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jon357 63 | 11,634    
14 Apr 2017  #2,521

They've even got their own F├╝hrer -- Donald von Tusk.

There you go again PO, maligning Poland's greatest (centre-right) statesman because he isn't fascist enough for you.


OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
14 Apr 2017  #2,522

fascism

Your overuse of the term "fascism" to describe conesrvative politics betrays the Stalinist roots of your anarcho-leftist mindset. It was "Uncle Joe" Stalin who started calling Germans fascists for the simple reason that he didn't want to confuse his subjects with national socialism. BTW, who invented the concept of Political Correctness? None other than Mao Tse-tung. Your whole political construct has totalitarian roots and nothing in common with democracy except for your rhetoric.
jon357 63 | 11,634    
14 Apr 2017  #2,523

Stalinist roots of your anarcho-leftist mindset

Don't be silly, Po.

It was "Uncle Joe" Stalin who started calling Germans fascists

No it wasn't. Not by a long chalk.

totalitarian

Something you strongly support, since you've made it clear that only people who share your views should hold political office or be army generals.

Face it Po, you admire fascism.
Ironside 43 | 7,942    
14 Apr 2017  #2,524

That could have happened in 1947 and now it's happening in 2017.

Hmm .... I asked you to point out something new - unprecedented. That is hardly a new feature.
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
14 Apr 2017  #2,525

No it wasn't.

Who then? Why not call those you disagree with -- Francoists? No, it was deifntely Stalin. The way your ilk treated those who supported normal marriage in the US revealed your formation's totalitarian streak. Those who dared disagree that homo hookups can be called marriage where threatened, blakcmailed, blackballed, sacked, suspended, demoted or run out of business -- all because they dared express their own point of view. Stalin did not persecute those who parroted his line and that's exactly how the pro-homo faction behaved.
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
14 Apr 2017  #2,526

Poland's greatest (centre-right) statesman

Your greatest statesman Tusk bears the repsonsibiltiy for his government's Smolensk muck-up. His health min. Kopacz promised the Rooskies that coffins of victims would not be opened in Poland but buried as is. That gave a sense of impunity to the Muscovites who had apparently scooped up assorted debris and body parts and packed them into random coffins. Finding cigarette butts in one of the coffins was bad enough, but today the TV news announced that in one of the coffins were found two heads, three arms and two pelvic bones -- in another besides a male victim was a woman's leg. Desecration of the deceased is a serious offence in Poland. Those Poles responsible for indulging the Rooskies should stand trial for gross negligence, preferably in front of the State Tribunal. Tusk, Kopacz and Arabskis hould be in the dock's front row!
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
14 Apr 2017  #2,527

army generals

No Polish should have a record of collaboration with Nazis, Fascists, Soviets, Polish PZPR operatives or other unsavoury types. They must be Polish patriots through and through and devoted first and foremost to the defence of their beloved homeland. And not in it for the money.
jon357 63 | 11,634    
15 Apr 2017  #2,528

Polish PZPR operative

What about American 'PZPR' operatives like yourself?
cms 9 | 862    
15 Apr 2017  #2,529

@Ironside

No you did not. You asked for one example of PRL behavior. Which is easy to supply as there are hundreds. But this one has it all

- questionable use of the law
- ignoring commercial imperatives
- spending other people's money
- blatant party patronage

And I think it is unprecedented - I cannot think of any banks being nationalised between 1989 and now. In fact the peak year was 1950 - the first full year of the PRL.
Harry 74 | 13,199    
15 Apr 2017  #2,530

devoted first and foremost to the defence of their beloved homeland.

You mean they mustn't be the kind of coward who runs off to a foreign country rather than serve in the army of his motherland when called upon to do so?
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,531

operatives like yourself

Any proof or just more lower-case diarrhoea of the mouth? If so, I can see you are trying to emulate your bald guru. Oral diarrhoea is his speciality!
delphiandomine 78 | 15,465    
15 Apr 2017  #2,532

Which is easy to supply as there are hundreds.

Which certainly explains the latest poll result:

PiS: 28%
PO: 27%
Kukiz'15: 12%
N.: 5%

28% is a terrible result for PiS - they're now below the "iron vote" of the 30%, and the monthly average shows that PiS and PO/N. are separated by only 0.4%.
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,533

latest poll result

One wonders why you never supply poll figures when POO is trailing far behind? Aren't you amongst those who claim poll results are inconclusive, unreliable and not indicative of anything?

BTW even if by some chance POO is No. 1 in some survey, that has absolutely no bearing on anything. The pathetic losers camp cannot pass a single law nor block a single legislative act because of the red card handed them by the fed-up Polish nation in October 2015. But there are things they can do: rant, rave, badmouth, occupy public buildings, prevent public officials from despatching their duties, initiate doomed-from-the-start motions to recall the government or individual ministers and cry in their beer.
delphiandomine 78 | 15,465    
15 Apr 2017  #2,534

BTW even if by some chance POO is No. 1 in some survey, that has absolutely no bearing on anything.

Oh, but it does. Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that Morawiecki was claiming that PiS will rule for 16 years? Seems to me like they'll be lucky to survive for 4.
Ironside 43 | 7,942    
15 Apr 2017  #2,535

No you did not.

No I didn't. I implied it.
All those things you listed are nothing new if truth. That is a standard of politics in Poland for the last 30 years. I wonder all those commentators pretending they they were born yesterday. Come on! That is simply pathetic.

