Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

I would have voted PiS If NP hadn't register their list in my area and I feel much more sympathy for PiS than for PO, PiS would at least try to do something for this country, PO doesn't bother at all.


Yes and no... Yes for overall official economic policy, however I don't think PiS would sell PKP Cargo to German government, Lotos to Russian one, buy unnecessary "fast trains" because German or French are requesting it, accept so much of Miro/Zbycho kind of business and so on, this stuff is no less important than tax legislation and such...

none of them does anything good for Poland. wake up.

so why do you actually criticize PiS

I would really love to hear you expanding your point...

I'll tell you something Grześ - imagine now that PO + Palikot + SLD could now change the constitution (including writing the whole of the Charts of Rights and Freedoms from the Lisbon Treaty into the new constitution) - imagine that PiS had not the blocking power (I still don't know if they do) to stop them - now I can imagine you are not an avid supporter of the Lisbon treaty and the Charter especially - imagine PiS not having the blocking power because even though there are people who oppose such things they voted for NP and PJN and deprived thus PiS from having a power to block a constituion change - isn't then your vote lost and your personal failure ??

there will be time for voting for parties like PJN and NP - but it's not now - now it's time to stop the flood to have a too much impact - our constitution isn't so bad so it's worth to defend it

We need to say nothing - your lot lost, why should we justify a thing to you?

From now on, your points, your views, they're all absolutely worthless as a PiS supporter. PiS are finished, hey hey, na na, goodbye.

Shameful that you're now claiming to vote NP though - are you really that honourless? Thank **** that at least some people are capable of retaining their dignity in defeat.


Don't quote me on this, but I think PiS already had lost it.


If this exit poll is right - the PJN/NP votes would have been *just* enough to give the magic 1/3rd amount.

(gumishu, I look forward to talking with you about how things are in the future - you're the only one who hasn't suddenly done an about-turn and claimed to vote for someone else - and I respect that. The mockery about rats most definitely doesn't apply to you)

By the way - as a PiS voter - how do you feel about Kaczynski's leadership from here? Are you still behind him - or do you think it's time for a change?

Its not a small percentage Mr D but a very small perecentage...less than 1 in 2 bothered to vote!!!! what a democracy... lol

Democracy includes the right not to vote.

In most democratic countries voting is compulsory, you should stop making up the rules as you go along...its time for a reality check and realise that most Poles are not even bothered...why should outsiders like you even bother...

Most?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

Only 12 countries enforce it. Not really "most", is it?


What rules? The rules haven't changed since 1991 - compulsory voting would achieve nothing here except a vast amount of spoiled-on-purpose ballots. Jeez, making Poles do anything is a bad idea ;)

In my opinion It must get worse before it get's better... Lemings must be hit really hard, only then there's a chance that they will wake up. I also seriously hope that tranny will make it into Sejm, so people will see how sick this **** is. PO + PSL missing a seat or two and needing to team up with Palikot would be a great thing too. Imagine PiS somehow made it 1% ahead of PO, either SLD or Palikot got out and they put up coalition with PSL... You know what would happen then ? "Prrresident", TVNs, foreign media, all the "independent" experts and NGOs... They would all jump on Kaczyński immediately, blame him for the outcome of Tusk's "government", they would force early elections after no more than 2 years and PO would come back with +50%. I say give it all to them. Kaczyński should give up leadership and hide for the next 3 years. Who would they blame then ? Give it all to Tusk, that's the only way to prove his total incompetence.


I was hoping to hear a bit more about reformist agenda of PO... please tell...


LOL ! What "now" ? I NEVER voted PiS and never said anything else here, nevertheless I will always favour PiS over PO as PiS is a weak political party and PO is a gang of (at least regarding leadership) imbeciles, traitors and criminals.


Trolling again or you're really that naive politically ?

Projecting.

No, a lot of their front rank consist of individuals who made themselves successful outside of Poland, and have come back to give back something to their country. Unlike somebody I can think of.


Australia has compulsory voting, and everybody hates it! forcing people to vote smacks of totalitarianism. Poles didn't overthrow communism just to be told to what to do, thinking otherwise reflects old communist mentality.


The only thing that is sick, is your inability of tolerating difference.


Luckily thanks to the sensibility of everyday Poles, this nightmare has come to fruition.

So what do you think, should Kaczynski stay as leader so the mental geriatric show continues into the future, or should they get themselves a new leader, and who might that new leader be?

