Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland

No.

Orban explained well, why Ukraine in the EU is bad for Hungary.

It will absorb all the money, that would otherwise be going to you. It will make you poorer and less significant.

Ukraine has a demographic and industrial weight which Hungary and Poland do not possess. It would crush your agricultural, coal, and steelmaking industries. It would suppress the salaries of your people - because they are willing to work for less.

That's Ukraine.

Now imagine if Russia joins the EU? Nobody would ever remember about Poland again in Brussels? Even France and Germany would be competing to stay relevant. Russia, like Alexander I after the Napoleonic Wars, would seek to impose a dictate on how all of Europe should live. Russia's arguments would be infinite energy and the military power to ignore China and America.

For a Poland, that is climbing the ladder of the EU hierarchy, letting in a Russian monsters into the arena would not be good.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I gave it as an example of that "Polish superpower" at work.


Well, you and Ptak clearly don't give a flying F about telling the truth, that I know already.


I'm not stomping my feet, screaming or crying. I called you out on your bullsh1t for which Ptak attacked me and he keeps attacking me (I guess he has nothing better to do in life). And now you joined in.


How do you know that? I asked him about that and he hasn't answered my question so far.

As usual.


Can we exchange it for some nukes? Or at least a couple of million of small military drones?

Russia is in the arena, wether it is visible in a Brussels office, battlefield or internet. It's too large to be ignored, unless somebody is naive.

But, is it truly naive and too idealistic for me that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine can shape Europe for the better? Is it about reality? Perception? Looks of self worth or lack of trust in the future?

No serious politician in 1989 would think Poland, more so every Pole himself that Poland would be clean, have motorways of European standards and not have to be ashamed to be called Polish.

Poland moved and moves forward, so can Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. If they want to

Not really.


I'm sure some nice country would be more willing to lend us some if we keep that moral superiority :)

And, btw, having nukes and an army of drones doesn't exclude having moral superiority.

Russia sees the WORLD as its playground, and it feels that Europe is its home turf.

It is supremely offensive to Russia's sense of self, that Americans or Chinese can dictate how life develops on the Continent - all the while ignoring Russia.

I don't know about better or worse - but Russia will certainly try to remake the EU to more closely correspond with its own vision.

The Russian view on the EU is as an enormous force multiplier. Something that... if we gained access to - would ensure that our voice and our will are felt in every single corner of the globe. Already we are strong, but with the EU we would be invulnerable.

Thinking about it now...

Probably the first thing Russia would do is attempt to strengthen Brussels. To silence the rest.

It would push strongly for centralization. It would want all power to be handed over to Brussels.

The idea being that we control Brussels.

European centralization is only good if we are in charge. Otherwise, we will oppose it and do everything to prevent it from happening. God knows we have fertile ground to work with.

Largely following the British approach. Either we lead this thing, or we will try to destroy it.

You already had the EU. Before the war EU's core, with Germany at the forefront, was eating out of your hand. All you had to do was calm Poland's fears and somehow include her (i.e. Central Europe) in your plans, and the alliance of sorts was quite possible. However, and perhaps to some extent understandably, Russia never treated Poland as a serious player. You saw us in a similar way as we saw Samo... erm, Lithuania, and that fueled firstly a moderate Russophobia and secondly a distrust of Germany (Nord Stream, talking to Russia over our heads). The war helped Americans to push Russia out of Europe in both economic and political terms and I can't see how this might realistically change in the foreseeable future.

So, all things considered, Putin - as brilliant, psychopathic and honourable as he is - made a mistake with his Ukrainian affair. A terrible mistake.


But you support AfD, Le Pen and Orban - forces that actively oppose centralization of the EU. 5D chess?


Right. I should have read it until the end before responding. :)

The old european problem! Brits, Frenchies and Krauts don't begrudge each other the green on the apple!

A russian insert would be a game change (which doesn't have to be that bad in german eyes actually, heh:)

I think you believe it. geez!
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I think about the EU in the threat category. It is the German EU and it would take a lot to change it and mend its ways. As you say, we don't need Ukraine in the EU.
Also, as I said /Poland needs to work closely with Scandinavia, and other smaller countries of the region. However, Belarus and Ukraine are contested territories ( I don't mean incorporation but a zone of interest); after all, Russia is not satisfied with what it has. So there is no point in not trying to change the status quo of those states.
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If you don't want to be called stupid don't post such openly stupid opinions.

History shows that when Russia becomes involved - even such titans as Germany become "satellites", "puppets" etc.

Britain was a historic problem, because of its familial relationship with America. However, Britain has thankfully deleted itself out of the equation through epically stupid Brexit. Making our job supremely easier to accomplish.

The Germans are afraid of their own shadow.

