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The Political Circus of Poland


polonius 54 | 420
27 Sep 2012 #181
Poles call them 'szkiełko i oko'* types -- all calculators, columns of figures and e-gadgets but no heart or soul.

There was once a bloke called Mickiewicz, but you wouldn't know about that.
jon357 67 | 16,655
27 Sep 2012 #182
Poles call them 'szkiełko i oko'* types

Some might, others might not.

There was once a bloke called Mickiewicz, but you wouldn't know about that.

Remember him do you?

And since you think that I don't know who he was or have read any of his (a classic liberal if ever there was one) writing perhaps you can enlighten me on his role in determining whether or not applying the rule of law has any relevance in a modern constitutional,liberal democracy.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
28 Sep 2012 #183
Gowin would say he's got letter-of-the-law nitpickers like you 'w nosie' (if not 'south of the border' -- you probabyl won't catch that!))..

Gowin also promotes the "interests of the people" above the rule of law. If you haven't noticed, that's exactly what Communists said. Why do you keep promoting Communist doctrines on PF, Polonius?

in historical terms a penny, guilder, franc, schilling, lira, złoty or whatever has been around ever since the term was first coined (no oun intended).

No, it really hasn't. The name might be the same, but as I explained to you, the Zloty has either been around since 1950 or 1995. Pre-1950 was a totally different currency - the name is the only similarity.
polonius 54 | 420
28 Sep 2012 #184
delphiandomine
I heard you and rejected your sophistic (as always) justification. It'd be like saying the British monarchy began with Elizabeth II. Some hair-splitting nitpicker could surely find some minor points and peripheral reasons to allege that the preceding monarchies were different and therefore it really all began in 1950s.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
28 Sep 2012 #185
No, it wouldn't be like saying that at all.

It's hardly a "minor point" - either you're clinging to a modern invention, or you're clinging to a Communist invention. Which is it?

(by the way - again - what was that about not interfering in Polish politics?)
polonius 54 | 420
28 Sep 2012 #186
I'm clinging to the złoty heritage going back to the 1660s. The Soviet-installed communist episode was but a passing nightmare.

Following, observing, expessing opinions or covering events in a given country is not interfering. If you lay down Rejtan style in the road to block Saturday's Freedom Marrch that would be interfering. But just praising that crook Tusk is simply stupid, but not interfering.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
28 Sep 2012 #187
that crook Tusk

Care to provide evidence for that claim?
polonius 54 | 420
28 Sep 2012 #188
A chat site means knocking about, ideas, opinions and impressions, not evidence. bibliiographic note and suchlike.. Sign up for a scholarly seminar, symposium or officiual discussion panel if you need solid evidence for every time someone breaks wind. Most people just their noses!
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
29 Sep 2012 #189
The rally of father Rydzyk`s supporters, PiS party and Solidarity trade union in Warsaw today was quite impressive, indeed.

The march was called: Wake up, Poland!

Enough to Tuskoland!

Father Rydzyk, director of Radio Maria radio statio, unsuccessfully trying to get a license for his TV station in multiplex system.

Catholic, not lay Poland!

It was assassination

My reflection:

The demonstrators called the present Polish government regime. And compared the present situation to the times of communist Poland.

It is obvious they don`t understand how democracy works. Who prevents them from winning parliamentary elections, forming a government and passing the laws they desire? If PiS won the last elections, I wouldn`t protest in streets but would respect their right to govern and wait till next ones. .

PS. What is the funniest circus in that?

Z. Ziobro, leader of rival right wing party, was prevented by PiS organisers to give a speech at the prime time, after JK. He had to speak before the march. Support? :)
rybnik 18 | 1,461
1 Oct 2012 #190
Question: I was watching an interview on Polish TV last night and one of the pundits made reference to Kaczynski's "political miscalculation" back in 2007. What was that error?
polonius 54 | 420
1 Oct 2012 #191
He thought he would improve his grip on power by winning more votes than in the 2005 election.
strzyga 2 | 993
1 Oct 2012 #192
What was that error

Having a minority government (in coalition with Giertych's party and Lepper's Samoobrona) he pushed towards earlier elections, thinking that PiS would be able to get the parliamentary majority, and lost.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
1 Oct 2012 #193
He didn't have much choice really - Lepper was corrupt to the bone, but he also knew that he could bring down Jaroslaw Kaczynski if he switched his allegiances to the opposition. If Kaczynski had upset Lepper one more time, then Lepper may very well have proposed a constructive vote of no confidence against him. They were certainly no friends!

The failure of the minority (non-Lepper/Giertych) government was everything to do with PiS not being able to build parliamentary consensus. Minority governments can work, after all.
Harry
1 Oct 2012 #194
. Who prevents them from winning parliamentary elections

They do that themselves.

I'd like to see them marching every month.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
1 Oct 2012 #195
Having a minority government (in coalition with Giertych's party and Lepper's Samoobrona) he pushed towards earlier elections, thinking that PiS would be able to get the parliamentary majority, and lost.

Thank you Strzyga
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jan 2013 #196
5 years ago, with PiS in power, the PO opposition vehemently critisized the idea of installing speed cameras/photoradars all over Poland. PO called PiS` idea a prelude to the police state.

Today the roles have reversed: PiS vehemently critisizes the ruling PO`s plan to put 500 radars in the country.

Isn`t it funny?
Ironside 50 | 11,105
16 Jan 2013 #197
It is obvious they don`t understand how democracy works.

Neither you do.

Today the roles have reversed: PiS vehemently critisizes the ruling PO`s plan to put 500 radars in the country.

is is democracy - arguments for dimwits.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jan 2013 #198
Neither you do.