Preliminary results: PO + PSL = 232 seats. 2 more to go. Go tranny go !!!

Would you believe I actually went to vote to our local "Klub Polski" here downunder, and they told me that I had to register 2 weeks prior for them to prepare for my vote. So as it turns out, surprisingly me and my friends (ahem, my friends and I) would have been the only PO voters, and all other people there were for Kaczor. Our group ended up goin to the pub, after having 2 Warka Strongs, good times.

Let's be honest here - you're just bitter that your men have lost. Again.

I think it's time to abandon straight faces and start pointing it out directly - you and your ilk are nothing but losers. I mean, all the way through, you never once made any claim to support NP and Korwin-Mikke, but now, you suddenly claim to do so. Utterly spineless, I'd say.

You can sit here ranting about PO all you want - the truth is that no NP supporter would ever dream of voting for PiS, apart from perhaps a tiny, tiny amount of people - but most of them absolutely abhor PiS and their socialist policies. And I know this - because I know a real supporter of NP who is very involved with them. Incidentally, NP voters also tend to be a bit more clued up and don't tend to resort to childish insults towards a party - that's PiS behaviour.

Still, no doubt based on the results, we'll see about 10% of people claiming to have voted for Korwin-Mikke's friends while they'll get about 1% in reality. Hahahaha, etc.

Ah well, we can look forward to another 3 years of total PO dominance. All fun and games, especially when the policies against the 30% start hurting them. Can't say I'm particularly bothered about such people.

I should say not come to fruition, I am sure everybody knows what I am on about.


Oh well, at least you you will know for next time(: I hope you made a toast for PO


three more years!
precz z Kaczynskim!

Not the best of news according to wyborca PO has lost some ground, but at least PSL has made up some extra ground, so it's not all bad. Hopefully they can reach their initial prediction of 39%, and things will be good(:

PO received in Sunday's parliamentary elections, 39.18 percent .; PiS - 29.89 percent .; the third Palikot's Movement - 10.02 percent . PSL is 8.36 percent . votes, and the Democratic Left Alliance - 8.24 percent . - The official election results announced NEC at 21.30 on Monday after counting of votes with 100 percent. circuits. The turnout was 48.85 percent .

There is still about 35% of the vote to be counted.

I never said I'm going to vote PiS, you won't find my one post saying it even If you spend the whole day searching, that's it for your childish nonsense. I've always been voting for JKM's political vehicles with the full awerness that it's a wasted vote, I vote it the way people in America vote for 3rd candidate in the Presidential elections. I don't like "lesser evil" solutions, besides it's not really about one party or another getting 1% more of less votes. It is the question If internationalistic/EU first/suck up to "foreign investors" even If they are clearly ripping us off/anything Polish is ********* adopt EUR ASAP/we can't do anything on our own/listen to who TVN tells you is smart/down with "antisemits" crowd will dominate minds of Polish voters in the long term or not and Tusk getting away from responsibility for all the recent mess and handing it to Kaczynski to sort it out would actually make that fraction stronger. I understand that It's more advanced thinking than the level of 2+2 "analysis" and nanana, so you will probably won't understand anyway but at least I was trying... Overall I'm satisfied with the results, If PO + PSL won't get enough seats and will have to team up with Palikot narco homo criminals, I will be overjoyed.


Shows perfectly intelectual ability of typical PO fanatic :))

interesting that 25 % of young people voted for the palikot movement. The backlash against the mainstream parties has started, it will be the next parlamentary elections where there will be a shakeup.

Poland elections:

Yes, I saw some of them yesterday shouting "palić, sadzić, zalegalizować", It's really sad that we're getting that low, good thing is that this idiot will either really try to do that and become a huge problem for PO or will give it and similar sick stuff up and lost most of the support once the freak show is over.

PO, who probably won yesterday's general election, and must now focus on cutting the budget gap to reverse a zloty plunge as investors shy away from Poland.

PO has pledged to narrow the deficit to 2.9 percent of gross domestic product IN 2012, counting on 4 percent economic growth to boost revenue."The budget for next year must be made more realistic, this one is too optimistic, as the cycle of uncertainty that surrounds PL.

