The Political Circus of Poland

Aliens? America isn't part of the Union. Poland is, and other citizens of Union states are not quite aliens...

Polonius,what do you mean by aliens?

Foreigners

But if they are citizens then they're not foreigners and therefore have the right to their say.This is why I'm asking what he means by aliens.

What about people who pay taxes in the United States, but aren't citizens?

Delph,This is why I'm asking what he means by aliens.

I wonder if the same applies in reverse - does he believe that aliens in Poland have no right to interfere in Polish processes, too?

Delphiandomine,good question.

Looks more like a rhetorical one to me.

What do youi mean by interfere? How are American citizens of Catholic persuasion 'interfering' in democratic processes when they are using their democratic right to lobby, redress greivances, protest and put pressure to bear on the authorities to back their demands through legal means unlike those groups that resort to violence.. An alien is a non-US citizen in this particular ontext. Anyone from a place like the UK would do well to exercise a bit of humility and first clean up their own coutnry's act before smartt-arsing about how other countries should run their affairs.

I'm just quoting this for...well, to make sure that he doesn't edit his post.


Because fringe Catholic groups have never used violence to achieve their aims, right? The RCC has also never collaborated with fascist regimes that used terror as a core part of their philosophy, right? Hmm.


Interesting. I take it that you feel that aliens in Poland should similarly refrain from interfering with Polish issues?

Given that the topic of this thread is the Polish political circus, could you comment on whether aliens in Poland should never become involved in Polish politics?

Again define terms -- what is meant by involved? I would think that means joining a Polish political poarty, stadnign for publici office and the like, and my answer would be No. That right is reserved only for citizens.

Aliens in Poland or anywhere else are guests and should nto try to take over. Those in Poland in refugee centres or working legally or illegally have no right to engage in Polish politics unless they acquire Polish citizenship. Same in the US. Unfortuantely, many illegal aliens act is if they should have unlimtied rights and the Gringos should leave them alone.

Polonius,that was a good answer,I agree that no one should be meddling in the political affairs of a country that they are not a citizen of,but such is human nature.

No those rights are not reserved only for Polish citizens.


Wrong again.

Your knowledge of Polish politics appears to be somewhat lacking.

Harry,who else is that right reserved for?My knowledge of Polish politics is clearly lacking.

What's an 'alien in Poland'?

Remember, joining the Union changed everything.

Most political parties will take anybody at all.
All EU citizens can stand for election in all local and European elections.
All EU citizens can vote in all local and European elections.


Don't worry about it, you never claim otherwise.

Curiously, EU citizens are prohibited from voting in the provincial elections.


It's fine - you don't portray yourself as some sort of expert on Polish affairs while refusing to actually provide any substance to your comments.


Good good. I'll remember that next time you post about Polish politics. We have a right to take part in the Polish political life - you don't.

It's a passing thing. The EU will soon collpase anyway (good riddance!), so it's not worth making a fuss about. It was anotehr utopianist experiment which did not work. Thank goodness Poland did not let itself get roped into adopting the euro. Long live the złoty!

I wouldn't bet on that.


Actually it did. Poland has signed up for it as a condition of membership. As long as it continues in its present form, Poland will adopt it.

Long live the Złoty, which has been around for what, 17 years? Such a historical currency!

Anyway Polonius, nice of you to admit to us that you think that aliens should keep out of Polish affairs. We'll be sure to remind you of it in future threads when you start posting rubbish about Tusk et al.

That last number will probably grow after Madonna urged voters to vote the decent Muslim.

Commenting is not interference. You are even free to say what an a*sehole Obama is. As long as you don't try to vote in the USA.

Why would they vote in the USA if they don't have the right to?

Your logic is getting stranger and stranger Polonius.

The government which is going to try to adopt euro currency in the next 10 years or so is doomed to lose the next elections and they fekking know it very well. :):

68% Poles object to, while 25% support euro in Poland.

The percentage of opponents of Polish accession to the euro area increased from January to July 8 points . percent . to 68 per cent . - Results from the July survey by CBOS . Support for the euro is expressed 25 percent . Poles, and so on 7 points . percent . less than in January .

The study shows that the persistence of uncertainty about the future of the eurozone contributed to the growth of skepticism Poles towards the legitimacy of the euro in Poland.

"Over the last six months the percentage of opponents of the single currency increased by 8 points ( to 68 per cent . ) And is the highest to date . Introduction of the euro in Poland currently supports only a quarter of respondents ( 25 per cent . , About 7 percentage points less than at the beginning year ) " - written in the commentary to the study.

delphiandomine: the Złoty has been around for what, 17 years?

Your grasp of Polish hsitory is getitng better by the day. The złoty has been around for 350 years.

Oh, Polonius, you're such fun.

The current currency of Poland has two possible birthdates - either 1995 (with the unofficial name new Polish Zloty and corresponding change in the currency code) - or 1950 when the law was changed and the 3rd Zloty introduced. In a legal sense, the 1950 date wins - in a practical sense, the 1995 date wins. Certainly - the changing of the currency code from PLZ to PLN suggests that it's a new currency, but the 1950 (as amended) law is still in place.

Either way, it hasn't been around for 350 years. The name might be the same, but that's meaningless - it's not the same currency.

Of course, it's curious that you would choose to recognise the Nazi-era Zloty as well as the Lublin Government Zloty.

Gowin would say he's got letter-of-the-law nitpickers like you 'w nosie' (if not 'south of the border' -- you probabyl won't catch that!)).. Every currency has changed in value, appearnce, and certainly buying power due to poltical events, wars, etc. but in historical terms a penny, guilder, franc, schilling, lira, złoty or whatever has been around ever since the term was first coined (no oun intended).

There's a lot to be said for having "letter-of-the-law nitpickers" in a constitutional democracy.