Poland's post-election political scene

So who is the First Secretary of the Party these days?


Without the responsibilities but also without the immunity that comes with a government post. Of course that is also the PRL model too.


Go ahead, hopefully they can also look at the off-topic ad hom trolling that you are posting in an attempt to drive this thread off topic and away from discussing PIS's mis-deeds

And LL graciously turned common criminals into dissdents. Excessively embellished facts and hyperboles designed to mislead ARE ALSO LIES!
BTW is the figure for the number of times this insinuation was repeated correct?
Incidentally, there is no such station as Radio Maybach -- yet another concoction of the ever vitriolic LL!?

Don't forget about the ones who were awarded high office under The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski.


Interesting that you consider the Kaczynski twins to be part of the RT clique encompassing the "Nocna zmiana" mob, but you clearly must, given that they ruled Poland as PM and President at the same time.

There is no First Secretary these days in Poland. JK is Chairman of the party. So I keep up my demand to the mods for issuing a warning to you for abusing official titles.


If these are mis-deeds or not is subject to opinion. These are mis-deeds in your eyes, but they are "deeds" in Polly's eyes. You have surely heard of 'good change', haven't you?

LL? Surely you don't want to call another poster by a name other than their username? That's supposed to result in a warning. As for who turned dissidents into criminals, that was the communist state which some volunteered to serve and others wrote about so glowingly. Of course, if you'd like to claim that TDLFSK (The Dear Leader First Secretary Kaczynski) actually swore an oath to only prosecute non-politcal criminals, please give us a source or two to support that claim. Sources are what people such as Delph and I use to support the facts we post about things such as PIS councilors beating their wives and lobbyists being involved in shady deals in which PIS buys things that Poland doesn't need and doesn't buy things Poland does need.


There's no newspaper called the Kosher Courier and certainly not one called the Jew York Times, but you still use both those names. Personally I'd like to see a ban on all made up names for all people, posters, parties and media, but that ban would need to be enforced.

Please be careful that nobody reports you for an L: Kaczynski is the Prezes Partii in PIS. Given the way that he uses the position (to say nothing of the way in which he is 're-elected' for it), I'd say that Prezes Partii is far better translated as First Secretary of the Party than as Chairman.


How is wasting billions in a shady deal for VIP jets that Poland doesn't need which is brokered by a lobbyist who promptly flees the country a 'good change'?

That would be Adam Michnik who was jailed, while the 'interesting' Kaczynski brothers mysteriously remained free...


He's carrying out the role of First Secretary of the Party. There's a long tradition among politicians of his sort in this part of the world of being the leader without actually being president. Stalin, Krushchev and Brezhnev all did it that way.

Yet another distinguished person has refused an award under the honours system from the current regime.

This time saying "he 'has followed with sadness the declining international prestige of Poland as a result of the actions of the current government', citing its 'violation of the independence of the courts' and media. He says that its actions have 'awakened fears in citizens like in the days of the PRL'. "

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kolejna-osoba-odmowila-przyjecia-orderu-od-andrzeja-dudy-6115788851067009a

Kaczyńskis and Olszewskis were not part of the Nocna Zmiana mob. Those were: Tusk, Kuroń, Pawlak, Kwaśniewski, Moczulski, Michnik. Bielecki and a few more that I can't recall off-hand. You and your chief disciple regard the Kaczyński years as an insignifcnat interlude, the Olszewski months even more so. Again nitpicking so as to pretend you missed the point. Pretty lame. Your bag of cheap tricks needs to be renovated. Better luck next time!

Care to compare that with the number of PRL-era SB types and PZPR members awarded high offices under SLD, UD, UW, PSL and PO? Off-hand the count would be at least Nocna zmiana 20 - PiS 1.

Lower-case jon's idea of a "distinguished person" is a French stoogette of the evil billionaire Soros out to destroy the world.
lol, rotfl -- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........

Po thinks that Pan Stebelski-OrlowskI is


Who knew?

Interesting though that the puppet Duda might give an award to a "stoogette", which she wisely refused due to it being currently tainted.

@Harry
re-elected the way Tusk was to the European Council. The sole dissenting vote saved the honour of EU-style democracy. At PiS congresses there are laways no votes and abstentions -- that's the democratic way, in case you didn't know. The unanimous vote the EU wanted to pull off was taken direcftly from Stalin and Hitler.

reinforced the current junta's reputation as a laughing-stock.

