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Poland's post-election political scene


Harry
25 Apr 2017 #2,671
you are evidently wrong when calling him with the title of "First Secretary".

So who is the First Secretary of the Party these days?

the most powerful person in the country (without any of that pesky responsibility that others face). That is a PRL model.

Without the responsibilities but also without the immunity that comes with a government post. Of course that is also the PRL model too.

I would like to appeal to the mods to issue a warning to you (or even suspend you for using incorrect titles).

Go ahead, hopefully they can also look at the off-topic ad hom trolling that you are posting in an attempt to drive this thread off topic and away from discussing PIS's mis-deeds
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,672
'criminals'.

And LL graciously turned common criminals into dissdents. Excessively embellished facts and hyperboles designed to mislead ARE ALSO LIES!
BTW is the figure for the number of times this insinuation was repeated correct?
Incidentally, there is no such station as Radio Maybach -- yet another concoction of the ever vitriolic LL!?
Harry
25 Apr 2017 #2,673
Don't forget about the ones who were awarded high office under The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski.

an expanded RT clique encompassing the "Nocna zmiana" mob which under variyng party logos were to rule the roost until October 2015.

Interesting that you consider the Kaczynski twins to be part of the RT clique encompassing the "Nocna zmiana" mob, but you clearly must, given that they ruled Poland as PM and President at the same time.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
25 Apr 2017 #2,674
who is the First Secretary of the Party these days?

There is no First Secretary these days in Poland. JK is Chairman of the party. So I keep up my demand to the mods for issuing a warning to you for abusing official titles.

to drive this thread off topic and away from discussing PIS's mis-deeds

If these are mis-deeds or not is subject to opinion. These are mis-deeds in your eyes, but they are "deeds" in Polly's eyes. You have surely heard of 'good change', haven't you?
Harry
25 Apr 2017 #2,675
LL graciously turned common criminals into dissdents.

LL? Surely you don't want to call another poster by a name other than their username? That's supposed to result in a warning. As for who turned dissidents into criminals, that was the communist state which some volunteered to serve and others wrote about so glowingly. Of course, if you'd like to claim that TDLFSK (The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski) actually swore an oath to only prosecute non-politcal criminals, please give us a source or two to support that claim. Sources are what people such as Delph and I use to support the facts we post about things such as PIS councilors beating their wives and lobbyists being involved in shady deals in which PIS buys things that Poland doesn't need and doesn't buy things Poland does need.

there is no such station as Radio Maybach -- yet another concoction of the ever vitriolic LL!?

There's no newspaper called the Kosher Courier and certainly not one called the Jew York Times, but you still use both those names. Personally I'd like to see a ban on all made up names for all people, posters, parties and media, but that ban would need to be enforced.
Harry
25 Apr 2017 #2,676
JK is Chairman of the party.

Please be careful that nobody reports you for an L: Kaczynski is the Prezes Partii in PIS. Given the way that he uses the position (to say nothing of the way in which he is 're-elected' for it), I'd say that Prezes Partii is far better translated as First Secretary of the Party than as Chairman.

These are mis-deeds in your eyes, but they are "deeds" in Polly's eyes. You have surely heard of 'good change', haven't you?

How is wasting billions in a shady deal for VIP jets that Poland doesn't need which is brokered by a lobbyist who promptly flees the country a 'good change'?
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,677
jailed under martial law by communist oppressors who were lavishly rewarded with medals, bonuses, honours and promotions by Michnik-style "free

That would be Adam Michnik who was jailed, while the 'interesting' Kaczynski brothers mysteriously remained free...

I'd say that Prezes Partii is far better translated as First Secretary of the Party than as Chairman.

He's carrying out the role of First Secretary of the Party. There's a long tradition among politicians of his sort in this part of the world of being the leader without actually being president. Stalin, Krushchev and Brezhnev all did it that way.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,678
Yet another distinguished person has refused an award under the honours system from the current regime.

This time saying "he 'has followed with sadness the declining international prestige of Poland as a result of the actions of the current government', citing its 'violation of the independence of the courts' and media. He says that its actions have 'awakened fears in citizens like in the days of the PRL'. "

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kolejna-osoba-odmowila-przyjecia-orderu-od-andrzeja-dudy-6115788851067009a
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,679
"Nocna zmiana" mob

Kaczyńskis and Olszewskis were not part of the Nocna Zmiana mob. Those were: Tusk, Kuroń, Pawlak, Kwaśniewski, Moczulski, Michnik. Bielecki and a few more that I can't recall off-hand. You and your chief disciple regard the Kaczyński years as an insignifcnat interlude, the Olszewski months even more so. Again nitpicking so as to pretend you missed the point. Pretty lame. Your bag of cheap tricks needs to be renovated. Better luck next time!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,680
awarded high office under

Care to compare that with the number of PRL-era SB types and PZPR members awarded high offices under SLD, UD, UW, PSL and PO? Off-hand the count would be at least Nocna zmiana 20 - PiS 1.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,681
another distinguished person

Lower-case jon's idea of a "distinguished person" is a French stoogette of the evil billionaire Soros out to destroy the world.
lol, rotfl -- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,682
Po thinks that Pan Stebelski-OrlowskI is

a French stoogette

Who knew?

