Should Poland made an energy bridge deal with Russia?

@convex

In West, if you dont have money, you creep and they dont take even to hospitals and you die. Freedom? Yes, you westerners are very free. Face it. West is a failure now from point of view of economy system. You arent looking at yourselves into the mirror, you are critisizing others how ugly they are, etc.

Ya, western poor ordinary folks, it is difficult to understand you, you are really fools.
You dont have money in your pockets, you go and watch basketball, football etc players making millions of dollars a year. Just only this shows how fools you are.

At least we can see bearded, long haired, ballerinas in an opera whenever we like!
That is true freedom!

Actually wasn't there a Plan "B" to have Europe's energy supplied from the -Stan countries?

Yup!!!

The danger of being an energy bridge between two powerful neighbours is that that both would like to secure it.
Meaning influencing internal affairs of Poland, its sound even more plausible because Russia and Germany have long history of doing so.

Seems that so far Germans had an upper hand as they secured 80% of mass-market market in Poland. One can safely assume that PO is indebted :D

In Turkmenistan you don't have hospitals, and no money. You just die. You hear about people dying in Europe all the time because hospitals reject them.


Uh, you have serious mental problems if you can't see that Turkmenistan is a brutal unforgiving hellhole of a country.

Ya, Convex, a guy supporting West economy system, just tell us.
You want free hospitalization, free health care or not?

Nothing in this world is for free!

There is no such a thing...get a grip man!

If nothing is for free, enjoy non-freedom then.
But, never claim again this that you have freedom there in West.

Oh don't hurt your head to much...we enjoy our freedom knowing that every work is worth to be paid for, and that it is the only way to secure the future of this work, thank you very much!

you changed...

you said nothing for free. and, now, you enjoy your freedom?

ufff, you are like women. they can be understood as they are under pressure of male world, but, you guys?

Well...and you should leave your foolish idea that only free things are good or mean freedom.
You should go living in the forest then...lot's of free grass and free rain and free leaves for food...*rolls eyes*

BBoy, be straight man. Do you have freedom in West or not?

One wonders are you paying for breathening air or not ! ?

Yes, we have...I have experienced the socialist version and the capitalist version and my decision is clear.

There is freedom to do some things and prohibitions on doing others. Need it be deeper than that?

You said first, there is no freedom in world and now you saying you have freedom.
Your freedom is based on non-freedom of others in capitalism, on killing millions of people (oil, etc) elsewhere?

Ps. You never lived true socialism. What you lived is Russian nationalism. Look at the result. Other Soviet regions are poor while Russia became superpower with military. You lacking logic.

Again.. are you paying for breathening air or not? (we know you are paying for lands, water, etc)

*sighs*

No we do not and actually I'm not interested in such useless discussions...I experienced socialism (as did many others around the world) as real as it will ever get, you will try to convince me of an idealistic version only viable in books etc.etc.etc.etc.

Leave us in the free West alone would you...why don't you go building up your fantasy world somewhere else!

Story in The Times today:

'Dash for Poland’s gas could end Russian stranglehold'

://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_re s ources/article7087585.ece

So, you live for free. But, you said there is no freedom in life.
So, this means you want to pay for breathening air also.
Ok. work on controlling air also then. You (your mentality) already controlled lands, water, etc. Yes, you can also control air easily. (don't fart!)

Yeah of course...gimme the adress of the people who produce and work for this air and I will gladly do my duty....I'm not a free rider, our societies would break down if everybody would prefer it "free"!

pardon.. someones are producing lands, water, oil, etc?

Well, land needs to be worked on to produce something, farmers need to earn money to make a living from their work...the fishers need money for their work too...well...having huge oil reservoirs is luck but somehow your paradise Turkmenistan has oil and still half of it's people living under the poverty limit...so...

again, you are lacking dialog.

lands are being produced by some people?

And you are lacking brain and logic (and experience I might add).
Isn't there a "communism for idiots" fan club somewhere you can pester?

Bye

Am a pure capitalist.. You cant be even a real capitalist.
If you were able to do, you could see it is also true socialism.
There is only and only one god, money!

Braking News !

Poland can consider that solved her problems with gas, after today`s news that Serbia got license to re-export Russian gas. Any further Polish negotiations with Russia on this matter aren`t necessary. Poland already have all valid trade agreements with Serbia, including cooperation in energy sector.

It will be like with re-export of Polish apples to Russia. Just now in opposite direction, from Russia to Poland.

source: Potpisano: Srbiji dozvoljen reizvoz ruskog gasa (Eng- Signed: Serbia can re-export Russian gas)
b92/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2017&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=1338041

In just one move is shown that neither EU, neither USA, can`t blackmail Poland. Also, in just one move is proved that Russia don`t hold Poland, that isn`t enemy of Poland, that Russia respects interests of Poland and Visegrad Group.

While EU blocking direct Poland-Russia cooperation and that way harming Poland, EU can`t prevent cooperation of Poland with Serbia, via Hungary. In this case, on gas.

You would now understand what would mean for Poland, if Serbia become EU member, while keeping good relations with Russia. Time has came for Serbia to be line of life for Poland. And its alright. We Serbians survived Turkish invasion only because Poland wanted that we survive.

Official Poland making mistakes under the NATO (ie US) and EU (ie Germany) pressure and complicates its relations with Russia. At the same time, USA and Germany themselves offering and making all kind of deal with Russia.

Spot this now. Serbian media rapports about newest Merkel`s proposal to Putin about on Northern stream 2 that can bypass Poland and connect Germany directly to Russia.

Presedan: Merkelova prkosi Poljacima - Putine, šta nudiš /Scandal: Merkel defy Poland: Putin, what you offering/
b92/biz/vesti/svet.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=16&nav_id=1359668

Circumstanced changed. Poland import gas from the USA, that gas is actually cheaper than gas Poland gets from Russia. A good deal.

I don't believe that, Iron. The transport costs alone should make that impossible to achieve. You've got sources?

That's true. The EU officially blocks its members from dealing with Russia but that doesn't stop some EU members from making shady "side deals" with Russia.

Make no mistake Crow, the EU is a deeply corrupted body.

Poland doesn't exclude a possibility of making a new gas deal with Russia after 2022 when a current contract expire. A new gas diversification projects are aimed at establishing a stronger position for the future negotiations.

The EU does not do anything in this case. The EU countries decided to place sanctions on Russia, which have to be approved by all member states every 6 months. There is also no complete ban an alm trade with Russia.