The reuslt of the actions of the frustrated total opposition who have spared to effort and lost no opportunity to deride, ridicule, malign, slander and badmouth their own country to foreign media, governments, NGOs as well as the EU in the twisted belief that they were predestined to rule indefinitely. Somehow it has never occurred to them that post-commie Poland's first landslide victory was telling them how fed up most Poles were with PO misrule.

Simply increased the existing ridicule in which the PiS junta is held and further highlighted their petulance and instability.

That approach is not surprising since all that's left for the frustrated opposition is to seeth and simmer in impotent rage, becuase their landslide defeat has rendered them politically harmless. The PO want a parliamentary commission to probe the chopper business, but they lack the votes to pull it off. Schetyna is calling for yet another rant & chant marathon -- some ex-SB colonels, ZOMO wives and a few other misguided souls will surely turn out to pound the tarmac. What a band of pathetic losers!!!!!

Who by next election will almost certainly be in a position to form a coalition to replace the PiS junta. And then the reckoning will start.

Know nothing about the bloke. He may be a worshipper of the Soros-Michnik denomination. The main thing is that at least seven Mexicans gladly accepted the decorations bestowed by President Duda. There's a rotten apple in every barrel!

However, Orłowski but could also be an entirely innocent victim of Poland-bashing by the liberal-left media with no access to alternative news sources. If so, it would only show that giving Poland a bad name has been the only achievement of the PO losers' camp.

Oh dear, Po, you really ought to show a bit of personal restraint.


You mean the professional media that most people read, rather than the untrusted PiS junta's propaganda...


Given that he's a retired Honorary Consul, we can reliably say that your statement is the usual rubbish.

Then he was probably an appointee of the previous scamster PO regime. Who knows is such a one would bother to consult alternative soruces and would be content just to absorb the outrageously pathetic bias spewed by Szehcter's rag.

There you go again.


That would be Poland's most respected newspaper. Very picky about who they employ and who they wouldn't touch with a barge pole, eh, Po.

Rather than listen to Polly's rants, it would be better to look at the latest international disgrace on the part of PiS.

There was a vote in the Council of Europe on Turkey, which was to express concern about democracy in Turkey. Instead of voting with Christian Europe on the matter as PO and Nowoczesna did, PiS chose to side with Muslim Turkey.

wyborcza.pl/7,75399,21693686,pis-rozumie-turcje-i-glosuje-przeciw-rezolucji-zgromadzenia.html

Shameful. PiS are now backing anti-democratic Muslim regimes over Christian and democratic governments.

Again more proof that using a dodgy source such as GW distorts reality. Why not condemn France for introducing martial law?! Martial law by definition restricts human rights and enhances police powers including wider possibilties of searching premises and detaining even slightly suspected individuals. The fact is that exceptional threats reuqire exceptional means.

Turkey is in a far worse predicament than France. It is threatened by Islamist terrorists, under attack by Kurds and has a war raging along its border. The PiS MEPs only stated that the situation in Turlkey should not be judged from a cushy Strasbourg vantage point. But true to form, GW phrased things to make it seem that PiS favour emergency measures and curtailment of human rights per se.

Entirely par for the course that the PiS junta would admire Erdogan's extreme authoritarianism and hatred of constitutional democracy.

Entirely par for the course that those who take their cues from G(ówniane) W(ieści)
don't (to use an old Americanism) know sh*t from Shinola!

That, Po, doesn't actually make any sense at all. As usual, you're doing yourself no favours here.

Very significant that the PiS junta now support Erdogan over democracy.

jon357 - over democracy
There was "people's democracy" and Ancient Greek "democracy" which condoned slavery and sex with teenage boys... Presumably in this case you're referring to EP-ocratic "democracy" where overpaid and overfed eurocrats impose their skewed PC version of theoretical democracy on other countries entirely ignoring a nation's sovereiegn referednum as well as security threats which necessitated the emergency measures in the first place. Typical of fuzzy-brained utopianist lefty liberals with their head in the clouds and hand in the chamber pot.

Apparently you are not will versed in the Yankee vernacular! And why should you, coming from a nation that invented the limbo (dance)? As you know, it was invented by a Scotsman trying to get into a pay toilet!

Speaking of newspapers I see that Poland has fallen seven places in the global freedom of the press index and now occupies position number 54 lagging behind Tonga, Burkina Faso and Haiti amongst others!