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Karol Nawrocki, the New President of Poland, Sworn In


mafketis  43 | 11693
1 day ago   #1
After a surprise(?) narrow victory in the second round of the presidential elections, Karol Nawrocki was sworn in today.

What to people expect? What are the possible benefits and drawbacks to a Nawrocki administration?
Ironside  52 | 13587
1 day ago   #2
One major benefit is the fact that he can and will stop any attempts by the current criminal government to make laws detrimental to Polish national interests. Furthermore, it is hard to predict outcomes mainly because the Constitution doesn't leave much room for the president to maneuver or influence current politics. On the other hand, if he is smart about it, given the weak intellect and incompetence of the people in charge, he might achieve something.
It is really difficult to predict anything, as he is relatively new in politics, and it is hard to guess what kind of president he is going to be.

Regarding people's expectations: those who are supporting the new president probably expect too much. They anticipate him addressing the issues this government is currently facing. They expect results, increased investment in infrastructure, and a firmer stance towards other countries, including Ukraine and Germany.

In short, they expect a lot. Even more, they hope for several positive changes.
Torq  19 | 1768
1 day ago   #3
Wasn't my candidate but now that he's the President the past is forgotten and hopefully he will turn out to be worthy of the office. He can make up for his doubtful past by being a good president.

As for the rest - what Iron said.
PolAmKrakow  3 | 972
1 day ago   #4
I like what he had to say yesterday and in his campaign. No migrants, modernize the military, stick to the zloty, and keep Poland safe. I like the fact that he is not afraid to tell anyone to FO. Maybe he is rough around the edges, but I think Poland needs that and not another soft politician who wants to make photos appear as though he is actually doing something. While I know Tusk has the most power, you could see the misery on his face yesterday and it was priceless. The death march toward the Euro is stopped, and he has a real strong President to deal with. Duda was a strong PiS ally, but Nawrocki is a very strong person with his own ideas and doesnt strike me as a politician in the way that Duda is.
OP mafketis  43 | 11693
1 day ago   #5
Nawrocki is a very strong person with his own ideas and doesnt strike me as a politician

He's not the weak, obliging figure that AD was for sure.

Biggest danger (given his fascination with gangster types) is that he goes into business for himself setting up a bribery pipeline...

I'm fairly sure he's going to go off the reservation at some point (as AD tried a pathetic time or two) which makes me wonder how Kaczyński thinks he's going to control him.

I am in general agreement with:

no migrants - meaning no undocumented migrants from outside the region, though it should be remembered that PiS opened the floodgates in Asia handing out work permits like candy.

no euro - terrible pseudo-currency that was already obsolete by the time it was introduced and cannot work without a common fiscal policy (which no one wants) and/or transfers (which the Germans do not want).

I'm against

no raising the retirement age - that's simply impossible, if Polish people didn't have enough kids, and they did not, they either have to work longer than they'd originally planned or agree to more non-EU migration. Bonus - not retiring is good for you! Longevity is increased by staying active

Did he say anything else of interest/importance? Did he get through the whole day in public without popping a nicotine pouch?
cms neuf  1 | 2164
1 day ago   #6
How do you feel the EUR is obsolete and cannot work ?

If people are happy to transact in EUR then QED it works

The EUR is already the de facto currency for big transactions in Poland and has been for about 10 years - want to build a freeway or an airport or an apartment block ? You will be borrowing and repaying in EUR. Want to export or import something - even to non EUR countries UK or Switzerland ? Often the invoice is in EUR.

It's the same in Hungary and Romania.

Zloty are increasingly for the tram and Zabka.

I know the political steps will take a long time but it's a situation where the market is moving quicker than a bunch of right wing voters in small towns
OP mafketis  43 | 11693
1 day ago   #7
the EUR is obsolete and cannot work ?

In its current form it's not flexible enough. It was created for Germany's manufacturing economy and is terrible for more service-based economies.... it's a bit like 'industrialization' in the communist period.

Have Greece and Spain recovered yet?
cms neuf  1 | 2164
1 day ago   #8
It's flexible enough that nobody left and lots of countries joined.

You are talking about problems that were a generation ago - the fact people are happy to use it outweighs most arguments.

I'm fine with the zloty but ultimately if you invest in zloty long term you are at the whim of Polish politics
johnny reb  50 | 8354
1 day ago   #9
if you invest in zloty long term you are at the whim of Polish politics

How hard is it to buy and sell physical gold in Poland if you are talking LONG TERM ?
Lazarus  3 | 542
1 day ago   #10
makes me wonder how Kaczyński thinks he's going to control him.

Same way that he kept Adrian in line: the threat of a State Tribunal. Tusk's lot would love to have Nawrocki removed and they could probably find plausible grounds given
Nawrocki's past. If Kaczynski orders the PiS mob to support such an attempt, it's bye bye Rocki.

No migrants

Poland clearly needs migrants. But Poland does not need foreign criminals. Anybody who has served three or more jail sentences given for felon convictions should be banned from even getting a tourist visa.
cms neuf  1 | 2164
1 day ago   #11
Easy to buy, difficult to sell

And now there is VAT on both gold and silver

Anyway - stay on topic with the new President
PolAmKrakow  3 | 972
22 hrs ago   #12
@mafketis
I dont think JK has a chance of controling him. I agree he will do his own thing, and I think quite often. Pleasure to watch Tusk squirm yesterday and today. Your thoughts on retirement age for Poland are absolutely correct. Retiring is making a decision to slowly rot away mentally and physically. Agree on the Euro as well. USD is a lot easier to use effectively here and the zloty should never go away for many reasons. Every country should take pride in their currency, it is not just money, it is a symbol of pride, and for Poland represents the history of the country. The Euro is just another left wing bvllshit idea to eliminate individuality and try to make everyone the same.


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