Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear?

If you are correctly reading what I say, then you are lying about what I say.


League of Polish Fascists is a common nickname for the Liga Polskich Rodzin, just as their charming (former?) youth wing, the Mlodzie Wszechpolska, were often referred to as the Giertych-Jungen.

So what are you actually saying ? Do you know yourself/?If you do just spit it out1


How common? Is there more people using that than you, your friends and Sierakowski?


Yes, they should put her on the ground and cuff her not paying nice and letting her go to the bathroom or do you actually bevies the she was shot by them?


Yeah I see what you mean they said that Jedwabne was committed by P{oles, still they flushed out some insolent snitches like Boni!


Possibly both!


Why? You should ask him not me!


Well you thought wrong.


Well that hardly qualifies you to have a such strong opinion on the subject.


As they should! Using teenagers to do their dirty job - nice!


That good, and please remember in the future not to complain! Do you vote at all?

I found the quote, and what he says is perfectly reasonable, when not taken out of context by the likes of you.


No I can't, because as you perfectly know, no such quote exists because he never said anything of that sort, so I am not sure why you are trying to defend Kaczynski’s lies.

And I fought that their job was to watch her.Female agent could go with her or they could simply search her and the bathroom and no gun would be used.This case just showed their incompetence.They should be happy she didn't try to shoot them.


They had many publications that were semi-professional.


It wasn't only him.I had many friends abroad at that time and most of them told the same story-ppl asking them what this whole mess is about.


I don't think so.I remember this period pretty good and I'm really grateful that it ended


First you accused me that I didn't have enough knowledge to make a statement and when I tell you that I studied pedagogics (meaning talking to ppl that were dealing with education almost all their lives and visiting many schools at different levels) and had family members at every level (meaning I knew what kids and parents are dealing with) you tell me that I'm not allowed to have strong opinion.Despite the fact that I can have strong opinion no matter how well acquainted with the subject I am you basically forbidden me from having my own point of view.What would satisfy you?Whom should I be in order to please your high standard?Minister of education?


First you say that it was great that they were able to do it and that Tusk would punish them and when I tell you that Giertych threatened them you say "Yeah,that's quite all right."


I may complain about many things but never about the fact that PiS is no longer in power.


Every time since I turned 18.And not only presidential and parliament elections but also EU and local.I remember first free elections when my mother took me with her and let me cross the names.I was so proud! Then she explained me why it's so important and what we can do by this.I never missed elections even when I had to get special document because I was out of my town on the day of elections.

You mean it is deem reasonable by the likes of you!


Of course he did - I'm not sure whether you can find it on the PF or not but indeed he said what he said!


No they job was to arrest her and they failed by giving her VIP treatment!


So many others institutions but I have already agreed with you they do submit to political pressure- like in the Jedwabne case!


Germany using press to influence politics in Poland!


Why?


Maybe our views differ! I think that Polish education is going to the dogs!


I was being sarcastic,because demonstrations in democracy are something normal but inciting pupils to take part in the political campaign is dirty!


Well, if that all you understand from politics then I do not think that your views matters!
How come you post about 100 posts a year!

There were 10 million in Solidarność, but only some 10,000 were jailed under marital law.

No, by anybody who can think reasonably, which clearly doesn't inculde you.


No, he did not. And until you can proe otherwise, it will remain a lie.

When police arrest someone that person is under their care and police is responsible for that person.Why in this case the rules should be different?

And as tp the Vip person-everyone has the right to go to bathroom they just didn't follow basic safety rules.
If that's not incompetence then I don't know what is.


So they are not credible.


Also The Netherlands,UK and France.


Because I remember their style,the mess,the accusation and all the other things I tried to avoid by voting.


You just stated that during Giertych's rule it was going ti the right direction.


And teenagers were following Tusk order?Why should they?They were protesting because they saw what was going on.


What this has to do with my understanding?I meant that I may complain about politics but never in the way: "Oh my,PO made a mess,some other party made a mess I wish PiS was in power again"When someone beats you you're not giving him a chance to hit you again.