Interesting though that the puppet Duda might give an award to a "stoogette", which she wisely refused due to it being currently tainted.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,683
@Harry
re-elected the way Tusk was to the European Council. The sole dissenting vote saved the honour of EU-style democracy. At PiS congresses there are laways no votes and abstentions -- that's the democratic way, in case you didn't know. The unanimous vote the EU wanted to pull off was taken direcftly from Stalin and Hitler.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,684
The sole dissenting vote

reinforced the current junta's reputation as a laughing-stock.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,685
result of the actions

The reuslt of the actions of the frustrated total opposition who have spared to effort and lost no opportunity to deride, ridicule, malign, slander and badmouth their own country to foreign media, governments, NGOs as well as the EU in the twisted belief that they were predestined to rule indefinitely. Somehow it has never occurred to them that post-commie Poland's first landslide victory was telling them how fed up most Poles were with PO misrule.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,686
reuslt

Simply increased the existing ridicule in which the PiS junta is held and further highlighted their petulance and instability.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,687
PiS junta

That approach is not surprising since all that's left for the frustrated opposition is to seeth and simmer in impotent rage, becuase their landslide defeat has rendered them politically harmless. The PO want a parliamentary commission to probe the chopper business, but they lack the votes to pull it off. Schetyna is calling for yet another rant & chant marathon -- some ex-SB colonels, ZOMO wives and a few other misguided souls will surely turn out to pound the tarmac. What a band of pathetic losers!!!!!
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,688
What a band of pathetic losers!!!!!

Who by next election will almost certainly be in a position to form a coalition to replace the PiS junta. And then the reckoning will start.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,689
Stebelski-Orlowski

Know nothing about the bloke. He may be a worshipper of the Soros-Michnik denomination. The main thing is that at least seven Mexicans gladly accepted the decorations bestowed by President Duda. There's a rotten apple in every barrel!

However, Orłowski but could also be an entirely innocent victim of Poland-bashing by the liberal-left media with no access to alternative news sources. If so, it would only show that giving Poland a bad name has been the only achievement of the PO losers' camp.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,690
worshipper of the Soros-Michnik denomination

Oh dear, Po, you really ought to show a bit of personal restraint.

the liberal-left medi

You mean the professional media that most people read, rather than the untrusted PiS junta's propaganda...

with no access to alternative news sources

Given that he's a retired Honorary Consul, we can reliably say that your statement is the usual rubbish.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,691
retired Honorary Consul

Then he was probably an appointee of the previous scamster PO regime. Who knows is such a one would bother to consult alternative soruces and would be content just to absorb the outrageously pathetic bias spewed by Szehcter's rag.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,692
scamster

There you go again.

pathetic bias spewed by Szehcter's rag.

That would be Poland's most respected newspaper. Very picky about who they employ and who they wouldn't touch with a barge pole, eh, Po.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Apr 2017 #2,693
Rather than listen to Polly's rants, it would be better to look at the latest international disgrace on the part of PiS.

There was a vote in the Council of Europe on Turkey, which was to express concern about democracy in Turkey. Instead of voting with Christian Europe on the matter as PO and Nowoczesna did, PiS chose to side with Muslim Turkey.

wyborcza.pl/7,75399,21693686,pis-rozumie-turcje-i-glosuje-przeciw-rezolucji-zgromadzenia.html

Shameful. PiS are now backing anti-democratic Muslim regimes over Christian and democratic governments.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,694
PiS are now backing

Again more proof that using a dodgy source such as GW distorts reality. Why not condemn France for introducing martial law?! Martial law by definition restricts human rights and enhances police powers including wider possibilties of searching premises and detaining even slightly suspected individuals. The fact is that exceptional threats reuqire exceptional means.

Turkey is in a far worse predicament than France. It is threatened by Islamist terrorists, under attack by Kurds and has a war raging along its border. The PiS MEPs only stated that the situation in Turlkey should not be judged from a cushy Strasbourg vantage point. But true to form, GW phrased things to make it seem that PiS favour emergency measures and curtailment of human rights per se.
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,695
PiS are now backing anti-democratic

Entirely par for the course that the PiS junta would admire Erdogan's extreme authoritarianism and hatred of constitutional democracy.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Apr 2017 #2,696
Entirely par for the course

Entirely par for the course that those who take their cues from G(ówniane) W(ieści)
don't (to use an old Americanism) know sh*t from Shinola!
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 Apr 2017 #2,697
That, Po, doesn't actually make any sense at all. As usual, you're doing yourself no favours here.

Very significant that the PiS junta now support Erdogan over democracy.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,698
jon357 - over democracy
There was "people's democracy" and Ancient Greek "democracy" which condoned slavery and sex with teenage boys... Presumably in this case you're referring to EP-ocratic "democracy" where overpaid and overfed eurocrats impose their skewed PC version of theoretical democracy on other countries entirely ignoring a nation's sovereiegn referednum as well as security threats which necessitated the emergency measures in the first place. Typical of fuzzy-brained utopianist lefty liberals with their head in the clouds and hand in the chamber pot.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,699
Apparently you are not will versed in the Yankee vernacular! And why should you, coming from a nation that invented the limbo (dance)? As you know, it was invented by a Scotsman trying to get into a pay toilet!
Atch 17 | 3,427
26 Apr 2017 #2,700
Poland's most respected newspaper

Speaking of newspapers I see that Poland has fallen seven places in the global freedom of the press index and now occupies position number 54 lagging behind Tonga, Burkina Faso and Haiti amongst others!

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