Yaaawn.....
Enlighten me, then. :):):):)

My full quote, just in case:

It is obvious they don`t understand how democracy works. Who prevents them from winning parliamentary elections, forming a government and passing the laws they desire? If PiS won the last elections, I wouldn`t protest in streets but would respect their right to govern and wait till next ones. .

Ironside 50 | 11,105
16 Jan 2013 #199
wouldn`t protest in streets but would respect their right to govern and wait till next ones. .

Enlighten me, then

right to protest and demonstrate for example.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jan 2013 #200
OK, that is democracy.

Still, demonstrating for political reasons and calling for the overthrow of the ruling government, 2 years after the lost democratic elections, is sheer stupidity and doing so, PiS isn`t going to gain new supporters they crave for so much.

They decided to go radical, let it be. But they shouldn`t be surprised why only radicals have voted them at the next elections, approximately 25%.
Ironside 50 | 11,105
16 Jan 2013 #201
Still, demonstrating for political reasons and calling for the overthrow of the ruling government,

So? Whats wrong with it?
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jan 2013 #202
I already said why.
Please, use your intelligence. I don`t have time to explain everything to you like to a 10 yo boy. And what is worse, repeat it 10 times.
Ironside 50 | 11,105
16 Jan 2013 #203
I already said why.

No you didn't! You said you wouldn't be doing what their are doing - fine! Why would all people emulate you? Why would you want them to emulate you? They have their opinions and views which differs from yours.

So what? Isn't that what democracy is all about?
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jan 2013 #204
So what? Isn't that what democracy is all about?

Yes, I said it is.

They have their opinions and views which differs from yours.

Yes, but I did say they act like fools.
If they were wiser, they would play it in a more intelligent way.
But they aren`t, so they will lose again.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
16 Jul 2020 #205
Are we going to see a rise of new political circus in Poland?

Duda`s wife refused to back up her husband (rumours suggest she is going to divorce him after elections coz she`s had enough of politics ),

Guys, do you remember that quote from Presidential elections thread? You were sceptical about it, rejected it as rumours shrumours. Yes ,you were right coz the situation has changed in the Dudas marriage. I have just received amazing info but it is strictly confidential so I can`t tell you where I got it from.

The couple had a serious talk about their future. Earlier, Agata had threatened to file for divorce coz as I said, she was fed up with her role of the Silent First Lady. However, Andrzej begged her to stay with him so that his reputation of a family man wouldn`t be tarnished by divorce. Agata agreed on one crucial condition: he must stop being Kaczyński`s sock puppet at last, he has to become an honest politician, give up his low lies and try to unite the divided nation. Also, she expects him to block controvercial laws passed by PiS parliament. One of them is the repolonisation of the media with foreign capital which is intended by PiS to curb free speech in Poland, especially that critical of rightwing rulers. .

Wow, if Duda really becomes independent, that will be certainly a new circus event in Poland. After all, he risks nothing. He can`t run for President any more so now Kaczyński can kiss his ass. Before, Duda was an obedient puppet coz he feared PiS wouldn`t choose him as their candidate. Now, it doesn`t matter to him so he might try to change his image of Ballpen and go down in history as a decent President.

Stay with us to keep track of the developments/
dolnoslask 6 | 3,076
16 Jul 2020 #206
The couple had a serious talk about their future. Earlier, Agata had threatened to file for divorce coz as I said, she was fed up

Have you been having secret threesomes with the Duda's to get such intimate information.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,393
16 Jul 2020 #207
secret threesomes with the Duda's to get such intimate information.

Don't forget Paw is from Kraków, same as Duda, so he is pretty likely to hear informal news and gossip circulated about the town which are based on what Agata's been blabbing in confidence to her close friends.

he risks nothing. He can`t run for President any more so now Kaczyński can kiss his ass.

Don't forget Duda's own views being very close to JK's. I wouldn't expect miracles in Ballpen's demeanor.

Agata had threatened to file for divorce

This piece is pure fantasy.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
17 Jul 2020 #208
Have you been having secret threesomes with the Duda's to get such intimate information.

Haven`t I written the source of my info is strictly confidential????

This piece is pure fantasy.

Why? To me, it is quite plausible.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
29 May 2021 #209
It is a really incredible circus. PiS-nominated head of Supreme Audit Office accuses main PiS politicians, e.g, Prime Minister, of breaking the law while organising last year`s mail elections which eventually didn`t happen. Isn`t it funny???

tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/polish-chief-auditor-accuses-pm-morawiecki-others-of-misconduct-over-2020-election-5103820

At a conference on Tuesday, Marian Banaś said: "Today, taking into account the gravity of the irregularities detected by the inquiry, the NIK notifies the prosecutor's office about a misconduct committed by Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, PM's office chief Michał Dworczyk, State Assets Minister Jacek Sasin and Interior Minister Mariusz Kamiński".
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
6 Jun 2021 #210
Did you hear about elections next Sunday??? Mayor elections in Rzeszów.
A funny thing - the United Right is putting forward two candidates. One fom PIS and the other from Solidarity Poland.

polishnews.co.uk/elections-in-rzeszow-debate-of-the-presidential-candidates-on-tvn24-comments/

The pro-democratic anti-totalitarian opposition reached an amazing compromise and they have one candidate who is leading the polls. He has done well in two debates: so far if Konrad Fiołek's goal was to maintain the position of the favorite, he achieved this goal.

He is a very good candidate. The only negative thing I can say is about his appearance. But it isn`t his fault.





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