The French are a shadow of what they imagine themselves to be.

The Italians are just happy to trade as good Gypsies.

Spain? Where is that?

Of course it is not bad in German eyes. For Poles however, Germans and Russians getting cozy over our heads is not only wind in the eyes but also rupture in the hearts and pain in the butts. Keep that in mind, bitte.

Given that our politicians are, to a large extent clueless about geopolitical issues, so policies they formulate are lame like a lame duck.
I'm not surprised that nobody takes us seriously.

Was eating out.


Don't be delusional about our standing there.
From the Russian point of view, his only mistake was underestimating the Ukrainian will to fight and losing the first stage of the war.

Okaaayyyy....will do!

*sighs*

That's scary.


Ah, sorry, yes, I meant fascist. Better now? :)
What's stupid about my opinion though? Those are your views to a tee, aren't they?:

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement. It is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition"

Btw, today there was a Mermaid Parade in Warsaw and apparently some right-wing/nationalist morons had a problem even with that. I guess they got triggered by the word "parade" lol 😂🤦 For those who don't know - a mermaid is a symbol of Warsaw represented on the city's coat of arms. 🙄

HaHaHaHa!!! ignorance is bliss..... I have three grandsons and they ALL look Polish!
Unlike any of your children or grandchildren...... or did you fail to produce?

Meanwhile, back on topic of the new President....He is publicly saying he is against Ukraine joining the EU. As more governments turn against the EU commission, and the idea's forced on EU members like immigration policies, Ukraine will have a very difficult time getting into the EU. He is also saying he will support Polish farmers and other groups in Poland over Ukraine interests, yet he still supports Ukraine defending itself. While the guy may be an idiot to some degree, he is making some pretty fair and balanced centrist statements.

Yeah, I'm sure sovereign Russia will change its geopolitical alignement and stop sucking Chinese greasy cock.

Any day now...

China owns them, and is just sitting pretty and watching everything in r*SSian and the US unfold to their advantage.

Fascism is a right-wing ideology of the left, you have communism, socialism, and fascism. Those who refuse to recognize Marxism, progressivism, and all kinds of left nonsense have nothing to do with fascism. Only left-wing losers persist in that terminology, calling all those who disagree with them fascists. Just keep it where it is in your left patalogical family.
Even if that wasn't the case, that description is describing Tusk and other totlitarians, doesn't reflect me and my values..

а пошел бы ты нахуй ты этот русский

The times of hieroglyphs are over.

it's what aliens write in.

This was painted by some child, but let's get back to Nawrocki, when will he take office and will he be different than Duda?

And no one wants to talk about his weird physical resemblance to Nikodem "Nikoś" Skotarczak, the gangster he wrote a book about?

No one is interested in that.... really?

jbzd.com.pl/obr/4128107/artykul-na-miare-onet-pilne-karol-nawrocki-to-nieslubny-syn-nikodema-skotarczaka-ps-nikos

I probably don't believe the theory... but isn't it worth disproving?

I think you have an unhealthy obsession. It doesn't advance our understanding of any issue. It is pure gossip, gossiping ladies that way-OUT!

Next you'll be claiming that Novichok's father is Franciszek Mazur/Lewko Horodenko!!

fyi (maybe someone can disprove....)

reddit.com/r/Polska/comments/1kvrlav/co_je%C5%9Bli_tadeusz_b_jest_spokrewniony_z_nikosiem/

" tego co czytałem na tt matka Nawrockiego i żona Nikosia mogły się znać, bo obie pracowały w tym samym zawodzie, a sam Nawrocki urodził się niedługo po tym jak Nikoś i żona rozwiedli się ze względu na zdrady. Do tego w książce Batyr zdaje się wyraźnie sympatyzować z Nikosiem. Czuję się teraz okropnie podając dalej jak straganiarka niesprawdzone plotki, ale hmmm... "

From what I've read, Nawrocki's mother and Nikoś's wife could have known each other because they both worked in the same profession and Nawrocki himself was born not long after Nikoś and his wife divorced because of infidelity. In addition Batyr, in his book, seems to clearly sympathize with Nikoś. I feel terrible passing unconfirmed gossip on like a market woman, but hmmmmm

What's far more relevant is that 90 percent of people in jails and similar voted for Trashkowski.

PO: truly the party of the mafia and criminal underworld.

Not really lol The voters in prisons are just a few thousand people, while millions of Poles voted in those elections.


Don't be a moron. As I wrote - inmates are just a small fraction of voters.

Trzaskowski won in cities and among people with higher education. Nawrocki won among people with lower education and in the countryside. From what I remember he got over 70% of votes among people with the lowest education (wykształcenie podstawowe). So, you could say that PiS is a party of uneducated and easily manipulated country bumpkins.