I have a life?

Gee I already greed with you they should cuff her right away!


Yes, after they are in the cell not in their own place!


Well in some cases their are and in some not - Boni admitted being a snitch!


So ? Do you care? Poland has the right to the Independent policy!PiS wasn't doing anything bad, all has been used to Poland sucking up to them - so they didn't like when she stopped!


He just put some measures to prevent teachers being intimidated and humiliated by their pupils! That was step in the right direction!


Are you kidding me? They sow *****, they were following media and were incited by others means as well! Anyway it wasn't that common!


If you see PiS not being in power as the main reason for your vote than you do not understand much, unless you have some arguments other than - their are bad they made a mess and all that generalizations imprinted by the media!


Reasonably? You do not think reasonably end off!


Sure he did! Whats the matter you should be happy about that and become Papua or Russian err maybe German if they would take you!

Well intellectually, you would certainly pass for a Russian. Like I said, no proof means that you, just like Kaczynsk, is lying.

Every second since they arrested someone.Place doesn't matter.If they've followed safety rules none of it would have happen.But these are the consequences of creating and using such forces "na kolanie"(on a knee-fast and not to neatly.) and for political reasons.


This is the excuse of every person that doesn't have friends-It's not that I'm mean and stupid
just ppl doesn't understand me and are jelaus of me.PiS made a mess from international relationships.


It's a wonder then that they never did it in the past.It was the only time teenagers protested Minister of Education.


It depends on the teacher.How come there are teachers that never have a problem with discipline.And even if he was doing good job with that(and I don't think so) it was overshadowed by his other ideas that screwed things up.


I already told you that I vote everytime.PiS has nothing to do with it.If you're refering to these words:


then yes.When I vote I try to choose ppl that are wise and responsible and by that keep lunatics away from the power.


I already gave you many arguments.But there is one good enough for me-I lived here when PiS was in charge,I had to follow their rules and I felt bad in my own country (besides many times Mr Kaczyński excluded me from being a real Pole in his speeches).And I wasn't the only one.The elections after their "5 minutes of fame" showed that many Poles thought the same.

We can argue to and fro about the details I say they should put her on the ground and cuff her and you insist that shoudl watch her better - I agree they ****** up!


Political reasons? Do you claim there is no corruption in Poland? I think it was a very mild solution, if somebody wants to get involved in corruption on any level should be punished - that is simple enough! I would make a law - if you cannot prove where your money come form you are investigated!


That is manipulation, who cares for excuses? Political and financial worlds are driven by self-interest, nobody is going look after Poland's well being!


You mean by stepping out of line?


Exactly my point!


Come on, of course they have and had problem with discipline! It is happening all the time especially after so called reform!


Ah you are ideological ally of Harry! Well ...


See there is something I don't understand you said that the most important is to keep PiS put of power and yet you do not vote PO - it doesn't sound quite right!


What rules?


If you are happy in PRL-bis then there is nothing I can say!


Oh really/ You should be grateful to Russians because otherwise you and your kind wouldn't exist!


Yes i cannot be bothered because you would say that I took those words out of context!

In every country you have corruption but fighting with corruption shouldn't be treated as a tool to gain political power


No,by making enemies from our friends(or at least neutral).


I don't have to vote for PO in order to keep PiS from power.If voices are devided parties have to join their efforts and the party I'm voting for is not going to ally with PiS.


They finally had enough.


How did you make such assumption?This "Well" sounds protectional and I never treated you in this way.


Laws their created and atmosphear in which they ruled.


PRL-bis?Really?It's the weirdest expression I ever heard.In what manner today's Poland has enything to do with PRL?From what I read you don't live in Poland.Have you ever lived here?

would you call SLD government before the PiS-lead coalition as a corrupt system (you sure know what Rywin commission was)

if so then fighting for political power sometimes is a direct fight with corrupt systems, my belief is we still live in a corrupt systems and I have reasons to believe this.

