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Poland's post-election political scene


Harry
19 Jan 2016 #631
PO violated the constitution and appointed

How could a party which had only a minority of the votes in the Sejm pass any motions in the Sejm? Answer: they couldn't and you are very simply lying as usual.

These are facts.

Remind me when anybody voted on the replacement of Miroslaw Granat. He was appointed by the PIS dominated Sejm in 2007 and no vote has been taken on his replacement, which shows that you are simply not telling the truth, yet again.
G (undercover)
19 Jan 2016 #632
they couldn't

They did, together with several peasants they corrupted. So called coalition.
jon357 66 | 17,078
19 Jan 2016 #633
Answer: they couldn't and you are very simply lying as usual.

This is all they can do. And nobody believes a word. Plus of course it compromises everything else they say.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
19 Jan 2016 #634
How could a party which had only a minority of the votes in the Sejm pass any motions in the Sejm?

PiS supporters really do seem to be fond of historical revisionism. It rather reminds one of Winston's job.
G (undercover)
22 Jan 2016 #635
Merged: Latest polls (15th-20th Jan 2016)

PiS 38%

PO 16%

Petru 15%

Kukiz 11%

PSL 3%

Korwin 3%

ZL 2%

Razem 2%

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,TNS-Polska-38-proc-chcacych-glosowac-popiera-PiS-16-proc-PO,wid,18120308,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=116588&_ticrsn=3
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
22 Jan 2016 #636
It seems few people listen to PO's propaganda. Everyone has simply had enough of it listening to them for the last 8 years. It's amazing how this over-inflated bubble has burst...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Jan 2016 #637
Cherry Greggy, you've given me a nice opportunity to post some other recent polls.

46% of people think there's a bad situation in Poland, while only 32% think that the situation is good - wyborcza.pl/1,75478,19517822,46-proc-zle-ocenia-sytuacje-w-kraju-sondaz-cbos.html

Meanwhile, if the election was held on Sunday, Poles voted - se.pl/wiadomosci/polityka/najnowszy-sondaz-dla-sepl-kaczynski-slabnie-petru-nokautuje-schetyne_764809.html

27% PiS
24% Nowoczesna
12% PO
8% Kukiz

Hard to believe the opinion poll above if two other recent polls clearly suggest that only 27-32% of voters support PiS.
Wulkan - | 3,250
22 Jan 2016 #638
46% of people think there's a bad situation in Poland, while only 32% think that the situation is good

Anything stated by "wyborcza" is highly not reliable, I don't understand why you even bother. It's like saying there will be endo of the world tomorrow because you saw it in a science fiction movie.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Jan 2016 #639
Let's see : a company that is publicly traded on the Warsaw Stock Exchange is "not reliable", but the privately owned and controlled by PiS media is?

You've lived under those stairs for far too long Wulkan. Time to wake up.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
22 Jan 2016 #640
The economy is going to do worse over the next couple of years. No fault of the current or past government if one is brutally honest. But moderate governments can add or shave about 1% on GDP. Now isnt the time to chase investors away as there are enough capital outflows to deal with.
Wulkan - | 3,250
22 Jan 2016 #641
Let's see : a company that is publicly traded on the Warsaw Stock Exchange is "not reliable", but the privately owned and controlled by PiS media is?

Not a stock trader are you? It's like saying Coca-Cola is a healthy drink because they are on the NASDAQ stock exchange. No Gazeta wyborcza is not reliable source, Michnik keep talking his strong political views like a political activist rather than journalist it's clear as light.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jan 2016 #642
voters support Pi

The main thing is that they support PiS, not one of the wannabe groupings of trough defenders. And even more important than some poll, is that in the present Sejm the whole opposition cannot stop PiS changing the country for the better. They can rant, rave, fume and spew in sterile frustration, and that they certainly do, but it doesn't amount to a tiddler's wink.
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 Jan 2016 #643
Let's see : a company that is publicly traded on the Warsaw Stock Exchange is "not reliable", but the privately owned and controlled by PiS media is?

Quite. If something isn't directly controlled by the Kaczynski gang, their fanboys try to discredit it.

Much more in common with Russia than a modern Europe state.
Wulkan - | 3,250
22 Jan 2016 #644
Quite. If something isn't directly controlled by the Kaczynski gang, their fanboys try to discredit it.

Gazeta wybiórcza doesn't need discrediting, every sane person in Poland knows that it's just communist son's twisted world no matter how much you don't like that fact.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jan 2016 #645
a science fiction movi

Brilliant comparison! I can just picture scientifically fictitious Michnik with Martian-style tentacles protruding from his head proclaiming to all and sundry: "Jaruzelski was a man of honour, my dad was a man of honour, Putin is a man of honour, all reds are men of honour!"
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
23 Jan 2016 #646
Gazeta wybiórcza doesn't need discrediting, every sane person in Poland knows that it's just communist son's twisted world no matter how much you don't like that fact.

That's a nice description of Gazeta Polska, Wulkan.

Just when we thought PiS couldn't get any more comical, along comes this cracking piece of news.

As reported by the portal "Puls Biznesu", the government of Law and Justice is now in debt at the beginning of the year to - mostly foreign- investors. The buyer of Polish sovereign bonds are primarily German banks and investment funds.

