO & .N by a score of 39-36. If elections were held tomorrow, with that result President Duda would have no choice but to ask PiS/Kukiz to form a coalition. A little more modesty would be oin order for power-starved Platfomrers. They have yet to explain how it happened that the Polsih nation handed them post-1989 Poland's first landslide defeat with PiS winning outright in 2015.
Atch 17 | 3,429
28 Apr 2017 #2,779
Poland's robust and dynamically expanding economy.

Yes but the present government can't take credit for that. That's the result of years of efforts by a number of people and most importantly the help of the EU and The World Bank. Without their knowledge and support, Poland's economy would not be in the position it is now.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,780
What matters is who is winning, and PO are doing just that.

Basically yes. Political alliances change fast in Poland and as the PiS junta collapses we can expect a lot of opposition to them continuing. As last time, they sneaked in on a low turnout, and last time of course the nation came together to get them out.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Apr 2017 #2,781
jon357 - a two party system
Neither does the US in that every party is free to compete but they never get too many votes. So it would be more precise to call it an efffective two-party system.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,782
Looks like the PiS junta's disastrous decision to damage Bialowieza is now escalating:

The EU warned Poland on Thursday (27 April) it may take legal action to stop logging in a UNESCO World Heritage forest, risking a new clash with Warsaw's right-wing government.

euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/primeval-forest-risks-sparking-new-eu-poland-clash/
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,783
More good news, more U turns by the failing PiS junta. In this case, they've backtracked on a particularly unpopular piece of gerrymandering.

Poland's ruling Party backs out of plan to expand Warsaw

apnews.com/tag/Warsaw
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Apr 2017 #2,784
jon 357 - backtracked
Admitting msitakes takes lots of courage and shows wisdom and prudence. One can see the result of a mere two maverick polls have caused your adrenalin rush, but never forget that polls in 2005 showed that Poland would be doomed to a President from Kashubia and a PM from Kraków. More recently Komorowski had 60% support against some unknown called Duda (Who?). Tusk has been careful not to admit his covert 2020 presidential bid too early on, cognisant of his 2005 flap.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,785
Admitting msitakes

They didn't admit their mistakes - they just cynically backtracked as usual.

mere two maverick polls

Neither 'mere' nor 'maverick'. Great that the latest polls are showing good news. This is becoming something of a pattern. Great also that the PiS junta is crumbling fast.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
28 Apr 2017 #2,786
You have been infected you have caught from some agitated fools. Nothing changed much in reality - those polls are just a joke.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,787
those polls are just a joke

They're serious polls, credible and true.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
28 Apr 2017 #2,788
Don't tell me you're buying it.
jon357 66 | 17,078
28 Apr 2017 #2,789
The whole of Poland is.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
28 Apr 2017 #2,790
You do realize results of these polls are not factual. So far nothing major changed in the political attitude of the Polish people.

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