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Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland


Bobko  28 | 2354
1 day ago   #301
Then Poland will reap enormous prestige from it.

No.

Orban explained well, why Ukraine in the EU is bad for Hungary.

It will absorb all the money, that would otherwise be going to you. It will make you poorer and less significant.

Ukraine has a demographic and industrial weight which Hungary and Poland do not possess. It would crush your agricultural, coal, and steelmaking industries. It would suppress the salaries of your people - because they are willing to work for less.

That's Ukraine.

Now imagine if Russia joins the EU? Nobody would ever remember about Poland again in Brussels? Even France and Germany would be competing to stay relevant. Russia, like Alexander I after the Napoleonic Wars, would seek to impose a dictate on how all of Europe should live. Russia's arguments would be infinite energy and the military power to ignore China and America.

For a Poland, that is climbing the ladder of the EU hierarchy, letting in a Russian monsters into the arena would not be good.
Paulina  19 | 4617
1 day ago   #302
But you played it too soon, Paulina. Save if for when Poland really needs a miracle.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I gave it as an example of that "Polish superpower" at work.

It is in this case because nobody gives a flying F.

Well, you and Ptak clearly don't give a flying F about telling the truth, that I know already.

Your meltdowns are of a little girl stomping her feet, screaming and crying

I'm not stomping my feet, screaming or crying. I called you out on your bullsh1t for which Ptak attacked me and he keeps attacking me (I guess he has nothing better to do in life). And now you joined in.

He is just "busting your chops", Paulina.

How do you know that? I asked him about that and he hasn't answered my question so far.
Torq  13 | 1331
1 day ago   #303
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

As usual.

that "Polish superpower" at work

Can we exchange it for some nukes? Or at least a couple of million of small military drones?
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2163
1 day ago   #304
letting in a Russian monsters into the arena

Russia is in the arena, wether it is visible in a Brussels office, battlefield or internet. It's too large to be ignored, unless somebody is naive.

But, is it truly naive and too idealistic for me that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine can shape Europe for the better? Is it about reality? Perception? Looks of self worth or lack of trust in the future?

No serious politician in 1989 would think Poland, more so every Pole himself that Poland would be clean, have motorways of European standards and not have to be ashamed to be called Polish.

Poland moved and moves forward, so can Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. If they want to
Paulina  19 | 4617
1 day ago   #305
As usual.

Not really.

Can we exchange it for some nukes?

I'm sure some nice country would be more willing to lend us some if we keep that moral superiority :)

And, btw, having nukes and an army of drones doesn't exclude having moral superiority.
Bobko  28 | 2354
1 day ago   #306
But, is it truly naive and too idealistic for me that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine can shape Europe for the better?

Russia sees the WORLD as its playground, and it feels that Europe is its home turf.

It is supremely offensive to Russia's sense of self, that Americans or Chinese can dictate how life develops on the Continent - all the while ignoring Russia.

I don't know about better or worse - but Russia will certainly try to remake the EU to more closely correspond with its own vision.

The Russian view on the EU is as an enormous force multiplier. Something that... if we gained access to - would ensure that our voice and our will are felt in every single corner of the globe. Already we are strong, but with the EU we would be invulnerable.
Bobko  28 | 2354
1 day ago   #307
Thinking about it now...

Probably the first thing Russia would do is attempt to strengthen Brussels. To silence the rest.

It would push strongly for centralization. It would want all power to be handed over to Brussels.

The idea being that we control Brussels.

European centralization is only good if we are in charge. Otherwise, we will oppose it and do everything to prevent it from happening. God knows we have fertile ground to work with.

Largely following the British approach. Either we lead this thing, or we will try to destroy it.
Torq  13 | 1331
1 day ago   #308
Already we are strong, but with the EU we would be invulnerable.

You already had the EU. Before the war EU's core, with Germany at the forefront, was eating out of your hand. All you had to do was calm Poland's fears and somehow include her (i.e. Central Europe) in your plans, and the alliance of sorts was quite possible. However, and perhaps to some extent understandably, Russia never treated Poland as a serious player. You saw us in a similar way as we saw Samo... erm, Lithuania, and that fueled firstly a moderate Russophobia and secondly a distrust of Germany (Nord Stream, talking to Russia over our heads). The war helped Americans to push Russia out of Europe in both economic and political terms and I can't see how this might realistically change in the foreseeable future.

So, all things considered, Putin - as brilliant, psychopathic and honourable as he is - made a mistake with his Ukrainian affair. A terrible mistake.

It would push strongly for centralization. It would want all power to be handed over to Brussels.

But you support AfD, Le Pen and Orban - forces that actively oppose centralization of the EU. 5D chess?

Otherwise, we will oppose it and do everything to prevent it from happening.

Right. I should have read it until the end before responding. :)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12221
1 day ago   #309
Either we lead this thing, or we will try to destroy it.