As for unprecedented - Tusk took money the people saving - clearly a theft. As for need to nationalisation of some banks. Some time ago one of the dudes responsible for selling them in the first place started talking about it - don't remember his name used to be a Prime Minster briefly.

That talking about PRL like action is clearly anti- PiS propaganda and nothing else. No one serious debate issues in this manner. Whoever claim it, simply make fool out of himself or try to dupe his readers as it is simply ridiculous.

None seemingly is able to say what is really a matter with PiS policy. They want to build a strong state with a grovemnat in charge - one can agree with this sentiment or not but that hardly a crime.
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,536

lucky to survive f

POO will be lucky ot survive till the end of the term. Most likely in-fighting will leave them broken up into mini-parties doomed to a Palikot-style fate. There is every reason to expect at least 12 years of good-change rule, hopefully more.
delphiandomine 78 | 15,465    
15 Apr 2017  #2,537

POO will be lucky ot survive till the end of the term.

Does anyone else get the impression that Polly is living in some sort of alternate universe?

They're 1% off the lead in the latest poll, and yet you're suggesting that they're in trouble?
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,538

don't remember his name

Belka?
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,539

the latest poll,

One can expect a 10 point spread between the two front-runners off and on from neck and neck to 30-20 or 40-30, but such fluctuations are the norm. When Tusk completes his seocnd term then all hell will break loose between him, Schetyna, Budka and Kopacz

the latest poll

delphiandomine 78 | 15,465    
15 Apr 2017  #2,540

When Tusk completes his seocnd term then all hell will break loose between him, Schetyna, Budka and Kopacz

Not really. That issue has been and gone, as Tusk will no longer have any ambitions of being PM. Kopacz had her chance, and she will be loyal to Schetyna now. Schetyna will naturally back Tusk for the Presidency as the most obvious and successful candidate, so PO are actually in quite good shape now. Is it enough to win the 2019 election? No, not yet. Much more hard work needs to be done between now and then.

Now, what about the latest developments within PiS? I've just read this article - natemat.pl/206137,zaczela-sie-gra-na-rozlam-kontra-najbrutalniejszy-atak-tak-w-wielka-sobote-rozpetala-sie-wielka-wojna-na-prawicy - what's your thoughts, Polly?

My own opinion is that Macierewicz should go. He's shown terrible judgement and lied through his teeth on several occasions, and PiS don't need him. Poland needs a Defence Minister who will concentrate on building up military cooperation with both Europe and America - Jarek has always said that a common European defence force is in Poland's interests (which it is), and getting more American troops on the ground won't hurt any as well. Macierewicz is simply not cut out for it - PiS can and should do better.

More to the point, PiS don't need weak links like him around.
dolnoslask 1 | 996    
15 Apr 2017  #2,541

Much more hard work needs to be done between now and then.

Yes more sit ins at parliment, rabble rousing and violent demonstrations against the democratically elected goverment, loads of really loud libtard shouting crying and moaning, oh and bit$hin and snitching at the EU parliment. oh and singing the ode de plop over the top of the Polish national anthem

Oh what fun between now and then.
delphiandomine 78 | 15,465    
15 Apr 2017  #2,542

oh and singing the ode de plop over the top of the Polish national anthem

Works for me. It's certainly far less embarrassing than watching the Minister of Defence put his 26 year old male (insert choice of words here) in various highly paid jobs.
dolnoslask 1 | 996    
15 Apr 2017  #2,543

26 year old male (insert choice of words here) in various highly paid jobs.

You migh be amazed at what even a 21 year old is capable of achieving of course I know nothing about the character you are refering to apart from what is reported in the press!!!, but hey look at that canadian chap running the country, I dont think he is too bad for a youngster do you?
nothanks - | 792    
15 Apr 2017  #2,544

but hey look at that canadian chap running the country, I dont think he is too bad for a youngster do you?

Trudeau?
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,545

Tusk for the Presidency

The last thing the Polish nation wants is a re-run of the Tusk scamster regime. By the next election Poles will know how a true people-friendly governemnt performs --for the good of the nation, not just a post-communist clique.
OP Polonius3 1,009 | 12,456    
15 Apr 2017  #2,546

what's your thoughts, Polly?

Is a healsthy sign when diverse points of view circulate allowing people to judge which make the most sense. That is demcoracy in action. Persponally, "Gazeta Polska" can be a bit too radical for my liking, but it's good it exists for those who equate with their editorial policy. At any rate, PiS will protect Poland from a re-run of the POO scmaster/pro-foreign interest regime.
jon357 63 | 11,634    
15 Apr 2017  #2,547

that canadian chap running the country

He's no Trudeau. It was corruption, plain and simple. People expect this of PiS.
nothanks - | 792    
15 Apr 2017  #2,548

Trudeau is loved by Non-Canadians. Hints at where his motives seem to lay
Marsupial - | 913    
16 Apr 2017  #2,549

P3 there is no way pis or trump will get in again. Pis protects Poland against progress, that is their sole achievement. Can't wait to see them get decimated at the next electiin.
gregy741 3 | 936    
16 Apr 2017  #2,550

we see,if Szydlo is unable to remove Macierewicz ,PIS will lose.guy is nasty and cynical. causing alot of problems
the thing is that hes untouchable due to his hard "smolensk sect" electorate..about 8 -10% of PIS voters.they fear,he would leave PIS and forge his own party.taking his electorate with him.
but for PIS is better to get rid of him. and waszczykowski. they will benefit in long run.both those guys are utter joke




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