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Poland's post-election political scene


Harry
26 Apr 2017 #2,701
Poland has fallen seven places in the global freedom of the press index and now occupies position number 54 lagging behind

But Poland is ahead on that list of San Escobar, which has to rank as one of the major achievements of the 16% regime.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
26 Apr 2017 #2,702
Is it? I thought Poland was behind San Escobar as SanEscobar is very high on that list

@Atch [who the hell has taken away the quote function? Don't tell me it was Minnie!]
Where did you get that press freedom index from? What year does it refer to? What year does the previous index refer to?
Atch 17 | 3,427
26 Apr 2017 #2,703
Yes Ziemowit I'm pretty sure it's Meddling Minnie who's responsible for it.

Here's the index:

rsf.org/en/ranking

I didn't go rummaging for it in order to discredit Poland! I just saw a newsfeed somewhere that said Ireland had dropped out of the top ten and then thought to myself 'Oh I wonder how Poland is ranked?'
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,704
atch - freedom of press index
As they say: "Considérez la source!" The index you mention was the creation of Reporters without Borders, a Soroesque NGO based in Frogland. That's the place they spread Enlightenment by guillotining those who disagreed and persecuted religion and believers under the heading of laïcité. They supposedly condemn censorship. Have you ever wondered why they are silent about PC-style muzzling of of free speech? Very Animal Farmish -- everyone is equal but some are more equal than others!
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,705
Poland has fallen seven places in the global freedom of the press index and now occupies position number 54 lagging behind Tonga, Burkina Faso and Haiti amongst others!

It's an impeccably respectable source. Only a small part of their income comes from donations by foundations or private individuals. The PiS junta do not want to see a free press, not least because they fear criticism and the truth.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
26 Apr 2017 #2,706
Speaking of newspapers I see that Poland has fallen seven places in the global freedom of the press index and now occupies position number 54 lagging behind Tonga, Burkina Faso and Haiti amongst others!

how do you think press is being limited in Poland Atch?
Atch 17 | 3,427
26 Apr 2017 #2,707
The government has direct control over national broadcasters having the power to appoint and dismiss heads of radio and tv stations. State agencies have been ordered to cancel their subscriptions to publications which are crticial of the government. The government shouldn't have any hand, act or part in the press. It should be independent of government input. It's all a bit silly and pointless really as you can never silence voices of dissent as the world has seen time and time again. Also as Poland is not a one party state it's inevitable that at some point the present government will be ousted and all this nonsense will be undone. However I suppose the daft idea is that if they can stay in power for long enough, they can use these measures to brainwash the greater public into thinking that everything in the Polish garden is rosy so they'll get re-elected and the nonsense will carry on.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,708
atch - in order to discredit Poland!
I'm sure you didn't, but there are 3 or 4 on PF that do nothing but. The biggest offender (no-one needs mention his name) would never report that Poland is only one of 4 countries in NATO that spend the reuqired 2% GNP on defence, nor that Poland had Europe's first modern written constituiion, nor the Poland ranks amognteh top IQ countries nor that Sienkiewicz's "Quo Vadis" at one time outsold every other book on hte planet other than the Bible, nor that Polish airmen in hte Battle of Birtain had a better per capita kill ratio against the Gerries than the cowardly Brits who after all were defending their own country. No such lukc! Instead, he will sniff, scrounge and scrape the bottom of stinkiest barrel to compile as much dirt on Poland, Poles, their language and thigns Polish in general as he can. If it's Polish it has to be crappy, garbage and not worthy of His Lordship's attention.
dany_moussalli 13 | 260
26 Apr 2017 #2,709
a Soroesque NGO based in Frogland.

They supposedly condemn censorship. Have you ever wondered why they are silent about PC-style muzzling of of free speech?

Hold your horses, according to the same ranking France is only ranked 2 positions higher than Poland
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,710
jon357 - private individual
Is Soros regarded here as a private individual or does he bankroll such dodgy NGOs via his notorious Destroy World Societies, er, um, I mean Open Societies Foundation? (LOL!)
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,711
atch - all this nonsense will be
Will be replaced by a rerun of PO's well-known PiS-bashing propahganda. You must've followed TVP under the Tusk-Kopacz regimes where opposition views received restricted airtime. But the Delphs nad Baldies somehow did not protest. That's called fairness and impartiality PC-style!
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,712
private individual

As I wrote, most of their income comes from neither private individuals nor foundations. Can't you read?

Anyway, more good news today. Platforma Obywatelstwa are now higher than the PiS junta in the polls. Good change coming at the next election...
mafketis 24 | 9,384
26 Apr 2017 #2,713
Latest Millward Brown polls on party support

PO - 31
PiS - 29
Kukis - 10
SLD - 6
Nowoczesna - 5

All others less than 5

The probable reason for loss of support is JK's jihad against Donald Tusk, a personal grudge that he seems willing to burn electoral bridges to pursue.

Calling Tusk in to testify seems to have backfired (as did their attempt to oust him from Brussels).

Will DT be the next president?

source: wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-millward-brown-dla-faktow-tvn-po-wyprzedza-pis
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,714
Tusk winning a presidential election is more than likely. He's the most respected statesman here by a long way.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,715
jon357 - good news today
Isn't it strange that the shadowy new pollster Kantar has repeatedly overesitmated PO's backing compared with the figures provided by established polling organisations such as Ibris and CBOS. Might they not be on the PO payroll?
dolnoslask 6 | 3,541
26 Apr 2017 #2,716
Polonius3 "there are 3 or 4 on PF that do nothing but."

Yes there is a minrity of British posters here that wish to force their Political values on Poland, condoning riot and disrespect of the Polish national anthem.