At the beginning of January this year, the government of Law and Justice foreign investors sold government bonds in the amount of 4.5 billion zlotys. Interest in Polish debt was so high that within the next week, the current ruling camp decided to sell additional bonds for 7.8 billion zlotys. In all, only in the first two weeks of the new year, increased debt by more than 12 billion zlotys.

pikio.pl/rzad-pis-zadluzyl-sie-w-niemieckich-bankach/

Hmm. Whatever happened to their pro-Polish policy?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #647
Kaczynski

PROGNOSIS: Despite the pointless, sterile ranting of the niche protest movement, eventually the government's detractors will tire of their futile marches and refocus on more productive endeavours. That development will be enahcned by the government's continuous introduction of good changes which will see PiS' support grow as the as tangible improvemetns are increasignly felt throughout society. The composition of the ruling camp will remain roughly the same as now into PiS' second term in office (2019), but on the eve of the third (2023) Kaczyński will become honorary president of the party and a new person will take over the helm. It is still not clear whether it will be one of PiS' now younger luminaries or someone who has yet to make their political début.

Internationally, Germany will become an effective police state thanks to Merkel's folly. Not a nationalistic one like Hitler's but a protective one introduced to safeguard citizens against increasingly frequent random suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks. By 2019, the Muslim migrant community will have already grown to nearly five million strong thanks to their extremely high birth rate. Muslim problems will be occurring in other European countires but nowhere will they be as severe as in the Bundesrepublik. Heavily armed secuity forces in APCs, on foot and horseback patrolling the streets of German cities will become a common sight. Poland may decide to build a protective barrier along the German border similar to that lining the US-Mexican frontier. Not that many migrants will want to come to Poland, but constant pre-emptive raids by special Germany security forces will have many suspects on the run with nowhere to flee to except Poland. Fugitive terrorist suspects is the last thing Poland needs! Austria, Denmark and France have already built such barriers along their borders with German to prevent unwanted migrant spill-over.
jon357 66 | 17,078
24 Jan 2016 #648
Hmm. Whatever happened to their pro-Polish policy

That was just words - they're the most anti-Polish political tendency since the 1930s.

And as everyone predicted, they're failing in everything they do, relying on increasingly worthless bonds to raise money they can't pay back.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
24 Jan 2016 #649
hat development will be enahcned by the government's continuous introduction of good changes which will see PiS' support grow as the as tangible improvemetns are increasignly felt throughout society.

When are these good changes going to start coming? The number one good change that most Poles want is job creation and everything they've done so far means more unemployment....

I may say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one. Perhaps some day you'll all join us in the real light of the sun.....
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
24 Jan 2016 #650
When are these good changes going to start coming?

Tomorrow.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jan 2016 #651
The number one good change that most Poles want is job creation and everything they've done so far means more unemployment....

It's entirely in line with their thinking - keep them underemployed, keep them down. Encouraging private business means encouraging rebellion, whereas feeding them with welfare keeps them entirely dependent on PiS.

By the way, the tangible effects of PiS putting 6 year olds back in nursery are being felt - nurseries can't cope with the numbers and emergency kindergartens are being set up anywhere with space, including gimnazjums! If that's a "good change", then parents are even more stupid than I thought.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #652
good changes going to start

They already have... police, civil service, public media, TK... and all in a very short space of time.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
24 Jan 2016 #653
and just how many jobs in the private sector are these going to create?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #654
jobs in the private sector

Aren't governments in charge of public-sector jobs? The rest are in private hands.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
24 Jan 2016 #655
So you've never been to Poland, you might not realize this, but... the number one issue of voters is job creation (esp in the private sector) that's why they voted against PO because it wasn't doing enough to facilitate the private sector in creating jobs.

To the extent that PiS doesn't deliver on increased employment it's support will whither (except for its hardcore electorate of those who have not really adapted to post PRL life).
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Jan 2016 #656
The rest are in private hands.

However, taxation and uncertainty does a lot to reduce private sector employment.

For instance, PiS have made it clear that they're willing to slam taxes on businesses to cover holes in the budget. We've started with banks, insurance companies and retailers - but who says that they won't place a tax on manufactured goods next if they can't balance the budget? That frightens investors, so they don't create jobs because they don't know about the future.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #657
ou've never been to Poland

Maybe not, but I read all about it in GW, according to your mates the most reliable news soruce. Besides, in our cyber-era one can be an expert on Mongolia or Bolivia via Google!
jon357 66 | 17,078
24 Jan 2016 #658
That frightens investors, so they don't create jobs because they don't know about the future.

Markets need stability - and since they election we've had nothing but extreme instability. That currently looks likely to get worse rather than better.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #659
since they election

Since the election Poland has not had a single day devoid of vicious, hysterical uproars which started even before the election when Kosher Boy was warning of imminent fascism. That kind of endlessly whipped up hysteria damages a country's reputation, destabilises the market and scares off investors.
jon357 66 | 17,078
24 Jan 2016 #660
Since the election Poland has not had a single day devoid of vicious, hysterical uproars

The stock in trade of PiS.

Kosher Boy

Po, a comment like that can only come from someone who is truly a vile old fascist and a racist of the worst sort. And a very bad advert for Poland, even though you are not from here.

Really, that comment the sort of thing we have come to expect from hysterical PiS supporters...

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