The zloty has slumped about 9.5 percent against the euro this year as investors shy away from emerging markets and on concern Europe's debt crisis will slow economic growth.The International Monetary Fund is forecasting 3 percent growth and Citigroup Inc. is predicting just 1.9 percent expansion in Poland, the only member of the 27-nation EU to avoid recession during the global financial crisis.

The budget deficit soared to 7.9 percent of GDP last year and public debt is near the threshold of 55 percent of GDP, a level that would trigger mandatory austerity measures.Controlling public finances will be the greatest challenge for the administration that emerges from the election. The general government deficit soared to 7.9 percent of gross domestic product in 2010, exceeding the EU's 3 percent limit for a third consecutive year.

The zloty's tumble sent local-currency government bonds down 15.7 percent in dollar terms last quarter, the third-worst returns worldwide after Greece and Hungary, according to indexes of debt due in more than one year compiled by the European Federation of Financial Analyst Societies and Bloomberg.

Poland, a country of 38 million people, was the biggest net recipient of EU funding in the bloc's 2007-2013 budget, getting 67 billion euros ($97 billion) in aid to iron out differences between richer and poorer states.The funding, which helped the Polish economy grow 4.4 percent a year in 2007-2010, may be cut if the country doesn't reduce its deficit to within the EU limit of 3 percent of gross domestic product next year from 7.9 percent in 2010.The EU aid has added an average of 1.5 percentage points to economic growth each year, according to Poland's Regional Development Ministry, and remains essential for economic expansion as budget cuts may limit consumer demand and public investment.

PO is now caught between a rock and a hard stone, implement austerity measures to reduce the debt or risk losing EU funding.

Expected blow back from youth when you send masked anti terrorist units breaking down doors looking for a few grams of grass, and then put said posseser of herb in jail with murderers and rapists. Actually decriminilisation of marijuana and other drugs has been proven to reduce societel harms in portugal and czech republic.


Of course closing corporate and company loopholes and increasing tax on the super rich does not enter into their status quo equation. I don't even think they will be able to streamline the public sector to the level that cuts are needed.

Lost? See this:


Translated from News, Museum of 4th Republic


Well done, just continue following "Da man"

Motto of the week:
"Sooner or later we will win, simply because we are right" - the steadfast and charismatic leader of the Resistance, the Miraculously Survived Chairman-Prime Minister-Almost President Jarosław Temporarily-Altered-Kaczyński

Yeah yeah yeah. When did you ever suggest that you supported NP and Korwin-Mikke?

Palivec - we can't even talk about Polska A an B anymore! Poland is firmly behind PO - that much is obvious.

It strikes me that if Palikot didn't have his movement, we would've seen PO actually score higher than in 2007.

Latest results -


As it stands - PO can form a coalition with any one from Ruch Palikota, SLD or PSL. Excellent news all round. The only issue is that PiS appear to have done *just* enough to win 1/3rd of the seats, so they will be able to block constitutional reform. However, it doesn't seem impossible that a few people will defect from PiS.

yea, I bet you love it(:

Remember what Sikorski said, that PIS members must learn to love their country and their government.

so learn to love it biatch(:


I love it(:


Damn, I hope not, i want to see a reduction in the number of MP's and maybe the abolition of the senate):

It's trully fascinating, you are generating stereotypes about me and then get disappointed that I don't live up to them. What's next, you will shout It's impossible when I say that I don't listen to radio Maryja ? I voted once for Lech Kaczynski, I've never voted PiS, I couldn't care less If you believe it or not. If you are trying to push idiotic agenda that "I changed my mind" or something, I can tell you that I wouldn't be surprised If one day It turns out that Tusk is Germany's agent of influence and Bro was trained by GRU and is still on their leash (so far one thing is obvious, his "artistocratic origins" are fake) so much for my supposed "transformation", nevertheless PiS is in many cases not in line with my views, so I don't vote them. Besides victory right now wouldn't be in their interest anyway.


You do seriously believe PO holding all the major offices would actually support that ? Are you 3 years old ? You both are clueless about real politics.

most people are idiots and that the fact, democracy in the present form doesn't works, not only in Poland.

well, actually the abolition of the Senate can well be a major issue in the next elections - not because it is that important for Poland - just another helpful media created distraction

until the time of the next elections the Senate issue will not be raised by the PO

and I believe we need a Senate - it often had to block really terribly written bills

I would introduce a full personal responsibility of voters for deeds of a party they voted for.

Looking at the voting by US Polonia, I could agree with you on that point completely :)