Should Poland made an energy bridge deal with Russia?

Why are you so against it that countries organize their energy directly...here between Germany and Russia? You should know by know that we made some bad experiences with having to many middle men...

You seem nothing to have against german dependency on instable middle men regarding it's energy security, why is that?

Well, Germany is one of the biggest pushers to block nuclear energy as a source of power in many countries...

A small country like Turkmenistan will show such a big character by tring to give their folks free energy, free hospital, etc and the big West will show characterless behaviours by stirring the policies and you will prove socialism is not paradise? Of course, the life is not paradise. But, being against the free energy, free hospital, etc as an ordinary folk like you can be considered as idiot fool only.. West is already in marsh. Economy is sinking badly in the west and you still are against free hospital etc? Idiot, fool.. If Turkmenistan isnt so successful, do it better.. No, you ordinary folks of west are so fool that you love to stay in marsh. Economy sinking.. Enjoy sinking.

Well, Germany is rethinking that policy right now...

European Union countries rely heavily on Russian energy:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_European_Union

I am for a European Union doing business together showing a united front. Russia, China, America a few other big players... a divided Europe is not going to be good for any of us.

It is not about Germany being independent but about the E.U. being a bigger stronger force in the world.

Russia is trader only. They export their small amount of their energy as they consume most of energy in Russia. EU heavily rely on Turkmenistan and Algeria gases as these are importan sources and exporters.

Again...come out with an exact scenario please...to do what exactly as an united front???


Again, great words...but we still need our daily energy in the mean time.

Russia has it - we need it! Other countries tried to abuse german/european dependency on those pipelines going over their soil...tried to use it as a leverage in spats with Russians...ergo Germany decides to diversify their sources.

Looks like the E.U. have been trying:
External energy relations
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_European_Union#External_energy_relations


Having a pipeline that does not pass through third parties but is kept in the E.U.
I have already said a more stable supply without price hikes.


Do you not think that our E.U. should be unified on it's over dependency on Russian energy, we are all having the same problem, why are you against solving it together?

They closed all the hospitals in the country side, they're not investing in infrastructure to actually get the free energy to their people, and they're taking away people's pensions. It's a nightmare down there. And a huge shame considering how resource rich the country is.


You're right here. Gazprom is a middle man. Sell off the Turkmen gas and then sell the Russian gas once supplies get tight. Smart.

How?
Who else can supply the EU with the needed energy?
I'm not against solving the problem but I ask you desperatedly for an alternative....you have no idea either, right?

The only real alternative are projects like desertec...but that will need some years...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec

Russian strategy and tactics for Europe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe%27s_energy_dependence_on_Russia#Russian_strategy_and_tactics

Again...your alternative would be? Come on Seanie...gimme some meat!!!

The pragmatic me thinks till we are getting independent from fossil resources at all those countries who have the stuff will be always profit from it where countries without much resources like Germany will always be dependent....

Convex, you live in the West? You want free energy, free hospital, etc as one in ordinary folk? You are critizising Turkmenistan, a small country open to games of Russia, West, etc about not being very successful in these giving free energy, free hospital, etc.? Then, West is doing the worse. Do it better than Turkmenistan. But, no, western ordinary folks are so fool idiots or so stupids that they can't do even a free hospital thing (see hard discussions against obamas new health care in usa). Look at yourselves first before critisizing Turkmenistan. West is in sh*t marsh and they are belittleing Turkmenistan. Pity you!

I am not suggesting that we stop our business with Russia.
I am saying that divided we are weaker, much weaker.

Supply and demand, if we are united one on one with Russia for gas we have more pulling power. Russia also needs to sell.


We could all live in windmills :)

Again I am not suggesting not doing business with Russia but a true European Union would benefit from a united front, a steady supply and no price hikes.

Erm...not really hard to to:
/wiki/Turkmenistan#Human_rights


Sounds like a creep country!

Turkmenistan, which by all means should be a ridiculously rich country, does a worse job at keeping its people alive than Western governments.

At least in the West we get a chance to get the things that we want and need, as opposed to the situation in most dictatorships where the people are at the whims of the government to either bless them or let them suffer. I'll take free choice, thanks.

He should fit in well there then.

Yes my suggestion is exactly the same as before when North Korea was held up as a great model. Just go experience it for a while (just don't complain about it when you get there! seriously, you'll get thrown in the klink).

What??? That is screwy.

Helmets will be forbidden next!

Free choice? Freedom? West? LoL !

Look. Your so called democracies are under control of a rich minority only. Ask your all politicians. Why do they tell so much lie and give up their words during elections? Simple. You select someones and then a rich control them. Look at a factory in West. There is an owner. Owner chose a president/ceo. Ceo choses directors. Directors chose managers. Managers chose workers and employees. Employee vote for president/ceo? In country, you think so. Eh, you always think wrong. Eh, this is why West is sinking economically. You need another war? LoL. Yes, you have freedom. You can push nuke buttons. Your only freedom is this freedom.

We don't shoot you for stating your opinion! ;)

of course

Could we not make him the exception?

At least in Turkmenistan these things are banned - hopefully the rest of the world will follow
their example! :D

Dunno, at least we have the option of saying "hey, you're stealing from us!" without being thrown in jail. Turkmen don't have that option. They have to take it.

You know how they say..."First they came for the beards, then they came for the ballet and opera stuff and as they came for my helmet there was nobody there anymore"...or so...

Saying, but, getting nothing. If you try to get, you are kicked out of company or out of life in the West.

Yeah - they also said "I don't agree with your love of ballet and opera but I would
give my life to guarantee you the right to express it" :-)

Ah, well - can we at least ban wearing baseball caps back-to-front?

Getting nothing is better than getting tossed in jail and having all your belongings taken from you by your friendly local government authorities.