This is a trait of all British liberals, a phenomenon that George Orwelll describes bellow.

England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during God save the King than of stealing from a poor box.

Luckily this phenomenon has not infected Polish politics to any great extent, but it would be wise to keep an eye on what some foreign educators are bringing to Polish Schools and Universities.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
26 Apr 2017 #2,717
The government has direct control over national broadcasters having the power to appoint and dismiss heads of radio and tv stations

the government had complete control of the public broadcasters when PO-PSl were in power as well - PO-PSL good, PiS no good?

State agencies have been ordered to cancel their subscriptions to publications which are crticial of the government.

where is it an obligation for the state to get subscrription of the press critical to a given government - were PO-PSL government any better in this field?

if the government should not have any hand, act or part in the press it should not subscribe any press - agreed?

where do you see silencing of the press in Poland? give examples please
Harry
26 Apr 2017 #2,718
the government had complete control of the public broadcasters when PO-PSl were in power as well - PO-PSL good, PiS no good?

Really? So would you be able to give examples of TVP telling opposition MPs that their invitations to take part in TV shows had been cancelled due to the ruling party objecting to their presence? Can you give examples of TVP under the previous government airbrushing out the bits of reality which the government did not like? Here's an example below:

TVPiS
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,719
"shadowy" Po?

Very much in the public domain, independent and transparent.

So that's a no, Po, not shadowy at all...

And Platforma are currently higher in the polls than the disreputable PiS junta. Good news.
mafketis 24 | 9,384
26 Apr 2017 #2,720
Can you give examples of TVP under the previous government airbrushing out the bits of reality which the government did not like?

Into Polonius mode: Soros! Nocna zmiana! Magdalenka! KOR!

In normal human mode: What kind of sick fvkkers are against charities that collect money to treat sick children?
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,721
"What kind of sick fvkkers are against charities that collect money to treat sick children?"

The PiS junta of course, declaring war on all that is decent in Poland.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
26 Apr 2017 #2,722
What kind of sick fvkkers are against charities that collect money to treat sick children?

what the heck is wrong with you? What are even talking about? Let me guess about that dude who make sh''lots of monies on his 'charitable' activates and when asked by a journalist to show his books he told him to fvkk off and ordered his security guards to forcibly kick him out. Is that your hero and paragon of a virtue? Are you an American criminal on the run?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
26 Apr 2017 #2,723
POLAND REJECTS "GOOD CHANGE" IN NEW POLL

The PiS government are quaking in their boots this evening after a stunning new poll revealed that PiS are now in second place. The poll carried out by Kantar revealed that the public are increasingly sick of the corrupt and despicable PiS regime, which has been characterised in recent days by the revelation that a Boeing lobbyist and chief of the Smolensk sub-commission was responsible for cancelling a vital helicopter order for military and civilian use, replacing it with VIP planes for government transport.

The results are as follows:

PO: 31%
PiS: 29%
Kukiz'15: 10%
SLD: 6%
N. 5%

Voters are clearly sick of the scams, lies and TKM'ing of the current government. One can only assume that the Dear Leader and First Secretary of the PiS Political Committee will finally act to remove ministers from their roles. Recently, the Minister for Digitalisation has also criticised the government, showing that the government is rudderless and heading for defeat.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
26 Apr 2017 #2,724
Too bad Delphin countries are not run by polls and governments are not formed according to a weekly poll. Just to let you know. You seemingly missed that bit of info.
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,725
"Voters are clearly sick of the scams, lies and TKM'ing of the current government"

Same as last time.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
26 Apr 2017 #2,726
Quite. The "good change" is clearly headed for a very quick end.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 Apr 2017 #2,727
jon357 - all that is decent in Poland

Like Michnik-Szechter who blows his top whenever someone says "best regards to your brotrher", so too Owsiak's blood boils whenever anyone asks about his family. And it's no wonder. Daddy Zbigniew was 1st Scretary of a Basic PZPR Cell, mummy was a commie prosecutor in Gdańsk who didn't just volunteer but actually prosecuted (Harry's) dissidents, and bro Andrzrej was a member of a red thug squad euphemsitically known as the Rserve Citizens Miltia (ORMO). That probably explains why like Harry he seems to have Church-bashing genetically encoded. The good the monies he raises can do in the medical realm is unquesitonable, although his fmaily is not exactly living in poverty. His wife's company makes a killing producing those heart-shaped stickers among other sources of prosperity. Finally, he depraves young people with his annual Woodstock spectacles known for widepsread substance abuse, anti-clerical excesses, theft and vandalism. Other than that, he's a great guy.
jon357 66 | 17,068
26 Apr 2017 #2,728
"very quick end"

The end of the beginning was a long while ago. We've now already passed the beginning of the end and for the doomed PiS junta the endgame is now starting.

All their most fervent (and febrile) supporters can manage is incoherent rants about the past like the post immediately above this one. That's all they've got - the past to dwell on, while everyone else gets on with life.
mafketis 24 | 9,384
26 Apr 2017 #2,729
is clearly headed for a very quick end.

I don't like them but I don't think they're going to go anywhere very soon. I will look for efforts to fire up the base somehow (since they've lost most of the rest of the country, at least temporarily).

A side issue that is probably hurting them is the school reform - not wanted by much of anyone, and by almost no one actually involved in education that they are doggedly pursuing in their goal of recreating the PRL in a Catholic-nationalist mode (a very weird goal but it seems to be the end game).
Ironside 50 | 10,939
26 Apr 2017 #2,730
Kukiz is a damn idiot and a post-commie stodge. People shouldn't be voting him as he is selling a lie.

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