Poland Parliamentary Elections 2019

He has huge potential but last time around he didn't seem to take it all seriously. Kind of like 'I'm here to show left point of view but please, oh please, don't make me go to parliament and actually be a politician:)

indeed another Marxist and should be watched closely.

Here comes heroic Iron who is going to watch Zandberg closely... :):) Don`t let it turn into sort of Fatal Attraction one day.... :):)

Seats:
PiS -239
KO - 130
SLD - 43
PSL - 34
Konfederacja - 13

239 seats for PIS, thus absolute majority.

Fantastic day for all Poland loving Poles. Post-commies, baby-killers and LGBT weirdos still kept away from any form of power in Poland. Absolutely delightful day. :D

corruption of language, post-communism (it that which came after communism) is great and anyone who uses it as an insult is betraying their longing for a revival of the PRL

And I eagerly await the thousands of apartments and hundreds of kilometers of roads that PiS will now build...

I have no horse in the race, but I am happy to see this instead of that sick 49-51 American crap. That's what we call a mandate. Great day for Poland, come what may.

What, who said anything about that?

I mean, you can't hold them accountable for promises made by a previous government, right?

What all of this shows is that Poles can be bought. They care nothing for their country, for it's economic well-being going forward, or for the environment.

Well done everybody!

@Dougpol1
Bullcrap
It just shows that ill propaganda full of venom and hatred with the addition of anti-pis'mism isn't enough to battle against proper political programme. It just shows that yelling and fest stomping won't get you electorate. Poles are pretty hard to manipulate by foreign interests driven media like TVN or some German newspapers.

Feet stomping*

Yup, this election wasn't about anything other than electoral sausage.

If you read the full list of their electoral promises. you may easily fall under the table. Poland is certainly to become the second Canada within the next four years.

The second Greece is more likely....

It's official: PiS have lost the Senate.

PiS: 48
KO: 43
PSL: 3
SLD: 2
Independents: 4

3 out of the 4 independents are aligned to the opposition, meaning PiS have decisively lost.

Sejm is being calculated, but the projections are coming in between 229-236 for PiS.


Aww. Poor baby lost the Senate :)

Goooood. Goooood. I celebrate. It is of utter importance that heavy armament from Russia continue to fly via Poland`s air space into Serbia and PiS will assure continuity of this. Very important. Russians have some very very good things and we here have very very serious problems. And very honest from Poland, if can`t help openly then at least to make sure Russian weaponry to come to Serbs. Also very important that Polonia coordinate with Poland on this. Very.

PiS!

and any ammendements made by senat can be rejected by sejm. all the senate can do is delay. PiS will play on their electoral mandate and make the opposition clowns look bad. SLD and PSL will support PiS social policies. Not much has changed.

Plus, Trump love PiS


Poland to become second Greece? Maybe if stay 100 more years within EU and gypsineze enough.

Not quite. The Senate can also open up proceedings to the public, while scrutinising legislation in depth and in detail. With the Senate in opposition hands, it means they can invite whoever they want to talk to them. The Senate will be opened up to the people, which de facto means addressing the nation.

Furthermore, the Senate can also propose legislation, and if PiS throw out Senate-originated legislation without reason, it will hurt them electorally.

Let's also not forget that Kaczyński was destroyed by Kidawa-Błońska in Warsaw. Even Duda's father lost, LOL.

But this is a little bit more difficult. The so-called absolute majority is needed for that. Actually, it seems that PiS will have absolute majority in the new Sejm


.Another Venezuela then?

Most predictions have them losing seats, it's just a question of how many. 236 is the number floated around, which is a de facto loss of 4 seats.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that this result is quite unfavourable for PiS, as it's estimated that Ziobro's mob have taken 30 seats and Gowin's lot another 11. While they run together, this will almost certainly result in Gowin demanding more.

He was defeated by her in Żoliborz (quel joli bord! - exclaimed in the 17th century Marysieńska Sobieska when travelling along the Vistula river in a ship on seeing the bank of the river where Żoliborz is now situated), the districk of Warsaw he originates from.

I imagine a certain..."friend of PF" that lives there (not far away from the Kaczyński villa, in fact) must be seething. I need to check TVP's internet presence to see what he has to say...

That's interesting what you say. Didn't know about that ... do you think he lurkes sometimes to the PolishForums?

Just because PiS was a 3 percentage points below the most optmistic sondaz before the election, well it does not take away from the fact that this is a stunning victory, with the highest percentage for a party in thirty years, and being able to have a outright majority in the sejm two elections in a row is unprecendentd. the radical paced changes to the country and its post communist elite will continue. just look at tomek lis wailings in newsweek. we have via carpathia, via baltica, cpk and other massive investments coming up, all will be controlled by PiS friendly companies. Hopefully Schetyna will cling on, and futther lead PO gangsters to electoral abyss The new sejm will be more dynamic and intersting with Konfederacja and SLD attacking each other, framing PiS as a centrist party. The EU and IIIRP oligarchs will now have to come around and accept Polands Pis. The days of total opposition are over. Polish people won and the expats will have to accept it.

Decent intelligent people mustn`t break down. Poland and Poles survived worse cataclysms in our history. E.g., 123 years of partitions, German occupation and Soviet occupation. We shall also survive PiS` second term.

Now, all patriots stand to attention:

Poland has not yet perished,
So long as we still live.
What the foreign force has taken from us,
We shall with sabre retrieve.

We only need to continue educating the masses. The more education, the fewer morons voting for PiS in the future.

Tomorrow, back to work. See you in schools. hahahaha

I love the mental disconnect that the Polonia have. They lost the Senate, Kidawa-Błońska thrashed Kaczyński in Warsaw, Budka beat Morawiecki in Katowice, and they lost people like Piotrowicz who were so prominent during the last 4 years. They've also lost at least 4 seats compared to what they went into the election with.

It's not a stunning victory at all, it's rather an embarrassment given that they had unlimited resources compared to the opposition.


Amazing that you actually promote private business being controlled by politicians.

By the way, those 'massive investments'...whatever happened to that ship in Szczecin that was allegedly being built? Or what about those apartments? Or electric cars?

Pawian, about education... I believe that if we work together, we can change things ;)

Final results from the Sejm:

PiS: 43.59 percent - 235 seats
KO: 27.4 percent - 134 seats
Left: 12.56 percent - 49 seats
PSL: 8.55 percent - 30 seats
Konfederacja: 6,81 percent - 11 seats

PiS lost 5 seats compared to what they started the election with, and even with Konfederacja, they don't have enough seats to overturn the Presidential veto. Any hope they have of changing the Constitution has also gone. For all the boasting about how they were going to win 50%+ of the vote, they fell well short, and losing the Senate to the opposition means no more "let's change the law in the middle of the night" games.

And most importantly, Klaudia Jachira won a seat.

I think this is the day when we pull Poland back from the brink. Your Sejm, our Senate, indeed.

December 1980, Soviets ordered tank crews to warm their engines to crush Solidarity movement, but later withdrew, after realising they were already involved in Afghanistan (with all international repercussions) and should still wait and see what happened in Poland.

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Gomułka and other party officials managed to convince Khruschtshev of not ordering the Red Army to move into Poland at very the last moment in 1956.


I remember a joke in some satirical programme on BBC Radio 4 at that time (1981):

- Mr Brezhnev, what do you think of the American invasion in (here the name of some place is mentioned, but I can't remember what it was)?

- The Soviet Union condems it utterly. And in this condemnation we have the support of the people of Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan and next week I hope to have the support of the people of Poland as well .... hahahahahaha (Leonid Brezhnev laughs wholeheartedly).