Well that sounds good but what it actually means? If you are saying that PiS was doing something illegal and wrong in that regard you shoudl bring on some examples!


Sorry?


With mass media help to be sure!


You mean you were afraid to bribe somebody?lol


There are different circumstances but the same people are in power! Also favoritism, mediocrity, bureaucracy.

In this manner yes but creating administration to fight with corruption when in fact it's a tool to get more power is as sick as corruption itself.


I knew you'd say that.But even if we assume the same ppl are in charge today's Poland is not PRL.If you ask anybody(missing PRL or otherwise) they would tell you that it's not the same in 90%.


Look at my answer to Gumishu.

Well monopoly in media, fiances, soon there will be one party or three parties but no differences between them, over-depended and exploited by the EU! I would say that in all what counts it is PRL-bis except for the fact they people can legally keep their money and high life!


Correct me if I'm wrong but parliamentary commission didn't find anything of the sort!

I think that system in Poland should be overthrown!

With so many idealogically different sources we hardly have a monopoly.Add to that internet and you have wide range of informations.


Parliamentary commisions are a joke.Always were.


Thankfuly it's not your decision to make.But out of curiosity-what would you use in replacement?What's your ideal system and whatppl would you use?

How clever, although he forgot that their real intentions is to know "the truth".
Fear? Before what?
Their statements are so daring that I'd rather not call them with a word connected with "fear".

Merged: Financial markets have no confidence in PiS clowns

It isn't possible to cut and paste from this (the Financial Times don't allow that) however the article says that unfortunately many voters in the forthcoming election are too young to remember what a mess the short-lived PiS regime was and it expresses real concerns about their incompetence in international affairs and financial issues:

on.ft.com/1MVVPOr

Yet it's the clowns from PO that are the leading party for years who made the financial mess in Poland, how many years do you need to simplify the tax system in the country to make it more business friendly? luckily they will not be the leading party very soon.

Simplifying the tax system is trivia compared to the false promises made by Jaro's clowns - masive spending that they would never be able to fund.

Easy for younger voters to forget the unkept promises from last time.

fear from regime in Poland is possible only because is Poland`s ruling elite absolutely separated from Polish people and isolated from viable influences from Slavic countries such is Cezska, Slovakia and Serbia. At the same time, that same corrupted regime exposed Poland and Poles to merciless assimilation by Poland`s EU and NATO partners- USA and west of Europe.

More than a few of the offering memorandums that I've been reading recently include possible PIS-led government in the risk factors sections as something that can be expected to have a damaging effect on the profits of the companies and the Polish economy as a whole.

Tax system is pretty straightforward here.
However, the archaic version of Polish that everything is written is is crazy. They should change it to normal everyday Polish, not that legal/business mumbo jumbo.

ZUS has got to go though, it's a feckin joke.

It never will Smurf. You know full well it is the major "employer" in some towns. All you can do is vote with your feet, as I did.

Yea, I agree Doug and I've done the same.

Yes, as so many do, me too...

PiS members are like leeches who suck out Poland`s wealth for free.
A good example:

trojmiasto.wyborcza.pl/trojmiasto/7,35612,28702621,ponad-100-tys-zl-nagrody-dla-prezesa-radia-gdansk-wyrobil.html

The Chairman of the local public Polish Radio branch in Gdańsk, controlled by PiS, got a special bonus from the board (also PiS) amounting to 109.000 PLN for the previous year. At the same time, the profit of the radio amounted to 436 PLN. Amasing!

The symbolic PLN 436 and PLN 0.18 was shown by the public Radio Gdańsk, while three neighboring public stations were positive from 440,000. up to PLN 1.6 million. This did not prevent the supervisory board from awarding the president of the Gdańsk radio station, Adam Chmielecki, over 109,000. PLN annual award.

Rewarding brave public service, people who broadcast content which is not accord with international freemasonry are risking their lives, excellent work by PiS once again, rewarding these heroes.

Where did the profits for the three neighbouring public stations come from? Who paid these stations??