The old european problem! Brits, Frenchies and Krauts don't begrudge each other the green on the apple!

A russian insert would be a game change (which doesn't have to be that bad in german eyes actually, heh:)
Ironside  51 | 13281
1 day ago   #310
I'm sure some nice country would be more willing to lend us some if we keep that moral superiority

I think you believe it. geez!
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the EU?

I think about the EU in the threat category. It is the German EU and it would take a lot to change it and mend its ways. As you say, we don't need Ukraine in the EU.
Also, as I said /Poland needs to work closely with Scandinavia, and other smaller countries of the region. However, Belarus and Ukraine are contested territories ( I don't mean incorporation but a zone of interest); after all, Russia is not satisfied with what it has. So there is no point in not trying to change the status quo of those states.
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You're a facist then.

If you don't want to be called stupid don't post such openly stupid opinions.
Bobko  28 | 2354
1 day ago   #311
A russian insert would be a game change

History shows that when Russia becomes involved - even such titans as Germany become "satellites", "puppets" etc.

Britain was a historic problem, because of its familial relationship with America. However, Britain has thankfully deleted itself out of the equation through epically stupid Brexit. Making our job supremely easier to accomplish.

The Germans are afraid of their own shadow.

The French are a shadow of what they imagine themselves to be.

The Italians are just happy to trade as good Gypsies.

Spain? Where is that?
Torq  13 | 1331
1 day ago   #312
which doesn't have to be that bad in german eyes actually, heh:)

Of course it is not bad in German eyes. For Poles however, Germans and Russians getting cozy over our heads is not only wind in the eyes but also rupture in the hearts and pain in the butts. Keep that in mind, bitte.
Ironside  51 | 13281
1 day ago   #313
Russia never treated Poland as a serious player.

Given that our politicians are, to a large extent clueless about geopolitical issues, so policies they formulate are lame like a lame duck.
I'm not surprised that nobody takes us seriously.
Before the war EU's core, with Germany at the forefront, was eating out of your hand

Was eating out.

made a mistake with his Ukrainian affair. A terrible mistak

Don't be delusional about our standing there.
From the Russian point of view, his only mistake was underestimating the Ukrainian will to fight and losing the first stage of the war.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12221
1 day ago   #314
Keep that in mind, bitte.

Okaaayyyy....will do!

*sighs*
Paulina  19 | 4617
23 hrs ago   #315
but Russia will certainly try to remake the EU to more closely correspond with its own vision.

That's scary.

If you don't want to be called stupid don't post such openly stupid opinions.

Ah, sorry, yes, I meant fascist. Better now? :)
What's stupid about my opinion though? Those are your views to a tee, aren't they?:

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement. It is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition"

Btw, today there was a Mermaid Parade in Warsaw and apparently some right-wing/nationalist morons had a problem even with that. I guess they got triggered by the word "parade" lol 😂🤦 For those who don't know - a mermaid is a symbol of Warsaw represented on the city's coat of arms. 🙄

mermaidparade

mermaid

syrenacar
Miloslaw  24 | 5554
19 hrs ago   #316
What we do know is that your grandson looks more like a Muzzie than he does a Pollak

HaHaHaHa!!! ignorance is bliss..... I have three grandsons and they ALL look Polish!
Unlike any of your children or grandchildren...... or did you fail to produce?
PolAmKrakow  2 | 956
12 hrs ago   #317
Meanwhile, back on topic of the new President....He is publicly saying he is against Ukraine joining the EU. As more governments turn against the EU commission, and the idea's forced on EU members like immigration policies, Ukraine will have a very difficult time getting into the EU. He is also saying he will support Polish farmers and other groups in Poland over Ukraine interests, yet he still supports Ukraine defending itself. While the guy may be an idiot to some degree, he is making some pretty fair and balanced centrist statements.
Korvinus  3 | 647
6 hrs ago   #318
It is supremely offensive to Russia's sense of self, that Americans or Chinese can dictate

Yeah, I'm sure sovereign Russia will change its geopolitical alignement and stop sucking Chinese greasy cock.

Any day now...
jon357  72 | 24256
1 hr ago   #319
sucking Chinese greasy cock

China owns them, and is just sitting pretty and watching everything in r*SSian and the US unfold to their advantage.
Ironside  51 | 13281
53 mins ago   #320
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement. It is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition"

Fascism is a right-wing ideology of the left, you have communism, socialism, and fascism. Those who refuse to recognize Marxism, progressivism, and all kinds of left nonsense have nothing to do with fascism. Only left-wing losers persist in that terminology, calling all those who disagree with them fascists. Just keep it where it is in your left patalogical family.
Even if that wasn't the case, that description is describing Tusk and other totlitarians, doesn't reflect me and my values..


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